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Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2012.07.29 17:54:00 -
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Benjamin Hellios wrote:des polo wrote:Templar Two wrote:I have a question: what makes you think guys that Dust 54 2ill become a completely different game without any of the issues we have now? Dude look at eve the Very first build looks nothing like its current one, so chances are Dust will be the same. That's true, this game is gonna be HUGE...10 years from now.
you joke, but yeah it will still be around by then probs, unlike your fav BF or COD which cant last more than a few months
edit: and i should watch my tone, i have nothing against those games, i love em and play em too |
Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.07.29 17:59:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Benjamin Hellios wrote:des polo wrote:Templar Two wrote:I have a question: what makes you think guys that Dust 54 2ill become a completely different game without any of the issues we have now? Dude look at eve the Very first build looks nothing like its current one, so chances are Dust will be the same. That's true, this game is gonna be HUGE...10 years from now. you joke, but yeah it will still be around by then probs, unlike your fav BF or COD which cant last more than a few months edit: and i should watch my tone, i have nothing against those games, i love em and play em too
I do the last ones I enjoyed were the first MW and BC2, after that it all started blending together somehow. But it's true, I joke, I'm actually looking forward to this game but like others I have an ungrounded worry that's it's not gonna get better, I don't know where that comes from. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.07.29 18:01:00 -
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There shouldnt be so much worry unless sony decides they pull the plug, then again I think its sony's fault for not showcasing dust 514 at the e3 last year.
CCP is probably going to stubbornly keep this game alive. |
Templar Two
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
459
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Posted - 2012.07.29 18:07:00 -
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Dust 514 is not Sony, it's a PS3 exclusive like Final Fantasy XIV but it's not a Sony developed game like Uncharted or God of War. CCP is both the developer and the publisher. Sony has no control whatsoever on Dust 514 beside patches and PSN integration. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.07.29 18:07:00 -
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Sony doesnt have control over patches
They dont have to go through Q&A
Its all CCP control |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2012.07.29 18:12:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:'Yes BF3 does have a shitload of problems, but despite that at least the gameplay overall is SOLID and performs well, both on an infantry and vehicle aspect.'
How is BF3 solid gameplay its a twitch shooter with every gun having a stupid amount of recoil and patches which add recoil when you add a foregrip
Also vehicles suck since they are made out of paper and are useless after 1 hit by an RPG
dont forget u can destroy a tank faster with a repair tool than 2 ppl reppin it can fix it LOL |
Hehaw Jimbo
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
46
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Posted - 2012.07.29 18:16:00 -
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Honestly, this game has a lot of problems (potential too, but I'm getting less and less optimistic that it will come close to being realized), and the "ITS BETA!" excuse really can't be held onto. The game was already supposed to be out (was announced for spring/summer 2012) , and it plays like an alpha build.
The gunplay is sloppy, newbs/people that don't have time to farm a lot get hardcore stomped due to how much better higher level gear/skills are, vehicle spam is extremely dull. On top of that, most of the promised features (like, any link with EVE whatsoever) is totally non-existent at this point in time, and we STILL don't even have concrete details on how the link is going to work/what it is going to affect. All we have are still vague promises, almost like they don't know how they're going to handle it still.
For a game that should have been out already, this game needs WAY too much work, and with the tame changes between builds so far, I really don't think it is going to happen. I hope they surprise me, but the people still hiding behind "ITS A BETA" are likely going to be in for some serious disappointment at launch. CCP already takes forever to fix the most basic of things in their other game (EVE), with iterations on broken mechanics often taking YEARS to be semi-fixed, and a lot of times they're just bandaids. I'm sorry, but expecting them to pull a complete 180 on this game that's already been in development for years and should be out soon doesn't seem very realistic.
They aren't really comparable, though. EVE has had effectively no competition for what it does (space-based sandbox MMO), is on the PC, and has been funded by a monthly subscription. I have played EVE since the beginning and still do, but I honestly believe if they had any real competition for the first few years, the game never would have survived CCP's long long iteration procress and horrible bugs (google eve boot.ini issue for some lawls).
Dust, on the other hand, is on a single console only (arguably the least popular one), has a crazy amount of competition (esp an unnamed upcoming true MMOFPS sequel...), and its only funding is banking on the game being good enough for people to keep it alive through microtransactions. After the EVE Incarna fiasco that caused tons of layoffs and put World of Darkness on the back burner, I don't think CCP can afford to have the game flop and still keep it alive for years before it gets good, because they have tons of competition that EVE did not. |
Ad ski
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
209
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Posted - 2012.07.29 18:17:00 -
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I actually like this game lol. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
808
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Posted - 2012.07.29 18:18:00 -
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yeah dude, CCP makes so much money from EVE they dont need to worry about the success of Dust....which will be successful.
One of the biggest complaints from people coming from other shooters is that the game *SHOCKING* isnt like COD or BF, so therefore theres no way it can be successful, therefore it will flop unless they nerf this that and do this....
CCP does things their way and have been successful at it for YEARS. Dust is going to be so tied into EVE that it CANT flop.
Also, about Dust being different....DUH. CCP doesnt do balance, they do perfect imbalace. While skillz in game are nice, money makes the EVE universe go round.
You come at me with your crazy gun game and ill fall on the ground laughing as some corp throws so much money at you you cant wipe your ass. Im talking orital strikes on you by your own employer just cause they think its funny |
Hehaw Jimbo
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
46
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Posted - 2012.07.29 18:31:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:y CCP does things their way and have been successful at it for YEARS. Dust is going to be so tied into EVE that it CANT flop.
We don't know that. They've been very careful to not give solid details on the links of DUST and EVE, but they have said in the past that they are designing it so that if one fails, the other will not automatically fail. If this is the case, I have a feeling the "eve-dust link" is going to be more of a gimmick than anything. From what they've said it looks like it will involve Eve's PI (Planetary Interaction) which...wasn't exactly a huge success when it was introduced in EVE. Most people I know completely ignore PI as is because it is a boring clickfest that is of questionable worth unless you do it in null, and have a logistics chain that makes getting the product to market actually worthwhile. |
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Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
256
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Posted - 2012.07.29 18:31:00 -
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During the last build I was really worried about the future of Dust. The shooting mechanics were absolute garbage. If you don't think the current build is a marked improvement over the last, then you're full of sh*t. CCP appears to at least improve gun mechanics with each iteration. I'm pretty sure we're just seeing the bare minimum. The flavor details and fluff we're accustomed to in other shooters isn't present.
Look at the Dust 514 keynote. The AR actually sounds pretty good in that video and the shooting looks a little more crisp than what we're seeing now. There was even friendly fire. I just wish we could see what CCP is currently working on so we could gauge a better feel for how the game is improving.
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KingBlade82
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2012.07.29 18:34:00 -
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im so lost whats so bad about gameplay ik everything i thought was wrong they promised to fix in next build i love the game idk why all of u complain about stuff and dont mention what u think is wrong and all this 180 talk confuses me cause the games not even close to bad enough to ever consider that and i own MW3 and BF3 and played plenty more shooters on the ps3 my trophy rank is lvl 20 and most come from shooters so ive had plenty of experience with judging gameplay and such |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
256
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Posted - 2012.07.29 18:40:00 -
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KingBlade82 wrote:im so lost whats so bad about gameplay ik everything i thought was wrong they promised to fix in next build i love the game idk why all of u complain about stuff and dont mention what u think is wrong and all this 180 talk confuses me cause the games not even close to bad enough to ever consider that and i own MW3 and BF3 and played plenty more shooters on the ps3 my trophy rank is lvl 20 and most come from shooters so ive had plenty of experience with judging gameplay and such
Hit detection still needs work. The game still feels "clunky" and some actions feel sluggish or non-responsive. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.07.29 18:42:00 -
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Hehaw Jimbo wrote: They aren't really comparable, though. EVE has had effectively no competition for what it does (space-based sandbox MMO), is on the PC, and has been funded by a monthly subscription. I have played EVE since the beginning and still do, but I honestly believe if they had any real competition for the first few years, the game never would have survived CCP's long long iteration procress and horrible bugs (google eve boot.ini issue for some lawls).
There been few of them all of which have died out since then. Most recent of which was Star Trek Online. Heck even The Old Republic Bolstered Eve's numbers oddly. There was another space based game Jumpgate which its prequel that came out near the same time has on average 25 people playing on its server its sequel however is seemingly a no show so far
Games like vendetta online are almost no shows nobody i talked seems to hear of it. Earth and Beyond another title was made by the ever so missed westwood studios and the plug was uncermoniously pulled when ea bought them out.
I havent heard any news of Black Prophetcy, Infiite space and scores of others competing against eve yet. There is also rumor EA is making thier own Sci Fi mmo to directly compete against eve and offering 'presistent' progression where they take your eve character data and use it turn you into instant veteran. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.07.29 18:43:00 -
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Vicx V wrote:I was SO excited about this for months, I thought it would combine MAG and Battlefield into one epic game, best of all it would be free so there'd never be a lack of players.. but after a few hours of really trying to like this game, it fails miserably. I LOVE the depth of the dropsuit customization system, the market place and all the other details that allow you to customize your character to your needs, the MMO influence from Eve Online really shows in this regard.. but at the end of the day it's the gameplay that completely and utterly ******* SUCKS! It feels like an extremely budget version of MAG and Section 8 Prejudice combined, except it feels even MORE cheap and budget (in fact I feel like getting back into both of those games right now) The incredibly BLAND graphics, the lag, the multitude of weapons that all end up being small variations of eachother and all look and feel pretty much the same with minor RoF and damage attributes.. I could go on, but my point is, regardless of all the attention to detail in the customization, the game itself just simply licks the sweat off a dead donkey's dry salty ballsack.
It's no wonder they're charging $20 for the Mercenary Pack, because that's the most money they'll be able to extract from people who've yet to play the game. A majority of people will end up disgusted and only a small minority, even smaller than the niche gamers in MAG and S8P will stick with this game simply due to it being a free game and possibly out of pure boredom. Once the final product releases on PSN, people will download, try it out and most will never touch it again. That's the single biggest reason they released the Mercenary pack, to milk all the eager and optimistic and people who like me, think this game has huge potential.
Unless the gameplay is seriously overhalled FROM SCRATCH, this game will fail within months of release. The ONLY thing that'll keep this game alive in the long term is the fact that it's free, which will entice the players with the absolute lowest of standards and that market alone.
I sincerely wanted this game to conquer and succeed, but the fact is the gameplay just ain't fun.. although it has the scope and potential to be, it SO does! that's why I'm so genuinely disappointed.
So from me, goodbye and good riddance. Oh look, another impatient imbecile. |
xprotoman23
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1452
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Posted - 2012.07.29 18:44:00 -
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Vicx V wrote:I was SO excited about this for months, I thought it would combine MAG and Battlefield into one epic game, best of all it would be free so there'd never be a lack of players.. but after a few hours of really trying to like this game, it fails miserably. I LOVE the depth of the dropsuit customization system, the market place and all the other details that allow you to customize your character to your needs, the MMO influence from Eve Online really shows in this regard.. but at the end of the day it's the gameplay that completely and utterly ******* SUCKS! It feels like an extremely budget version of MAG and Section 8 Prejudice combined, except it feels even MORE cheap and budget (in fact I feel like getting back into both of those games right now) The incredibly BLAND graphics, the lag, the multitude of weapons that all end up being small variations of eachother and all look and feel pretty much the same with minor RoF and damage attributes.. I could go on, but my point is, regardless of all the attention to detail in the customization, the game itself just simply licks the sweat off a dead donkey's dry salty ballsack.
It's no wonder they're charging $20 for the Mercenary Pack, because that's the most money they'll be able to extract from people who've yet to play the game. A majority of people will end up disgusted and only a small minority, even smaller than the niche gamers in MAG and S8P will stick with this game simply due to it being a free game and possibly out of pure boredom. Once the final product releases on PSN, people will download, try it out and most will never touch it again. That's the single biggest reason they released the Mercenary pack, to milk all the eager and optimistic and people who like me, think this game has huge potential.
Unless the gameplay is seriously overhalled FROM SCRATCH, this game will fail within months of release. The ONLY thing that'll keep this game alive in the long term is the fact that it's free, which will entice the players with the absolute lowest of standards and that market alone.
I sincerely wanted this game to conquer and succeed, but the fact is the gameplay just ain't fun.. although it has the scope and potential to be, it SO does! that's why I'm so genuinely disappointed.
So from me, goodbye and good riddance.
Thanks for your opinion OP I appreciate it.
lol at the fanboys.
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Ima Leet
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
321
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Posted - 2012.07.29 18:45:00 -
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butthurt much? couldn't kill anyone? your KDR is -4?
this is a beta not the game. this beta does have a long way to go before being a game. so instead of QQ, post more about what you dont like and how you think it should be. the devs do read these forums |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
549
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Posted - 2012.07.29 18:48:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:Graphics make a game good? lolno look at BF3 and that pile of shite which is constantly getting patched and made worse where its a twitch shooter to the max and everything else is made of paper
Also BETA WIP moron
+1 |
Templar Two
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
459
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Posted - 2012.07.29 18:48:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:Sony doesnt have control over patches
They dont have to go through Q&A
Its all CCP control
Wrong. Sony still have to give CCP certification. Confirmed by Eurogamer.
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
259
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Posted - 2012.07.29 18:49:00 -
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At the end of the day, you can't please everyone, and someone will dislike something.
Not sure why so many people are arguing. A surprising amount of time is spent on these forums from certain people, I'd much rather play something else then post so much on why the color orange is worse then purple. |
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TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
549
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Posted - 2012.07.29 18:53:00 -
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op do you mean to say dud hand grenades the infamous hitbox and no sqaud support yet is not good?
free likes for every....
ah nvm.. |
pjster long
Doomheim
28
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Posted - 2012.07.29 18:55:00 -
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Vicx V wrote: YES! 'clap clap clap' yourselves for reacting emotionally like butthurt fanboys and ignoring my point, instead jumping straight to the "but it's still in testing derp!" response.
Even BEFORE you get to the beta testing stage, the seriously terrible gameplay would've been ringing alarm bells in ANYONE who had any decent experience with FPSs in the alpha stage. I know what beta is, and by the beta stage they know exactly what they're doing, so to see such terrible gameplay mechanics at this stage of development either means they either have no faith in their product or they'll just slaving away to break into the FPS market to supplement their EVE universe. It honestly makes no sense how it can be this bad at this later stage of development.
Just an FYI, even after the game is released, they will always update it with new builds and patches from now to eternity. Just like eve online, except the biggest difference is not only is it not subscription based IT IS FREE TO PLAY!!!! I understand that you are here to help make this a better game but you can try pitching some ideas or something to help. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.07.29 18:55:00 -
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Templar Two wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:Sony doesnt have control over patches
They dont have to go through Q&A
Its all CCP control Wrong. Sony still have to give CCP certification. Confirmed by Eurogamer.
Ye id rarther take the word of ccp rarther than a mag tbh |
KingBlade82
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2012.07.29 19:26:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:im so lost whats so bad about gameplay ik everything i thought was wrong they promised to fix in next build i love the game idk why all of u complain about stuff and dont mention what u think is wrong and all this 180 talk confuses me cause the games not even close to bad enough to ever consider that and i own MW3 and BF3 and played plenty more shooters on the ps3 my trophy rank is lvl 20 and most come from shooters so ive had plenty of experience with judging gameplay and such Hit detection still needs work. The game still feels "clunky" and some actions feel sluggish or non-responsive.
can u explain deeper more specific examples
ik a few examples of things i dont like r the knives feel awful but im used to either them moving slow but one hit killing or fast so u can spam them but i really dont want a one hit kill knife unless its a melee weapon that specifically is used to destroy people like a giant hammer or sword or axe etc.
and crouching seems slow and un-crouching
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TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
549
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Posted - 2012.07.29 19:29:00 -
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Vicx V wrote:
But WHY settle for mediocrity? WHY settle for the lowest end of the market when you have a game with SO MUCH potential to rival even paid-for games like BF3 and MW3.. why sell your product short with all this potential?
Because it's not worth getting worked up over.. they're gonna make a game and we're either gonna play it or not. it wont be perfect. most likely like all games it will fall short of it's hype.
a lot of us have already expressed the same concerns but have become tired of wondering if we're even being heard or not. many here just don't want to put up with a bunch of forum drama over sht we don't even know if we can change.
do i foresee dud grenades upon release? yes. will i still play the game? probably. not because my standards are lowered but because theyr aint sht else to play. and dont tell me some crap like BF3 or COD is a good game. I dont care how good the graphics are those are noob games that attract noobs.
i no longer care about the (s)hitbox, i no longer care about the stupid aim assist that should be a toggle which is a flagrant insult to anyone who's been already playing FPS without a fgt aim assist and a broken one at that..
instead of ranting more about the hitbox I dropped my Creo, picked up a Duvolle, skilled up an Eryx, and started kickng fkn ass despite the bad hitbox, despite the RE, now i have the advantage over many because i've learned to kill despite the flaws.
you on the other hand sound like you played 1 or 2 matches to come to your conlcusions, which bear merrit but could have been said in a less ranty way setting the negative tone for the whole thread
does the game/beta suck? kinda. but it doesnt suck bad enough for me to want to go back playing BF3, and that says a fkn lot..
I've had my crusade ranting in other game forums and have learned it's not really worth the effort whether it's constructive or a rant the game has it's own destiny despite the pre puppet show aka beta testing.. you either like it or not,
you're kinda the noob for having rose colored glasses before playing the beta- you should kno by now that all games get overhyped or perhaps you're new to gaming.. |
Boss Dirge
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2012.07.29 19:34:00 -
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Entruv wrote:I did not read all the comments but it's a ******* beta bro chill out. Those are the last things to be implemented.
Oh ya thanks for leaving.
Ever notice they never actually leave? They just complain like two year olds all day and keep coming back. If they actually left they might actually prove their point. |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
256
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Posted - 2012.07.29 19:39:00 -
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KingBlade82 wrote:Abron Garr wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:im so lost whats so bad about gameplay ik everything i thought was wrong they promised to fix in next build i love the game idk why all of u complain about stuff and dont mention what u think is wrong and all this 180 talk confuses me cause the games not even close to bad enough to ever consider that and i own MW3 and BF3 and played plenty more shooters on the ps3 my trophy rank is lvl 20 and most come from shooters so ive had plenty of experience with judging gameplay and such Hit detection still needs work. The game still feels "clunky" and some actions feel sluggish or non-responsive. can u explain deeper more specific examples ik a few examples of things i dont like r the knives feel awful but im used to either them moving slow but one hit killing or fast so u can spam them but i really dont want a one hit kill knife unless its a melee weapon that specifically is used to destroy people like a giant hammer or sword or axe etc. and crouching seems slow and un-crouching
Sometimes you'll unload a clip into someone and see their shields flashing but they take little or no damage. The reload mechanics need work. Knifing is clunky. Crouch and sprint mechanics need looking into. Weapon switching, tool switching is problematic. Some times you have to press L1 multiple times to get REs to go off. Grenades just not firing. The grenade throw arc is WAY TOO HIGH. Grenade physics are weird. Draw distance is pitiful. Running a tank into a light post damages the tank . Terrain is unrefined and certain areas around hills will cause the player to get stuck. Too easy to get stuck on corners and stairs. Spawn locations are bugged. Numerous quality of life improvements needed. These are just a few issues off the top of my head. Voice comms are bugged. Numerous issues with voice comms tbh. |
boiglios bacon
CAS 514
6
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Posted - 2012.07.29 19:40:00 -
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Vicx V wrote:Gelan Corbaine wrote: /facepalm Seriously what do you people think the whole point of testing is ?!!!!! [quote=Garrett Blacknova]You're right! Seriously, stop taking this offensively, listen objectively, I'm trying to make a valid point that if taken seriously might improve the game. I'm not here to hurl random insults and mindless abuse, I do not troll.
Actually..not taking it seriously...but you are since your the one who is ranting about - in your opinion only, how bad it is. And that is the point, it's only your opinion. The reason you can't understand why anyone would like this is because you don't play Eve...so in the end, you just don't get it, because you don't play Eve, or if you do, don't like Eve...but eve is a very different type of game and how it will mesh with dust...makes playing dust very engaging; but if your only a fps guy...you just won't get it. So it's not about being a "fanboy", it's about being able to see and envision how the two go together....which from my experience is superior to any other fps game out there....I guarantee you if I played your favorite fps, I would find it very bland and boring, why?....well cause it's just fps...yawn. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.07.29 19:42:00 -
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Add module activation on vehicles to that list
none the less I am going to wait until august patch before I slap down another 101 things that annoy me in dust 514. |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
256
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Posted - 2012.07.29 19:50:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Add module activation on vehicles to that list
none the less I am going to wait until august patch before I slap down another 101 things that annoy me in dust 514.
There really needs to be a thread of known issues and complaints that is updated often and stickied at the top of both GPD and Bug/TS sub forums. No offense to the CR staff here at CCP, but trying to wade through all the posts of the last few days just to find your issue is annoying, even with the search button. It would also probably alleviate some of the nerd rage if people knew the CCP devs were aware of even the most trivial problems. |
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