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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2012.07.29 15:52:00 -
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Look at all these spoiled brats that think that beta=early demo/balance stage.
First off this is CCP, its not a real beta, its an alpha. Beta starts on launch day (no seriously it does with the way ccp does things)
Secondly Dust 514 will never stop improving even after launch so even if its not perfect gun play you can still expect improvments.
Bottom line we're only about 5% of possible launch features online, August release is probably going to turn alot of things on that just bug the hell out of the game. Right now it seems they're focusin on foundationing making sure things work and turning more stuff on and getting background server magic to work as well. |
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Posted - 2012.07.29 17:12:00 -
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They need to make a new term for fake betas. Delta Builds! Where its more of a demo than a beta. |
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Posted - 2012.07.29 17:42:00 -
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Case in point http://cdn1.eveonline.com/EVEHistory/2000.06_Orion.jpg eve's first build.
Eve's current build http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kED11aGobUk |
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Posted - 2012.07.29 18:01:00 -
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There shouldnt be so much worry unless sony decides they pull the plug, then again I think its sony's fault for not showcasing dust 514 at the e3 last year.
CCP is probably going to stubbornly keep this game alive. |
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Posted - 2012.07.29 18:42:00 -
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Hehaw Jimbo wrote:
They aren't really comparable, though. EVE has had effectively no competition for what it does (space-based sandbox MMO), is on the PC, and has been funded by a monthly subscription. I have played EVE since the beginning and still do, but I honestly believe if they had any real competition for the first few years, the game never would have survived CCP's long long iteration procress and horrible bugs (google eve boot.ini issue for some lawls).
There been few of them all of which have died out since then. Most recent of which was Star Trek Online. Heck even The Old Republic Bolstered Eve's numbers oddly. There was another space based game Jumpgate which its prequel that came out near the same time has on average 25 people playing on its server its sequel however is seemingly a no show so far
Games like vendetta online are almost no shows nobody i talked seems to hear of it. Earth and Beyond another title was made by the ever so missed westwood studios and the plug was uncermoniously pulled when ea bought them out.
I havent heard any news of Black Prophetcy, Infiite space and scores of others competing against eve yet. There is also rumor EA is making thier own Sci Fi mmo to directly compete against eve and offering 'presistent' progression where they take your eve character data and use it turn you into instant veteran. |
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Posted - 2012.07.29 19:42:00 -
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Add module activation on vehicles to that list
none the less I am going to wait until august patch before I slap down another 101 things that annoy me in dust 514. |
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Posted - 2012.07.29 19:53:00 -
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Major Assitch wrote:Agree with op! This is pretty terrible even for a work in progress beta. No amount of polish can fix this disaster by release. Sorry to upset u fanboys but this is just awful...beta or not.
CCP doesnt use polish, they use jackhammers. You should have seen the amount of rage that happened when they redid the inventory system in eve and basically said, sorry we cant go back now. Also the amount of rage of people who where dropped from support for a video card that was about 12 years old. I felt sorry for the 1% of players with DX8 Cards with shadermodel 1. Then a year later Shader model 2 folks where dropped like a rock.
I can only imagine the amount of rage when CCP annouces they're going to stop support fo the PS3 and move onto the PS4 |
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Posted - 2012.07.29 19:57:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:Abron Garr wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Add module activation on vehicles to that list
none the less I am going to wait until august patch before I slap down another 101 things that annoy me in dust 514. There really needs to be a thread of known issues and complaints that is updated often and stickied at the top of both GPD and Bug/TS sub forums. No offense to the CR staff here at CCP, but trying to wade through all the posts of the last few days just to find your issue is annoying, even with the search button. It would also probably alleviate some of the nerd rage if people knew the CCP devs were aware of even the most trivial problems. Agreed. CCP does need to afford the time to upload some form of documentation. Many of us have stated as such before.
I think ccp is a bit more busy getting the game up and going, I mean seriously if you look at 'dev' posts between eve and dust 514, you see more GMs posting here answering questions about game development than the devs are posting. I wonder how they're indrontinating ex-Dice people at CCP to listen to players and possibly talk to them?
BTW Eve online getting software updated on august 8th it wouldnt surprise me if dust 514 does it the same day while everyone is upped up on energy drinks in prepration for patchday gone wrong. |
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:01:00 -
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Major Assitch wrote:Oh, and...graphics has nothing to do with it. U just cant fix bad gameplay.
Actually you can, it involves tearing apart the engine and peicing it back together, or just scrapping it and throwing a newer one in. CCP has gone that far before to the dismay of people with 15 year old lap tops that were once able to run eve.
Hell wouldnt surpsie me if one day they decide to drop unreal engine 3 and go with 4. |
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:03:00 -
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Gauder Berwyck wrote:Haters need to realise that this is a beta, and they have time to fix things.
Fanboys need to realise there is a HELLUVA lot to fix...
Oh I know there is alot of fix I have a nice list called 101 bullets in feedback, I havent updated it because, welll... I havent found any new nunances.
Wait scratch that i got a new one, brb going to bump it and link it. |
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:07:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=26144&find=unread here is my current list of complaints, I only expect a quater of these to be fixed mostly the more serious ones that are counter fun. |
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:07:00 -
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Major Assitch wrote:Fivetimes Infinity wrote:They have months left to work on the game. It's supposed to release "sometime 2012". You're high if you think the state of the game now is a clear indication of how it'll be at release. People always say this in betas but in my experience with betas (and its extensive), they are actually a pretty good indicator of the final product. The release is usually more polished and refined but basic gameplay is the same. Yet there are always people in beta forums spouting how the final will be so much better...they fool themselves.
Did you beta eve online? |
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:30:00 -
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Major Assitch wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Major Assitch wrote:Fivetimes Infinity wrote:They have months left to work on the game. It's supposed to release "sometime 2012". You're high if you think the state of the game now is a clear indication of how it'll be at release. People always say this in betas but in my experience with betas (and its extensive), they are actually a pretty good indicator of the final product. The release is usually more polished and refined but basic gameplay is the same. Yet there are always people in beta forums spouting how the final will be so much better...they fool themselves. Did you beta eve online? This isnt EVE online...its a PS3 fps. And its terrible! Maybe u EvE players are happy with boring...I prefer action and excitement in my shooters.
Yet eve online's beta wasnt like any other pc's betas either for an mmo. There was only 2 factions and like 90 star sytems. Hell there was a ship in it that like never made it in that I acutally liked (it looked like a sunfish) Heck Null sec didnt exit, tutorials didnt exist (well after launch) lots and lots of things in eve didnt exist back then, like battleships.
The thing is the beta from eve looks a hell lot like dust 514s in terms of progress, how things work, how updates are made, how feedback is treated and how the much of the game shaped by the testers. |
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:33:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:
Good eye on the EVE Online side. That would be neat to see if they happen to release both updates around or on the same date. However in terms of GM to DEV -- Usually they are both under the same roof. Just different departments. What needs to happen in this case is internal communication so that GM (General Managment) can cordinate, talk, and respond to us. Communication is always an essential and intregal part, or form. We the players could use some communication. It would at the very least help relieve some stress within the community.
Honestly its not the first time eve online had longer than usual downtime because it was dust 514's fault. Its been happening a bit more lately. Current eve downtime averages about 15 minutes or less though daily so who knows.
As for the GMs I expect they're more of a support role still in this game just right now there isnt much of a community to watch over so they're being barrowed to help develop the game probably via tools feedback and are more involved than usual. I mean look at CCP Cmnd Wang even though hes community guy for dust 514 hes way over his head on being busy elsewhere. |
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:41:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:
Off topic, but was wondering if you happened to be a Stargate fan or a fan of another Sci-fi series? Loved the Alteran ships.
Enjoyed the following: Bablyon 5 first few seasons, Battlestar Galactia - TNS but season 3 was boring, Star Trek Next Gen, Voyager, Enterprise. Robotech/Macross, Macross +, Macross 2, Macross Zero, Macross Frontier, Adromeda, Martian Successor Nedesco, Slowly getting into Starblazers but its really dated and hard to appreciate. Bookwise only appreciated Honor Harrigton Series lately.
On that note Star Trek is a love/hate relationship : I applaud thier social interactions a bit, I boo thier military (or lack therfore of) mindedness.
I personally like the gallente myrmdon and hyperion designs. However Megathron holds a special 'omfg I am going to raep you' look to it.
I got hopes for dust, I just fear not everyone has the paitence to deal with ccp's pacing at times and thier odd knack for pushing back features to make room another feature made it in right.
I do see ccp focusing on at least getting the following down by launch as its thier crieteria
Hammering out gun play
Hammering out controls
Hammering out phsyics
Getting Factional Wafare Functional
Getting Social and Corproate Functional
From there they have a bare bones launch game and from there they can keep adding stuff in.
If i remember right caldari and amarr where the first two factions in eve online before the got the gallente and minmatar in from the beta era. By launch they had at least factional symetry something I dont see happening with dust 514 as they can get away with not everyone having a tank, dropsuit, or thier version of an assault rifle.
I do remember isk was printed out of thin air as much back then in new eden either and the first battleship ever destroyed in new eden can only afford to fit cruiser weapons on it. |
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:59:00 -
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its more like other people want to use the tv the ps3 is on. and that I ran out of isk to do collision testing wiht. |
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Posted - 2012.07.29 21:47:00 -
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TBH I think the eve online dust fans are much harsher on dust 514 than cod hateboys are. |
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Posted - 2012.07.29 21:51:00 -
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Who like Sonic the Hedghog? |
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Posted - 2012.07.29 21:52:00 -
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Mr Funless wrote:The EVE stuff is great. I love the customization to it. Making the perfect setup, having limited funds, potential to hookup with EVE, etc. The actual game play (you know, shooting stuff) should be much better for a game 3 years into development. It's going to be at least a year after release till it's in a really playable state.
At least dust 514 better caters to the instant action folks like myself.
As ccp put it in a way, the ability to experince new eden from a not so boring angle. |
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