my job in the battle is to carry around my team and make sure we dominate all capture points, i sweep for drop uplinks, and when i have a gunner i do not crush people and i let him get the kills. it is much faster getting +25 over n over then the occasional +50 and risk of losing ship. my dropship is getting more and more costly and i am fitting it better. you need to get with the program and start devising strategy.

my job in the battle is to carry around my team and make sure we dominate all capture points, i sweep for drop uplinks, and when i have a gunner i do not crush people and i let him get the kills. it is much faster getting +25 over n over then the occasional +50 and risk of losing ship. my dropship is getting more and more costly and i am fitting it better. you need to get with the program and start devising strategy.


every game i am in where people actually use my CRU on my dropship, we win. if i go lonewolf, which im not trying too! then we usually lose.


the game is fast paced, your first objective should be to destroy the defending teams turrets so you can have free reign on the skies.

defending team should take quick action when their turrets start getting attacked. these auto aim missle turrets are your ONLY defense against a spawn camping. if you lose them then you lose the game with me flying in the skies care free.

Perhaps, but on the other hand, there is supposed to be fair gameplay. Yes, perhaps I'm being a little naive, but games should always be balanced. If an AV trooper tries to take out a dropship with a few swarms, then the dropship just kills him (on top of shutting down a vital spawn point), it's highly unbalancing for the gameplay.

Edit: In light of the above post, it's not about one isolated incident (i.e. repairing a tank while it's taking damage) but a constant, reproducible effect. For example, if a spawn point was able to be shut down by one person, that makes it an essential tactic to have. Same with regards to the dropships on tall buildings.

In the end, those "tactics" are used time and time again. Another way of saying what I'm trying to say is that the disbanding of BoB was a highly situational thing. Yes, unfair, but HIGHLY situational. The equivalent of spawn camping in DUST would be a constant stream of asset appropriation by one alliance in EvE from another with no way of stopping it.

It's only scrubby players that can't get kills I agree if there isn't a pilot there should be no power to the weapons because the ship will be off

Not a glitch its some players learning to use their environment

Listen. This is warfare on a video scale. What my Cadre in the Army used to always tell me was this;

"If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. And if you get caught, you ain't trying hard enough."

Now before you get your panties in a twist, this same statement was coupled with a well know credo of he USMC:

"Survive, adapt, overcome."

Warfare has neve been fair. It is dirty, frustrating, and people die. In our case, just our clones. Don't get pissed off if some one has learned to use the sand box to their best advantage. If anything else this points out a potential weakness in the builds of he maps and maybe CCP will fix it. Have in the drop ship guns not work because there is no pilot is ridiculous.

I have done the shooting from up there, an dI have been killed by those from up there. If you have a problem with it, get your toys out and fix it. If you don't want to fix it, get out of the sand box. Don't sit there and just cry and whine about it.

THIS IS A BETA. It is not perfect yet. Hopefully soon.

These people that are so willing to think outside of the box should be those same people that you would want in your corp. If you don't want them, I ma sure the corp I ma in would be more than happy to recruit as many as you want to "deny" because they are "dishonorable."

Do yourself a favor and read Sun Tsu, Miyomoto Musashi, Yugeyo Munemori. They will all tell you the same thing. The war has already started and honor has left the building.

Learn to be creative in your approach to a battlefield. I know every time I play it is my goal not to die once. Just as it was my goal when I was in the Army on deployment.

So I say hurray to those that have based jumped out of the box like that. If you are interested, look up Seraphim Initiative at www.initiativegaming.org and come join a corp of like minded dodgers of death. Aplications are now being excepted.

You completely skipped over my post, didn't you? For the last time, stop comparing games to real life. Sun Tzu doesn't apply to a video game, which people play to have fun. Yes, war and life is unfair, but if you make a game inherently skewed to one side (in this case, the more experienced), newbies WILL stop playing. Honestly, how does no one see this? If newbies leave, then CCP lose customers, you lose players to play against, etc, etc.

Every game you see, ever, will try to be balanced. Let me quote a few famous MMOs which try to be balanced instead of telling their players to "adapt"; LoL, Dota, WoW, plus a lot of online shooters which have never, EVER told anyone to "adapt or die".

I really honestly cannot believe that I've had to repeat myself about that. How do people not get that videogames /= real life, and that for a game to thrive, it has to be fair...?

You completely skipped over my post, didn't you? For the last time, stop comparing games to real life. Sun Tzu doesn't apply to a video game, which people play to have fun. Yes, war and life is unfair, but if you make a game inherently skewed to one side (in this case, the more experienced), newbies WILL stop playing. Honestly, how does no one see this? If newbies leave, then CCP lose customers, you lose players to play against, etc, etc.

Every game you see, ever, will try to be balanced. Let me quote a few famous MMOs which try to be balanced instead of telling their players to "adapt"; LoL, Dota, WoW, plus a lot of online shooters which have never, EVER told anyone to "adapt or die".

I really honestly cannot believe that I've had to repeat myself about that. How do people not get that videogames /= real life, and that for a game to thrive, it has to be fair...?

You completely skipped over my post, didn't you? For the last time, stop comparing games to real life. Sun Tzu doesn't apply to a video game, which people play to have fun. Yes, war and life is unfair, but if you make a game inherently skewed to one side (in this case, the more experienced), newbies WILL stop playing. Honestly, how does no one see this? If newbies leave, then CCP lose customers, you lose players to play against, etc, etc.

Every game you see, ever, will try to be balanced. Let me quote a few famous MMOs which try to be balanced instead of telling their players to "adapt"; LoL, Dota, WoW, plus a lot of online shooters which have never, EVER told anyone to "adapt or die".

I really honestly cannot believe that I've had to repeat myself about that. How do people not get that videogames /= real life, and that for a game to thrive, it has to be fair...?

Honestly, things like people figuring out they could fly the dropships up to those towers and start shooting at people down below is what makes this game more fun. It's unpredictable and it's neat to see what people come up with and it makes the game more of a challenge.

Besides, it really isn't that hard to get the guys that are on top of the tower. You can kill them easily with a forge gun or even flying a dropship up there yourself. This whole dropship thing really isn't as big of a deal as you're making it out to be.

Listen, it is not the fact that this is a JUST a video game, and it is not real life. This game is attempting to evoke a more REALISTIC mentality and approach to gaming.

Have you ever played Eve? MF''s are ruthless and especially to noobs. Hence the reason you start off in high sec, but that isn't even a guarantee against getting podded. Those that are looking for this kind of experience will continue to play and develop a smaller and tighter knit community much like the parent that gave birth to it: Eve.

It seems that there have been a multitude of different people that have come up with ways of dealing with such problems. Some may ask why and how? Well it is because they pay attention to their surroundings. Next thing I will be hearing cries for is a kill cam. COME ON!

Again I bring in the RL comparison because it is the only one that seems appropriate enough to use. I didn't make the game, but I am sure as SH*T loving to play it. Even when I have those matches where I feel like i haven't made a dime, and only seem to keep getting my A*S handed to me.

There is nothing wrong with being naive in New Eden. It is just if you continue that mentality you will be filled with disappointment. Funny thing is, is that the disappointment stems from expectations and expectations stem from walking into situations assuming one thing and then another happens. And you know what my grandmother told me (I think I was about 7 or 8 when this happened) assumption is the mother of all F*ckups. Then should told me of the 7 P's of life.

Prior Proper Planning Prevents **** Poor Performance.

The sooner we all come to grips with the fact that this is not your daddy's horse we're riding here, but a whole other beast entirely, I think the happier and more engrossed group we will be.

I am more upset about how easy you can a sure victory get lost when you spawn two dropships and shot from the tower NO ONE EVEN TRYIES to shot them from above.

Are modern gamers really that simple?

its basically an exploit, you cant see them due to drawing distance unless you fly up by yourself but chances are that you get shot down before you manage to get there. you cant even see the missiles coming because they got shot from outside of your vision range.

I am more upset about how easy you can a sure victory get lost when you spawn two dropships and shot from the tower NO ONE EVEN TRYIES to shot them from above.

Are modern gamers really that simple?

No, it's the players that are so simple.

This is NOT EvE. In EvE, you have a choice of picking your battles. Wardecced by a corp with much higher SP? Hire a merc corp, bribe them, fight them, whatever. In DUST, you have NO chance of picking your fights.

whats the problem with this? I encountered this yesterday and i simply picked up my swarm launcher, locked on the not moving target 2 times and it was done. Does some 1 on this game even use a mic? Im not so long into this but the lack of communication is killing me. I think the real problem are overpowered tanks that doesnt even get destroye after i shot it 10 times with a swarm launcher.

Yeeeeep. The problem is not that dropships can get up there; it's that the draw distance is too short. End of discussion.

Oh, unless you guys want to keep going back and forth about the EVE thing. In that case, steady on.

Sry but this isnt any apologies you cant see fine but you can think.