while animations like those in Battlefield or even Section 8.

I suggest once again animation driven execution with knife: no quick animations, not instant kill as in Future Solider but animation in which we stab the enemy many times...more times in case of heavies.
Also in Killzone 3, which has animation driven melee, you can be killed while performing melee since you can't move: a very good trade off IMO.

"Knife dueling", for me at least, is frustrating, is awkward, is silly and it belongs to the past of FPS.
Now, melee in Dust 514 should be one hit kill, regardless of the armor, and that's because knife/melee is the ultimate resource for a FPS player: if you arrive at the point of using it then must be really worth it.
Starting a ballet with you enemy to get a 50cm kill (which is already the MAX EFFECTIVE RANGE established by CCP) it's ridiculously frustrating.
Anyone that has played FPS can also tell that you really can't knife around in Battlefield or Killzone so we won't see people running around knifing easy, especially with 5km maps
Also, fiction-wise, the Nova Knife, which will be standard donation for everyone, and has plasma on its edge so probably with that much heat around the blade it won't have problems to pierce through any Dropsuits, even the thickest.

You know? I'm so used to how Killzone 3 and Battlefield 3 work with tehi melee that I kinda expected my character to go all Rambo on the people I've tried using the knfie on.

When you think about it, Melee skills should work based on context. For example:

When attacking from behind (target is unaware):
- (Click R3 while aiming at the head) Grab the enemy from behind and cut their throats open if you have a knife.
- (Click R3 while aiming at the back) Hit the vertebrae with the knife to instant kill
- If you have no knife (is that even a possibility), you could hit them with a blunt object to cause some form of "stagger" status
- (Click and hold R3) Enable some form of hostage mode (the victim could opt for suicide or struggle out of it)

When attacking from the sides (target has partial awareness):
- (Click R3) Stagger the enemy.
- (Click and hold R3) Disarm the target's current weapon (drop it onto the ground until the owner can pick it back up again) and stagger him/her.

When attacking from the front (enemy's fully aware):
- (Click R3) uses the weapon to hit the enemy once
- (Click and hold R3) makes the knife your primary weapon (can use R1 to use it)

Yes, that last one implies that the knife should be counted as one of the available weapons in the inventory (Holding R2) and that you should be able to select it manually.


This is but a small idea of how to make melee combat more effective even if you may be bringing a knife to a gun fight.

I would rather not have the ability to run up to some guy in my super-speedy scout suit, then one hit kill him with a click of a button.
So no, dear god please do not add "finishers" into this game, it will be absolutly horrible.

I don't want knives to have finisher animations like other shooters. I don't want Dust to be like other shooters.

I said this 11 days ago but since so many of you like me think that animation driven melee would be better here's my contribution:



Also this:

If you could kill a person faster by shooting him than by knifing him, your knifing system needs some fixing.

If we keep the current melee system then inevitably melee will always mean "knife dueling/dancing" and frankly this in FPS is one of the most frustrating things ever.

OHK melee in FPS is a must have for his reason:

The whole point of finishers is to make the game more fun,Challenging and satisfying.

it is happening in most games now why shouldn't it happen Dust 514?

I think the reason you cant kill somebody with a knife with one hit is because you have to pay for classes and it would be a nuisance to keep dying in an expensive class because of that, but having said that, it is annoying that when you steathily find your way directly behind an enemy, I end up shooting him as thats the most effective way to kill him

This is the way of Dust 514.
victory is sweet but losing is bitter. you wouldn't die so much if you pay more attention to the mini-map.

I dont really see a point to it either. You cant really sneak up on someone unless they're complety oblivious to the mini map and once someone sees you I'm pretty sure you'll be dead before you get to knife them. It would also suck when you trigger the animation while still in a fire fight, You'll pretty much be completly open afterwards.

and drawing is bitter-sweet

Stealth modules will come in and the dawn of the assasins will come......

That's right.
one day the DEVs will introduce cloaking modules to the Recon dropsuits.

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If you let a enemy get close enough to melee you then HE deserves the OHK.

Just strolling about then BAM! 10,000 Isk gone because of a fast recon.

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If you let a enemy get close enough to melee you then HE deserves the OHK.

But you wouldnt stand a chance if he was cloaked and not on your mini map and very fast as recons are

I am a Killzone 3 player and I constantly have to deal with OHK melee, especially from Infiltrators that runs faster than any class, and I assure you isn't frustrating at all.
Also if a scout runs at me he can't shoot back so eventually I will take him down before he gets to me.
In Killzone 3 I melee kill 1-3 times per match max (if I go for it) and I play on TDM maps which are small and so encounters are more frequent: rely on guns in Killzone 3 and you will have far more kills believe me.
Also Dust 515 maps are really enormous + we have vehicles + we have armored players, so melee kills are even rarer here: I melee killed trice in 30 matches.

Melee is a very occasional thing in FPS and as such it must not frustrate you, ti must be satifying and OHK are the most satisfying.

BOY! Y U NO RUN FASTER?!

I like the idea, but it should be a skill you eventually unlock, like when you train your hand to hand mastery to max.

I was strolling! I should be able to stroll in a battlefield without being in danger!

I like the idea, but it should be a skill you eventually unlock, like when you train your hand to hand mastery to max.

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I forgot to tell you earlier but you din't steal my idea...we both where inspired by Killzone 3 which IMO has the best melee system in any FPS multiplayer.

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Make me the co-author of the suggestion and we are even...but honestly I am just happy I can help to eventually make finishers come true.

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WFC has great melee but there maces/swards had a far higher reach then the knives we have here here.
Also whne it took 2 hits to kill a giant robot ti was believable...here the knife is so weak that heavies goes down in 4-5 hits :(

In FPS with humans is preferable to have OHK melee because if you don't it's inevitable to end up having "dancing melee" scenario.

....no quick animations, not instant kill as in Future Solider, but animation in which we stab the enemy many times...more times in case of heavies.

There should be some type of assurance that you made contact with a knife attack. Something like a new sound effect of a knife cutting into flash or a metal to metal type sound. Considering the game is still in development, they can even add a new graphic (i.e., a linenew of blood coming of the enemy, etc), however, I feel sound effects of would be sufficient.

Additionally, what about the idea of having a 2 or 3 slash combo with the knife by pressing the button multiple times, thus reducing the time between attacks when up close and personal... thoughts?

Additionally, what about the idea of having a 2 or 3 slash combo with the knife by pressing the button multiple times, thus reducing the time between attacks when up close and personal... thoughts?

Could a DEV or GM reply about this topic?
it would stop some tension.

I don't think they'll give us an answer unless it's already set in stone for them. It is, in part, this kind of feedback they use to make the decisions. Seeing which way the wind's blowing and how feasible it is to go along with it.

Do you mean in the animations?
Surely if we could slash the knife multiple times as in Killzone 2 it would be easier/faster to kill someone than now.

I liked that in Killzone 2...then they introduced the Brutal Melee and achived perfection

BOY! Y U NO STROLL SAFER?!

Graphic finishers would be intense for cutting off someone's ability to be revived, but I'd like to see revives used more often before they start including something like that.

Battlefields aren't safe???? When did this happen?

I think it would be sweet if when someone attacked you from behind with a knife and you were a heavy, you could have a splitsecond to hit a button chosen at random by the game and crush the persons head with your fist.

A counter-finisher system would be effin' sweet. I see it playing out like an active reload ping-pong match. Guy one shanks at your back for the assassination. You twich your melee as the animation starts to block him. Then a kind of timing system where you hit x to "bounce" the melee back to them, slightly faster with each successful block. Epic knife fight until someone misses.

It would make you both vunerable to fire during the kinfe fight too so you wouldn't risk it if you weren't sure.

The nova knife should be taken as long you hold R3 you can look around and the mrec makes a knife attack in the direction you look

Heck if I could just make a melee attack without having to wait a day after the button for it to come out I'd be happy. That and maybe a decent rate of attack so you can keep slashing.

~Dudeman Jones

CCP will eventually respond.
Anyway silence is eloquent enough.

Honestly, what I'd be interested to see experimented with is actual dedicated melee weapons. I mean that as in allowing you to perform a rapid melee attack with the butt of your weapon, but also making an equipment slot for melee weapons like the Nova Knife, and adding in some alternative ones as well. So you could beat down someone who gets up close to you in a heated fight, but if you can sneak up behind someone, you can pull your knife and take them down in one go. Just a thought.

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Pal I am with you on this but really CCP isn't interested about this idea.

They would have answered if they where interested, or said they considered it.

I mean if they read it and are interested why din't they say anything then?
If I had read this, found it useful, I would have taken 10 seconds to say " we are considering this".

This thread is still a bunch of people too lazy to skill up knives. 1M SP and you can do over 400 knife damage with the proper fit. Certainly a huge alpha spike of damage.