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MarasdF Loron
fatal absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2017.04.17 11:27:00 -
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Sequal's Back wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Sequal's Back wrote:My signature says enough about my opinion on vehicles. Glad they got rid of them. They were always ruining the fun for everyone else anyways. Stupid hardener stacking ruined the fun, not vehicles. Vehicles should be in the game at some point and a balance between AV and vehicles needs to be made early. They never found out how to balance them though. Better off without them if they don't fit in the game. As far as the " play another game / you're just bad / salt salt salt" comments, I can't believe people are still so butthurt about Dust. My signature still hold true then. They actually had them "balanced" pretty nicely in the earlier days, it was the complete vehicle overhaul that made vehicles so incredibly broken in Dust.
I'm not sure if you are trolling or not but it is so arrogant of you vehicle haters to come and play a game that has vehicles and then say that vehicles should be thrown out of the game. So if they are creating Dust again from the ground up and calling it Nova, it really should have most of the aspects of Dust. If you don't like vehicles then why did you play a game that had vehicles when there were and still are plenty of games out there without vehicles?
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Echo 1991
WarRavens Imperium Eden
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Posted - 2017.04.17 14:21:00 -
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Sequal's Back wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Sequal's Back wrote:My signature says enough about my opinion on vehicles. Glad they got rid of them. They were always ruining the fun for everyone else anyways. Stupid hardener stacking ruined the fun, not vehicles. Vehicles should be in the game at some point and a balance between AV and vehicles needs to be made early. They never found out how to balance them though. Better off without them if they don't fit in the game. As far as the " play another game / you're just bad / salt salt salt" comments, I can't believe people are still so butthurt about Dust. My signature still hold true then. The balance was getting there. When the patch/hotfix came out and they nerfed the swarm launcher. All that was needed after that was slight changes, but theyGÇï made stupid hardeners and reps passive.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2017.04.17 15:28:00 -
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The "waves of opportunity" philosophy they added in mixed with the redline and just made for crappy gameplay on both sides. Active reps were the way to go, and pushing the redline further back / removing it all together were what was needed.
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Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
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Posted - 2017.04.17 16:06:00 -
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So, there making call of duty in space instead pf legion?
Closed Beta Vet.
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2017.04.17 19:01:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:The "waves of opportunity" philosophy they added in mixed with the redline and just made for crappy gameplay on both sides. Active reps were the way to go, and pushing the redline further back / removing it all together were what was needed. I'd like to see something more along the lines of MAG in the approach to vehicles, where only some maps had them, which allowed vehicles on those maps to really flourish and be more interesting... This is also an approach that wont get fooked up by vehicles not being introduced from the start... Can hopefully add things into the map designs to stop roof camping/red zoning as well.
But yeah, Dust was ruined towards the end when for some reason the area available to both teams was made tiny on a lot of maps.
I'm guessing the idea was to stop people getting pushed so far back into their own redzone that the match was over... But it didn't take into account the opposite problem of people just camping their own redzone because it was a safe way to get kills when the other team got bored of having nothing to do and just ran into the enemy redzone.
Alena Asakura wrote: what can be needs to be as real as possible
We'll never agree on this, because I don't think balance should ever be based on realism, even in games that aim for realism. And frankly if someone puts in an extra 0 on something, it should be nerfed back into place, rather than adding more things with equally broken stats/machanics to compensate.
If the game was designed to include constantly upgrading gear, then sure, add realism by allowing the balance to zig-zag between different groups (although frankly I find the idea boring as I would much rather have some semblance of actual balance in the game, where tactics/strategy and luck mean more than pure stats/OP mechanics.)
Out of interest... Instead of nerfing the range of Large Rail Turrets, what would you have added as the next big counter to it?
More range to forge guns, would just have made roof camping that much more bastardized.
More range to other turrets would just have completely boned infantry while the tanks ignored each other.
All I can see is the constant buffing would make the game boring as hell as everyone continued to spam the scrubbiest (and often most boring) tactics until everyone quit playing, because a boring game isn't worth your time, no matter how much you try to "make the game your life." |
Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2017.04.17 19:04:00 -
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Sequal's Back wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Sequal's Back wrote:My signature says enough about my opinion on vehicles. Glad they got rid of them. They were always ruining the fun for everyone else anyways. Stupid hardener stacking ruined the fun, not vehicles. Vehicles should be in the game at some point and a balance between AV and vehicles needs to be made early. They never found out how to balance them though. Better off without them if they don't fit in the game. As far as the " play another game / you're just bad / salt salt salt" comments, I can't believe people are still so butthurt about Dust. My signature still hold true then. Same can be said about dropsuits but you guys prefer cod styled games so no way you'd suggest removing some of them till the first 2 are balanced and weapons while we're at it
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
17075
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Posted - 2017.04.17 21:21:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:So, there making call of duty in space instead pf legion? Ew, no.
After the Nova demo, the feedback that was given was that it was good, but felt bland and it needed more EVE like flavor.
Recently, the Nova team has moved back to Iceland just to have more access to the EVE developers.
I don't expect Nova to be CoD anymore than Dust was BF.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Juno Tristan
Obscure Reference
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Posted - 2017.04.18 00:43:00 -
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I can't help but think this mess (no vehicles) is entirely due to the Large Blaster Turret and it's anti infantry power.
If they'd gone with a Plasma Cannon style turret i don't think people would have complained as much, to get killed by it you'd either have to be unlucky or too damn close
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
17075
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Posted - 2017.04.18 01:01:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:I can't help but think this mess (no vehicles) is entirely due to the Large Blaster Turret and it's anti infantry power.
If they'd gone with a Plasma Cannon style turret i don't think people would have complained as much, to get killed by it you'd either have to be unlucky or too damn close There were a lot of problems.
Hardeners, as previously mentioned, and the fact they were passive.
Perhaps the speed of turret movement, certainly the inertia (or lack thereof) with speed of the tank. No large tank should be able to get up to speed that quickly, or stop so quickly, IMO.
I hope they are at least white boarding these things even if they can't put them in game at release.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
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Posted - 2017.04.18 02:25:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Void Echo wrote:So, there making call of duty in space instead pf legion? Ew, no. After the Nova demo, the feedback that was given was that it was good, but felt bland and it needed more EVE like flavor. Recently, the Nova team has moved back to Iceland just to have more access to the EVE developers. I don't expect Nova to be CoD anymore than Dust was BF.
As long as they make it better than infinite warfare was, im good
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2017.04.18 02:56:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Void Echo wrote:So, there making call of duty in space instead pf legion? Ew, no. After the Nova demo, the feedback that was given was that it was good, but felt bland and it needed more EVE like flavor. Recently, the Nova team has moved back to Iceland just to have more access to the EVE developers. I don't expect Nova to be CoD anymore than Dust was BF. As long as they make it better than infinite warfare was, im good It is entirely possible the demo already was.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
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Posted - 2017.04.18 15:44:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Void Echo wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Void Echo wrote:So, there making call of duty in space instead pf legion? Ew, no. After the Nova demo, the feedback that was given was that it was good, but felt bland and it needed more EVE like flavor. Recently, the Nova team has moved back to Iceland just to have more access to the EVE developers. I don't expect Nova to be CoD anymore than Dust was BF. As long as they make it better than infinite warfare was, im good It is entirely possible the demo already was.
As weve all seen from CCP's history. Advertisement and what they show at fanfest is hardly ever what they deliver
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Moorian Flav
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Posted - 2017.04.18 15:52:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:As weve all seen from CCP's history. Advertisement and what they show at fanfest is hardly ever what they deliver We all know (including CCP) that CCP over hyped and didn't deliver on alot of their promises for DUST. That is why CCP is so reclusive about Project Nova and such negativity is not helping. CCP did have its failing with DUST but at least they are still trying to make a FPS that is unique and great rather than rehashing the same crap FPS game year after year like the big boys.
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Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
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Posted - 2017.04.18 23:47:00 -
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Moorian Flav wrote:Void Echo wrote:As weve all seen from CCP's history. Advertisement and what they show at fanfest is hardly ever what they deliver We all know (including CCP) that CCP over hyped and didn't deliver on alot of their promises for DUST. That is why CCP is so reclusive about Project Nova and such negativity is not helping. CCP did have its failing with DUST but at least they are still trying to make a FPS that is unique and great rather than rehashing the same crap FPS game year after year like the big boys.
Eh. As long as the end result makes cod **** their pants, im good.
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MarasdF Loron
fatal absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2017.04.19 05:37:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Moorian Flav wrote:Void Echo wrote:As weve all seen from CCP's history. Advertisement and what they show at fanfest is hardly ever what they deliver We all know (including CCP) that CCP over hyped and didn't deliver on alot of their promises for DUST. That is why CCP is so reclusive about Project Nova and such negativity is not helping. CCP did have its failing with DUST but at least they are still trying to make a FPS that is unique and great rather than rehashing the same crap FPS game year after year like the big boys. Eh. As long as the end result makes cod **** their pants, im good. You know as well as anyone that it's not going to happen. CoD fanboys only care about CoD, no matter how much better some other game is. Which is one of the reasons I don't understand why game devs try to make their games appealing to the CoD audience. They only hurt themselves as CoD players won't care about that game and neither will those that don't like CoD if it's too CoD-like.
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Void Echo
Helix Evolution I.W.C
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Posted - 2017.04.19 12:59:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:Void Echo wrote:Moorian Flav wrote:Void Echo wrote:As weve all seen from CCP's history. Advertisement and what they show at fanfest is hardly ever what they deliver We all know (including CCP) that CCP over hyped and didn't deliver on alot of their promises for DUST. That is why CCP is so reclusive about Project Nova and such negativity is not helping. CCP did have its failing with DUST but at least they are still trying to make a FPS that is unique and great rather than rehashing the same crap FPS game year after year like the big boys. Eh. As long as the end result makes cod **** their pants, im good. You know as well as anyone that it's not going to happen. CoD fanboys only care about CoD, no matter how much better some other game is. Which is one of the reasons I don't understand why game devs try to make their games appealing to the CoD audience. They only hurt themselves as CoD players won't care about that game and neither will those that don't like CoD if it's too CoD-like.
The only reason destiny failed ia because the story writers quit halfway through development.
Plus if nova is released on pc only and doesn't gp to ps4 fpr at least 3 years, they might as well not fo to console
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken
Going for the gold
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Posted - 2017.04.19 13:41:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Void Echo wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Void Echo wrote:So, there making call of duty in space instead pf legion? Ew, no. After the Nova demo, the feedback that was given was that it was good, but felt bland and it needed more EVE like flavor. Recently, the Nova team has moved back to Iceland just to have more access to the EVE developers. I don't expect Nova to be CoD anymore than Dust was BF. As long as they make it better than infinite warfare was, im good It is entirely possible the demo already was. As weve all seen from CCP's history. Advertisement and what they show at fanfest is hardly ever what they deliver Yup, Dust's first trailer and the end product itself are worlds apart. (hmm, yeah...)
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2017.04.19 13:49:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Void Echo wrote:Moorian Flav wrote:Void Echo wrote:As weve all seen from CCP's history. Advertisement and what they show at fanfest is hardly ever what they deliver We all know (including CCP) that CCP over hyped and didn't deliver on alot of their promises for DUST. That is why CCP is so reclusive about Project Nova and such negativity is not helping. CCP did have its failing with DUST but at least they are still trying to make a FPS that is unique and great rather than rehashing the same crap FPS game year after year like the big boys. Eh. As long as the end result makes cod **** their pants, im good. You know as well as anyone that it's not going to happen. CoD fanboys only care about CoD, no matter how much better some other game is. Which is one of the reasons I don't understand why game devs try to make their games appealing to the CoD audience. They only hurt themselves as CoD players won't care about that game and neither will those that don't like CoD if it's too CoD-like. The only reason destiny failed ia because the story writers quit halfway through development. Plus if nova is released on pc only and doesn't gp to ps4 fpr at least 3 years, they might as well not fo to console The only reason? I disagree. Destiny couldn't hold my interest even for 30 mins. I started playing with my friend because he wanted to try that game out but after one play session neither one of us wanted to return to that game, ever. I never could see what people liked about Desitny in the first place.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2017.04.19 16:08:00 -
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Destiny had tight combat mechanics. Very frantic and fun MP. I ultimately turned away from it because there was no matchmaker for vaults and the like. My anxiety makes setting up groups every time I want to run one a total pain in the ass so I dont even bother.
I hope they change that in 2 but who knows. If Nova is just infantry than the mechanics have to be up to par with D2 and Overwatch at least. Especially as a PC only game.
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Juno Tristan
Obscure Reference
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Posted - 2017.04.19 16:25:00 -
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:Yup, Dust's first trailer and the end product itself are worlds apart. (hmm, yeah... )
I was watching some of the old trailers and they all heavily feature vehicles, like the vehicles are the main part of the game
Interesting to see how times have changed
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2017.04.19 19:57:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Destiny had tight combat mechanics. Very frantic and fun MP. I ultimately turned away from it because there was no matchmaker for vaults and the like. My anxiety makes setting up groups every time I want to run one a total pain in the ass so I dont even bother.
I hope they change that in 2 but who knows. If Nova is just infantry than the mechanics have to be up to par with D2 and Overwatch at least. Especially as a PC only game. This is exactly why I stopped after awhile even though I pre ordered the game. If I pay full price for a game, and you don't give me the option of using the same MM in a raid that you do for a boss, that tells me you don't care about my needs as a customer.
I get their reasons, but adding the MM does not bar people from creating a party anymore than it did with bosses. Just a **** poor excuse to alienate your customers.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2017.04.20 17:43:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:Yup, Dust's first trailer and the end product itself are worlds apart. (hmm, yeah... ) I was watching some of the old trailers and they all heavily feature vehicles, like the vehicles are the main part of the game Interesting to see how times have changed Yeah, it really seems as if they want to create an entirely different game this time around. Not the one that they envisioned a long time ago.
Well, I for one really liked their vision for Dust, too bad it seems like that's all it's ever going to be, just a vision. A dream about something insanely awesome that will never ever happen. :(
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Moorian Flav
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Posted - 2017.04.20 18:01:00 -
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Vehicles may still be on the table for Nova... eventually. In the meantime, I am still hoping CCP realizes a DUST vehicle based game similar to World of Tanks and War Thunder is still an excellent idea. On top of having another CCP made title out there, CCP could do R&D into fully rebalancing past DUST vehicles while also making the Minmatar and Amarr ones they previously designed for DUST that they could put into Nova later. I don't see how it would be anything but a win/win.
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game Preatoriani
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Posted - 2017.04.21 10:35:00 -
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I've said it before, but may I add that I also would love to see a vehicle combat only game from CCP. Nova can be the close infantry combat game. CCP should do another game using large scale surface maps with the vehicles from Dust. No need for infantry. Would be awesome. |
Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2017.04.21 14:27:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:I've said it before, but may I add that I also would love to see a vehicle combat only game from CCP. Nova can be the close infantry combat game. CCP should do another game using large scale surface maps with the vehicles from Dust. No need for infantry. Would be awesome. If it had dropships, I'd play... But I tried and hated world of tanks (ironic since I seemed to love tank514) so I'm pretty sure I'm against seeing a game like that. |
Echo 1991
WarRavens Imperium Eden
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Posted - 2017.04.21 14:33:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:I've said it before, but may I add that I also would love to see a vehicle combat only game from CCP. Nova can be the close infantry combat game. CCP should do another game using large scale surface maps with the vehicles from Dust. No need for infantry. Would be awesome. That's just world of tanks with different tanks.
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game Preatoriani
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Posted - 2017.04.21 18:42:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Varoth Drac wrote:I've said it before, but may I add that I also would love to see a vehicle combat only game from CCP. Nova can be the close infantry combat game. CCP should do another game using large scale surface maps with the vehicles from Dust. No need for infantry. Would be awesome. That's just world of tanks with different tanks. Much like Dust was Battlefield with different battlefields? |
DELB0Y
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Posted - 2017.04.29 14:35:00 -
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Derp, Juno I miss you guys and I miss Dust. If they ever do release vehicles in this game I doubt we will see them before at least 2020 and that makes me sad :( Hurry up CCP! Also I want to have the option be able to use VR in JUST the vehicles. Would be nice to look around inside my tank and look out of hatches/see my co drivers and stuff. Please, please pull the finger out Hilmar and make vehicles happen! I'm sick of running around ships/space stations in my sci fi shooters. Dust offered beautiful looking battlefields inspired by icelands landscapes and that offered something DIFFERENT that I dont see in many sci fi games. Dusts graphics although poor were still oustanding in my book. Love you all and world peace x
You give up our position one more time, I'll bleed you, real quiet, and leave you here. Got that?
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2017.04.29 16:42:00 -
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DELB0Y wrote:Derp, Juno I miss you guys and I miss Dust. If they ever do release vehicles in this game I doubt we will see them before at least 2020 and that makes me sad :( Hurry up CCP! Also I want to have the option be able to use VR in JUST the vehicles. Would be nice to look around inside my tank and look out of hatches/see my co drivers and stuff. Please, please pull the finger out Hilmar and make vehicles happen! I'm sick of running around ships/space stations in my sci fi shooters. Dust offered beautiful looking battlefields inspired by icelands landscapes and that offered something DIFFERENT that I dont see in many sci fi games. Dusts graphics although poor were still oustanding in my book. Love you all and world peace x
We're probably the only people dopey enough to keep pulling out a missile gunni to fight another missile gunni, any sane person would swap to a different turret and play the rock/paper/scissors game. The damage / regen made for some very interesting battles... Properly duking it out for a few minutes, rather than the assasin/wave of opportunity style that most tank fights ended in.
I must have lost a **** ton of isk to you, but it was so worthwhile.
And those few times we landed on the same team and ended up 2 v 5... It's a shame they aren't adding vehicles at the start, I don't know if gunplay will be enough on its own for me... So hopefully it gets put in before 2020, lol. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Penumbra or something
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Posted - 2017.04.29 19:08:00 -
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My interest in the game has been dropping by the minute, and this doesn't help it.
Though CCP has proven to be incapable of balancing vehicles (which shouldn't be that hard), so I'm not surprised.
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