These are reasonable exceptions and pretty much on par with my own.

Something I feel that I must say however regards vehicles in Nova.

I want to be as honest as I can with you and in this instance I have to brutal. If you as player are having expectations of vehicles in this game, strong or otherwise, when it finally arrives and waiting for the return of Dropships, MAV's and HAV's then please stop doing so right now.

We might have liked them as a feature. But the day it was decided to have them in the game pretty much doomed Dust to failure.

Why? Because they were added to be 'cool'. There was no game design positives in them being in the game, it only caused problems.

If they had stayed as perhaps an 'unskilled' item drop with no fittings (as they originally were) and no skill tree to effect them it might have worked. But the rock, paper, scissors style of balancing any other FPS was pretty much rendered unusable in Dust and the balance issues between in infantry and vehicles plagued the game to its last breath.

I've yet to speak to anyone in CCP wanting to put vehicles in the game.

The new team is super enthused to be working on Nova. The returning Dev's who've come back to specifically work on Nova in Reykjavik have a 'We're gonna do this right this time!' mantra. The next sentence after saying that is usually 'and not put vehicles in it.'

The new concept as shown last year with the Demo at FF 2016 and from what I played in the CCP office this year is ship based with maps inside and on the surface of Eve ships. Vehicles are not required and deliberately so in terms of game design.

IF and must stress again its a pretty big IF we get to a point, likely as not long after the game is released and balanced enough to able to incorporate vehicles of some kind they will be 'dumb' asset drops in which only the players innate skill at using them will be the determining factor like every other FPS that has vehicles does.

This isn't really new news... We're you still actually hoping to have them at launch?

This isn't really new news... We're you still actually hoping to have them at launch?

This isn't really new news... We're you still actually hoping to have them at launch?

No I wasn't, but this is further indication that not only are vehicles not on the initial roadmap, they may very well not be on the road map at all.

I'm sorry if the one thing that truly made DUST special for me has been ripped away, likely never to return. I've been doing pretty good handling that lately, so please if you don't mind, don't rub salt in my wounds.

Thank you kindly.

No I wasn't, but this is further indication that not only are vehicles not on the initial roadmap, they may very well not be on the road map at all.

I'm sorry if the one thing that truly made DUST special for me has been ripped away, likely never to return. I've been doing pretty good handling that lately, so please if you don't mind, don't rub salt in my wounds.

Thank you kindly.

No drama intended. I was just surprised that you held that viewpoint still.

All I've done in DUST is pilot vehicles and destroy them with AV. I mean I tried the other stuff but only scouts were any fun, and that was mostly because of hacking and destroying enemy vehicles with them. It's fine though, I'm just going to place my hope in RSI with SC, if a team that large, talented and funded can't do it then perhaps it simply wasn't meant to be done. As for the FPS side I'll have to see if Nova stacks up to Overwatch and Destiny 2 (we'll see with that one), then go from there

You can't respond to me on this topic without invoking drama, you should know this by now. It's me Pokey. We've been down this road. Holding hands. Skipping.

Vehicles were fine in Dust. It was the lack of an easily accessible counter to them that was the real problem.

Exactly. One web grenade and it would have been a whole 'nother story. Sill, i support wholeheartedly 'no vehicles' at launch.

Let's be honest, one of the many annoyances with vehicles, was the disparity between those who specced in fully and those who didn't spec into them at all.

The old "to kill a tank, you should bring out a tank" logic was flawed because people didn't want to have to spec into something just to kill it... And that's a lot of points to spend getting into a role that isn't useful in half the situations.

Don't get me wrong tho, those points were spent having fun, but as someone who enjoyed both ground and vehicle play it was kind of a pain having to spec into both.


I don't really care about fittings and ****, I liked the occasional teamwork and strategy that vehicles brought to the game, so I hope they add them back in and that any changes making vehicles more accessible make that better.

Though it does bother me, that the lack of vehicles on release, makes it likely we'll end up with tiny maps where "controlling the map" is less of a strategically moving your infantry to certain zones and more "hold this hallway with yo mass driver."



So yeah, please tell me we'll get decent sized maps, because even with infantry only, some of the tiny playable areas we ended up with in the end killed the fun in Dust.

Lets not forget the solo av logic as well..1 dude who spent like no sp an a fraction of the isk, should solo a tank with ease..no matter what you'll have QQ with people thinking they shouldn't have to do anything just get the easy W (talking about both sides)

Snip.

The issue in dust was the redline

It really did doom vehicle play, especially the moment they decided to go with the "Waves of Opportunity" philosophy for vehicles. This combined to lead to so many vehicle players who would either constantly retreat to the redline when threatened or on cooldown, or those who never left it. If you couldn't wander off and hide, and if players could call down their own installations and turrets like originally envisioned, much of these balance concerns evaporate.

It's just a shame that I have to drop $400 on a VR headset if I want to fly again in the EVE universe (EVE itself doesn't count lol)

If they want to take away the fun part of creating your own vehicle playstyle, it would be nice to get a sequential gamemode like Skirmish 1.0. Have the first phase be out in the wide open with a certain number of vehicles back at base, maybe players can buy "Pilots licenses" with ISK or through SP or something that gives them priority to vehicles, spawning them closer and removing a 30 second lockout from vehicles that non pilots enjoy. That first phase would be 2 parts where you push back the first fortifications and then the primary fortifications after that, using vehicles to help break walls and bridges and installations etc. Then the third phase you're storming a big ass fortress and there's no space for vehicles, it's all just indoor combat.

Dreaming is a frustrating thing lol. I just have to wait and see. Thankfully the state of the world has given me a different outlook on all this stuff, it would at least be nice to see some screenshots or something.

Anything.