Imbalance was almost a good thing in DUST. I feel like you cant have a customizable market driven shooter thats also totally balanced.

Better matchmaking would certainly help but you had to change your playstyle to adapt to the situation. If i start the match with my AV Incubus and scare away all vehicles, i switch to missile python until AV becomes too strong then I switch infantry if its that bad, or perhaps to my Tank to draw AV closer to my infantry.

If i see the entire team is decked out in great gear, i can choose to try and make them pay for it by putting on my sunday best, or trolling them in free suits. If i see the enemy team stacked with tanks and i cant break their line with my AV Incubus i load up my LAV with boom booms and go for the hug, or sneak around with my scout and lay traps for them or ambush them.

I fear Nova will lose most if not all of this dynamic, allowing everyone to be their own personal rambo and taking any thought left in the game out of the game.

It's far too early still to speculate one way or the other, I'll always be a bitter vet and may very well not even get into Nova if its scale is too small, but I don't want to sit here screaming at shadows.

We'll just have to wait and see what ends up happening. All I know is if you played DUST for vehicles, you aren't welcome in Nova, not for quite some time anyways.

Imbalance is bad. Sure, if you are talking real life, you don't want to fight a war on an even playing field.

Games aren't real life, they are entertainment. Unbalanced games fail because fewer people are having fun than are frustrated. Part of the reason Dust failed was due to its inability to retain players, which was at least in part due to imbalance.

I hated my Scout being OP even more than I hated early on when it was difficult.

What good would it be to finally have vehicles if your dropship full of gunners could easily be taken out by a single militia swarm so far out that you couldn't even see him or have a chance to evade? You wouldn't play that, nor should you be expected to.

Let's not kid ourselves and expect Nova to exist and thrive without balance. And if occasional nerfs and buffs are needed, so be it.

The good thing about Nova being on PC is that they can have test servers to try things out before they release to everyone. Maybe that way we can avoid some of the more extreme nerfs/buffs that resulted in OP/UP items doing a 180.

No, imbalance is good.

Your words are those of someone who doesn't understand the single most important thing about New Eden - it IS real life for those who live there. The whole point of EvE in the first place was to be as real as possible, but then they started this buff/nerf cycle which is so disruptive in EvE as well as it was in Dust. At some point, I hope they will still stop that cycle, and go to a more moderate approach of continual small incremental improvements but they should NEVER strive for "balance". FOTM should always be a moving target, so that FOTM-followers always have to be moving onto newer fits, but non-FOTM players shouldn't suddenly have their favourite fits made useless because of some stupid nerf that hobbles it.

Well, I'm not a player that came to Dust from EVE, but to me one of the most intiguing aspects of Dust battles was the feel of escalation. The match may have started out small with everyone using relatively rubbish stuff and then someone brings in something more powerful than others have and after that someone brings in something even more powerful to "counter" that and so on until everyone and their mothers are competing to bring in the strongest stuff available.
And because everything had a price it was quite satisfying to get kills and you could feel the blow if you died, especially as a vehicle pilot.
I fear Nova will not be able to capture this feel either if they are going too small and for too much balance.

Good points. Escalation was the practical outcome of the complexity in the game. EvE is a tremendously complex game. In comparison, Dust with its skill tree was almost laughably simple, but was still more complex than most games out there. To me the skill tree was dumbed down, in comparison to that of EvE. Things like the lack of a capacitor, for instance, presumably because people wouldn't know how to use it, dumbed the game down.

A capacitor for the record is a store of energy from the power grid, to be released in sudden bursts for one purpose or another. In EvE it's used for everything from firing railguns, blasters and lasers to powering the warp bubble for traversing solar systems. In Nova, it would be used to power weapons, cloaks, dampeners, etc, everything that "cycles" or needs bursts of energy, rather than just being powered directly from the power grid.

If they are serious about producing a truly complex Nova, these are the sorts of things that need to be considered. Based on Dust, I have a low expectation of seeing this, but the fact they want to do it right, and are moving to the PC, for something that looks like they are going to make a game that's better than the original, gives me hope.

Vehicles were imbalanced but assaults weren't balanced till after the game died...logi 514/scout514/heavy514
My point is that vehicles weren't the only imbalance in the game..I still believe vehicles should be implemented sometime during closed beta..the imbalances will be there but I think the sooner we find them the better

Oh well, we'll see how it plays out

Nothing ever gets nerfed in real life

Banks nerf interest on savings... All the time.

Catch man-flu, nature has temporarily nerfed you.

Bought yourself a VW car recently... It's emission stats totally got nerfed.

Transportation nerfs... Public transport never gets buffed, it gets more expensive, but it only ever gets worse.


And that big bomb 'Murica dropped, totally nerfed some durka durka tunnels.

Banks nerf interest on savings... All the time.

Catch man-flu, nature has temporarily nerfed you.

Bought yourself a VW car recently... It's emission stats totally got nerfed.

Transportation nerfs... Public transport never gets buffed, it gets more expensive, but it only ever gets worse.


And that big bomb 'Murica dropped, totally nerfed some durka durka tunnels.

I'll be the captain obvious here and say that I'm sure he/she meant warfare. Stuff gets "banned" but never nerfed, or maybe it does, idk.

THAT doesn't happen in real life. Noone CHOOSES to hobble their own weapons or equipment. If it's too powerful for some reason, they choose something less powerful, they don't deliberately make it less powerful. Yet that is precisely what we are meant to believe happens when CCP nerfs a weapon, or module, ship or suit.

True, true... But in the real world example who is CCP? It's not like Galente got together and said "Bro, these scrubs are going down too easy, lets make our tank only move forwards and backwards like a tonka toy, to try and make things more interesting."

Obviously if the factions had the power of CCP we'd have a sniper-shotgun-HMG hybrid that makes redline warfare super fun... And if 'Murica had the same powers someone would have hit alt-f4 on life by now.

My signature says enough about my opinion on vehicles. Glad they got rid of them. They were always ruining the fun for everyone else anyways.

My signature says enough about my opinion on vehicles. Glad they got rid of them. They were always ruining the fun for everyone else anyways.

My signature says enough about my opinion on vehicles. Glad they got rid of them. They were always ruining the fun for bad players anyways.

The point of realism, is that CCP in the attempt to produce such realism should not do anything that isn't something Gallente would choose to do (or any other race/faction for that matter)

Then they shouldn't develop a game? O.o

"Played Alpha, game was mehh" - Jolly

CCP keeping up traditions!

Got into the close alpha or whatever they called it, game was ehh. Liked the style though.

Currently getting wrecked on King of the Kill and Battlegrounds.

Stupid hardener stacking ruined the fun, not vehicles. Vehicles should be in the game at some point and a balance between AV and vehicles needs to be made early.