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One Eyed King
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Posted - 2017.04.11 20:54:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:Well, I've been away from these forums for a long time, well, as an active partaker anyway, though I have been stalking these forums for Nova news ever since it's been a thing. Anyway, if this is true and Nova will not have vehicles, ever, I will not be playing it sadly. I think that for vehicle gameplay Dust filled a void when it came to very customizable vehicles and on top of that it had "great" economy and most certainly even better community.
I guess the time has come for me to drop my dream. I feel like my heart's broken now. No one at CCP has said that Nova will not have vehicles, ever. Rattati did say that they likely won't be there at initial release.
Consider that on Dust's release, suits did not have all 4 races for each. That was added later.
Nova, much like EVE, will be a persistent game.The game you see at release, should it release, will not be quite the same game you see one or several years after.
Try to keep some perspective.
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One Eyed King
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Posted - 2017.04.11 21:21:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:One Eyed King wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Well, I've been away from these forums for a long time, well, as an active partaker anyway, though I have been stalking these forums for Nova news ever since it's been a thing. Anyway, if this is true and Nova will not have vehicles, ever, I will not be playing it sadly. I think that for vehicle gameplay Dust filled a void when it came to very customizable vehicles and on top of that it had "great" economy and most certainly even better community.
I guess the time has come for me to drop my dream. I feel like my heart's broken now. No one at CCP has said that Nova will not have vehicles, ever. Rattati did say that they likely won't be there at initial release. Consider that on Dust's release, suits did not have all 4 races for each. That was added later. Nova, much like EVE, will be a persistent game.The game you see at release, should it release, will not be quite the same game you see one or several years after. Try to keep some perspective. But it had vehicles..I don't blame ccp but don't expect vehicle users to be as enthusiastic as infantry considering their roll will not be there (till later) I can totally see being disappointed, especially for someone like Dust Fiend who almost exclusively piloted vehicles or played AV. I just think it is extreme to say that it will never happen, and that you should just stop dreaming about playing vehicles.
Frankly, if Nova is to ever have vehicles, the community NEEDS to have these guys around to lend their perspective and feedback. Especially if there are facets of Nova that they see may prevent vehicle adoption later. It won't help any if they just totally give up because they may have to wait longer.
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Posted - 2017.04.11 21:22:00 -
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^^^^^^^
DUST Fiend wrote:One Eyed King wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Well, I've been away from these forums for a long time, well, as an active partaker anyway, though I have been stalking these forums for Nova news ever since it's been a thing. Anyway, if this is true and Nova will not have vehicles, ever, I will not be playing it sadly. I think that for vehicle gameplay Dust filled a void when it came to very customizable vehicles and on top of that it had "great" economy and most certainly even better community.
I guess the time has come for me to drop my dream. I feel like my heart's broken now. No one at CCP has said that Nova will not have vehicles, ever. Rattati did say that they likely won't be there at initial release. Consider that on Dust's release, suits did not have all 4 races for each. That was added later. Nova, much like EVE, will be a persistent game.The game you see at release, should it release, will not be quite the same game you see one or several years after. Try to keep some perspective. For perspective, if you prefer infantry try looking at it like most information shows you will be waiting a few years after release in a few years to get the first itteration of infantry combat. All you have till then is vehicles. Would infantry players be thrilled to wait?
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Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Posted - 2017.04.12 19:50:00 -
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Imbalance is bad. Sure, if you are talking real life, you don't want to fight a war on an even playing field.
Games aren't real life, they are entertainment. Unbalanced games fail because fewer people are having fun than are frustrated. Part of the reason Dust failed was due to its inability to retain players, which was at least in part due to imbalance.
I hated my Scout being OP even more than I hated early on when it was difficult.
What good would it be to finally have vehicles if your dropship full of gunners could easily be taken out by a single militia swarm so far out that you couldn't even see him or have a chance to evade? You wouldn't play that, nor should you be expected to.
Let's not kid ourselves and expect Nova to exist and thrive without balance. And if occasional nerfs and buffs are needed, so be it.
The good thing about Nova being on PC is that they can have test servers to try things out before they release to everyone. Maybe that way we can avoid some of the more extreme nerfs/buffs that resulted in OP/UP items doing a 180.
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Posted - 2017.04.12 20:07:00 -
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I think you are right in that balance can't be perfect and can be good enough, but some of the problems, especially with match making were, small player numbers and it was too late ate that point to do anything. Especially with a new generation of consoles starting and players migrating to those.
It is a positive step IMO that they scrapped Legion with all its porting of Dust bugs and that they started over. All they really need is for Nova to have a good enough start to keep people and build upon. We'll see if that can happen I guess.
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Posted - 2017.04.17 04:06:00 -
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The Noob Destroyer wrote:"Played Alpha, game was mehh" - Jolly
CCP keeping up traditions! He was talking about Drawn to Death unless I am mistaken.
J0LLY R0G3R wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:One Eyed King wrote:So, I have tried the new Drawn to Death FPS. I have not gotten further than a tutorial and one match, so I am going to give it more of a try, but so far it seems like it will end up being mediocre at best. I mean, the game is 2 vs 2. That just seems too small to me, but I will see if there is some fun to be had. neat intro video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RTpr74MFqkmight have to check that one out. looks like its currently free for PS+ subscribers. is 3rd person view forced or can you switch to 1st? edit: interesting spawn system: https://youtu.be/Ytt2lWMr-nc?t=97 Stuck in 3rd person. Spawn system was kind of cool, but the whole shooting mechanics felt clunky and unsmooth. Kind of reminds me of the shooting mechanics in No Man's Sky, except that at least that game wasn't solely/primarily intended as a shooter. Got into the close alpha or whatever they called it, game was ehh. Liked the style though. Currently getting wrecked on King of the Kill and Battlegrounds. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3149067#post3149067
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Posted - 2017.04.17 21:21:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:So, there making call of duty in space instead pf legion? Ew, no.
After the Nova demo, the feedback that was given was that it was good, but felt bland and it needed more EVE like flavor.
Recently, the Nova team has moved back to Iceland just to have more access to the EVE developers.
I don't expect Nova to be CoD anymore than Dust was BF.
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Posted - 2017.04.18 01:01:00 -
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Juno Tristan wrote:I can't help but think this mess (no vehicles) is entirely due to the Large Blaster Turret and it's anti infantry power.
If they'd gone with a Plasma Cannon style turret i don't think people would have complained as much, to get killed by it you'd either have to be unlucky or too damn close There were a lot of problems.
Hardeners, as previously mentioned, and the fact they were passive.
Perhaps the speed of turret movement, certainly the inertia (or lack thereof) with speed of the tank. No large tank should be able to get up to speed that quickly, or stop so quickly, IMO.
I hope they are at least white boarding these things even if they can't put them in game at release.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
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Posted - 2017.04.18 02:56:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Void Echo wrote:So, there making call of duty in space instead pf legion? Ew, no. After the Nova demo, the feedback that was given was that it was good, but felt bland and it needed more EVE like flavor. Recently, the Nova team has moved back to Iceland just to have more access to the EVE developers. I don't expect Nova to be CoD anymore than Dust was BF. As long as they make it better than infinite warfare was, im good It is entirely possible the demo already was.
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Posted - 2017.04.19 19:57:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Destiny had tight combat mechanics. Very frantic and fun MP. I ultimately turned away from it because there was no matchmaker for vaults and the like. My anxiety makes setting up groups every time I want to run one a total pain in the ass so I dont even bother.
I hope they change that in 2 but who knows. If Nova is just infantry than the mechanics have to be up to par with D2 and Overwatch at least. Especially as a PC only game. This is exactly why I stopped after awhile even though I pre ordered the game. If I pay full price for a game, and you don't give me the option of using the same MM in a raid that you do for a boss, that tells me you don't care about my needs as a customer.
I get their reasons, but adding the MM does not bar people from creating a party anymore than it did with bosses. Just a **** poor excuse to alienate your customers.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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