That argument was stupid on both sides, but if i managed to get 3 proto packed AV grenades and proto 3 swarm shots into a tank, it should blow up. Especially if i smack it on the weak spot. AV wasn't cheap, less SP for sure, but in order to kill the tank you left yourself wide open to anyone with a decent gun meaning you'd die a lot.

One person who has no isk or SP investment shouldn't solo a tank, ever. But a person who has level 5 + proficiency in the AV weapon, AV grenades and a proto suit as well as the other skills to have a good fit should be able to, not a guaranteed kill but a very high chance.

I'd like to say hardener stacking was a big problem for balance.

Might have been better to harden part of the shield/hull and weaken the rest, then you only tank a certain direction and good AV positioning surrounding the tank would mean it's death... While the tank is still effectively able to tank and have decent hp.

Or there's always reducing the movespeed when a hardener is active, so you become completely immobile when you're tanking it out... Giving av the chance to surround the tank and block its escape when the hardeners drop.

Boo! Sure R&D for vehicles would be time ($) consuming and a balance factor. Hmm.
I think Eve does have over 50 main types of ship with over 100 variations.

Could we not at least have 8 vanilla types for ground operations?
As in a Lav and DS for 2 racial models? Earned with lol kill streaks or squad points ala OB Strikes.
Shouldn't Eve manufacture them to sell to Nova players?
Suppose it takes 4 more years on and lots of ($)whales to influence design content.

Are you devs really going to channel us players towards Eve/ valkyrie if we want to fly/ drive vehicles?
Copy and paste the vehicles we had, no skill variations.
Sell them for 29.95. You gets the cash we gets to drive you dig.

Sure I don't fully know what this Nova concept is going to be, Eve like without any machinery?
How's that work...I don't know. How big are the maps?
Any ways I'm not running for 3 to 5 minutes to flank.
Geez I'll settle for a scooter or phone booth teleporter.

That's a shame. The worst things about vehicles are pretty hard to fix though. Like most players not needing a dropship pilot because they just crash land their own and lavs running over people instead of using the gunning seat.

The only way you can make vehicles work is by really constricting their deployment rate and location, but you'll get the issue of people waiting at the base so they can call in their vehicle. The odd solution would be to have matchmaking pick a few designated vehicle pilots (having the player set their preferred playstyle through options), but then people would probably ditch the game if they didn't get their desired role.

If anything vehicles might only work within that old eve legion sandbox gametype that is most likely scrapped. It really seems like ccp as a whole is trading doing most things wrong into getting one thing right. I just hope those one things eventually add up.

Imagine seeing Duna and DUST Fiend logiing scrubs in NOVA lol
It would be irony in Duna's case, now that I think about it.

If I do end up playing Ill be shotgun scout pretty exclusively. It was the only non AV or pilot role that I enjoyed.

Vehicle users can aim ?

Well, I've been away from these forums for a long time, well, as an active partaker anyway, though I have been stalking these forums for Nova news ever since it's been a thing.
Anyway, if this is true and Nova will not have vehicles, ever, I will not be playing it sadly.
I think that for vehicle gameplay Dust filled a void when it came to very customizable vehicles and on top of that it had "great" economy and most certainly even better community.

I guess the time has come for me to drop my dream. I feel like my heart's broken now.

No one at CCP has said that Nova will not have vehicles, ever. Rattati did say that they likely won't be there at initial release.

Consider that on Dust's release, suits did not have all 4 races for each. That was added later.

Nova, much like EVE, will be a persistent game.The game you see at release, should it release, will not be quite the same game you see one or several years after.

Try to keep some perspective.

No one at CCP has said that Nova will not have vehicles, ever. Rattati did say that they likely won't be there at initial release.

Consider that on Dust's release, suits did not have all 4 races for each. That was added later.

Nova, much like EVE, will be a persistent game.The game you see at release, should it release, will not be quite the same game you see one or several years after.

Try to keep some perspective.

But it had vehicles..I don't blame ccp but don't expect vehicle users to be as enthusiastic as infantry considering their roll will not be there (till later)

For perspective, if you prefer infantry try looking at it like most information shows you will be waiting a few years after release in a few years to get the first itteration of infantry combat. All you have till then is vehicles.

Would infantry players be thrilled to wait?

I'm mostly at peace with it now, but I'll always be a rage flavored bitter vet at this point.

From my point of view it is JJ Abrams who is evil!

We were talking in discord earlier that it would make sense to create a separate SP pool for vehicles only, this would mean you are no longer forced to pick between a new suit or quicker turret rotation and therefore are not gimped if it's a non vehicle map

They could just back out of certain maps, i mean if you play vehicles odds are you're not going to want to play infantry..Im sure we can figure something out we have plenty of time =ē+

Also i don't like seperate sp, a no life could max vehicles and dropsuits instead of choosing one to max first..i prefer dedicated roles an being able to switch it up but i shouldn't have proto tanks and dropsuits within a year..one of them yeah but not both (Idk how your sp pool would work)

Wow lots of reading and enthusiasm.. Where have you all been! A couple of observations on my part.
Let CCP get the fps mechanics correct. Let the game evolve. I'm sure vehicles will be introduced when and where correct.Remember the evolvement of Dust. Even from closed Beta to Warlords it became a different game. The main thing CCP want is back to the beginning and to get it right. I would say to all the tankers and ads is patience your time will come and we shall one day again feel your rage.