The idea of trying to take legal action over a video game is asinine, Himi. Admit it.

Free-to-play games have been shut down many times over the years and you haven't seen their players going on about taking the company to court. You've got no more ammunition here than you would in those cases.

Two key differences.

The first is that Dust is not shutting down. It is transitioning to a new state.

It is with a heavy heart that we inform you that DUST 514 will be shutting down on May 30th, 2016.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, I see.

As I said before, if somebody was truly angry enough to do it, there is enough material to do it. I never once said I was that angry, or cared enough. The game was trash and the next game will probably be just as bad, but with more hacking. Why would I waste my time and money just to screw with them?

I'm also not convinced it will be an entirely new game. This was already covered before. It doesn't matter what CCP claims. They say one thing and do the opposite all the time. It's why we're in this situation in the first place. If it has the exact same model as this one, it's the same thing. Changing the name doesn't make it something different. If it did, it wouldn't be relevant to any of you and they wouldn't bother giving "tiered recognition rewards" or whatever.


It will be more of the same because CCP is CCP and they can do no better.

Uh no. They need to carry over every single sp on my account to the new one.
We put in our time it's our sp. it's entirely fair for us to start the game with more sp because we played longer than anyone else on the original before the game started.

I don't want bpos either, I don't even have any. They need to get rid of bpos and keep the economy system where you have to purchase your own weapons and suits.

Uh no. They need to carry over every single sp on my account to the new one.
We put in our time it's our sp. it's entirely fair for us to start the game with more sp because we played longer than anyone else on the original before the game started.

I don't want bpos either, I don't even have any. They need to get rid of bpos and keep the economy system where you have to purchase your own weapons and suits.

OP jumping in again to say I thought this thread would get 10 responses and die, but it still keeps going.

Looks like you hit the G spot.

Made me nice and wet

Start over. That's what happens in the real world.

Expect vanity items, but seriously don't expect any kind of SP or Asset advantage. If this new game ever hits consumers it will be years from now. All those new players who discover the game will want the same starting point for everyone not a bunch of hyper accelerated vets beating on them and dominating whatever Planetary Conquest system the new game would have in place. This was a competitive FPS and you can assume the next would be as well. So, why would CCP want an elite group created right out of the gate that essentially disincentives a large portion of the market to want to purchase the product? Look at the new player environment here. There are multiple reasons for the lack of new players, but the number one reason they leave was because they could not compete. If you have any sort of open competition format like Planetary Conquest those neck beards that have a SP advantage will dominate that mode for years until they either kill the game or other neck beards catch up. That is not a scenario that either CCP wants as a business model or the players want as a game.

Realize as well that if a true match making system is put in place there is no need for SP advantages in formats like the current Public Contracts, because in a game that is not free to play and designed to feed the WHALES, you will be playing only other people with the same advantages you have. So, sorry to break this to some of you, but the days of stomping are over. You will never be put in starter fit matches if an actual match making system is in place. As such many of the scrubs on here will find the next game a lot less satisfying to play. Simply grinding will not gain an advantage over those who play casually. So crying for SP is not even going to accomplish what many of whiners are hoping for.

Just admit you are dry and worn out.

From you baby..it's Been like a year I got a waterfall now

I'm already preparing to go back to EvE. Now I've had a break from EvE via Dust, I reckon if there's anything I don't like in the new Dust (very likely), I'll just head back to EvE, advising as many as I can on the way to do the same. :)

Arkena nailed it but I feel like CCP is the type of devteam that would rather cover up a problem instead of fix it.

They've always been about the short term solution and its what has constantly harmed the long-term health of all of their games. They are especially fond of doing this during early development when that oh-so-important groundwork is being laid out.


Pretty sure they will happily wipe our stats and say something like "We need to do this now, but we will have a solution for SP gaps in the future" and then they will either never have a solution, or it will be so horrifying that the game is just bad.


CCP Z's ideas for Legion progression were pure cancer, and I'm genuinely terrified of what he is going to do with this.

Confirming IRL every time space mercenaries change style they burn all their stuff.

Lol, 'IRL dis happens'.



If the game is built in such a way that it can be dominated for 'years', there is a fundamental problem with the game design that is nothing to do with a handful of people having quicker SP gain. The design philosophy behind SP as a progression concept has to be wide rather than tall in anything 'competitive'.

Should the existence of high SP players at any stage be enough to wreck the game, then preventing there from being any at the start is just kicking the can down the road. After a year, there will be high SP veterans, and there will be incoming newbies. This is, apparently, the situation that must desperately be avoided at all costs including deleting everything people spent time and money on. How should that be resolved? Periodic wipes? No.

A healthy game must be able to have a vet population and a newbie population coexist. Demanding that we eliminate the vet population because otherwise there might be problems will accomplish nothing - if there are problems due to that, then there will be problems later on.

Do you think DUST started out in such a way that newbies were unable to compete? You yourself declare this to be the 'number one reason' behind newbies leaving. DUST started out on an even playing field. Everyone started out at 0 SP. Yet, by your own admission, we have this problem now that newbies can't compete with vets.

So balance things. Ensure that the newbies are always able to compete. Give them proper matchmaking until they're ready to enter the high brackets, etc. If this is done correctly, there's no harm in having vets exist. And vets will exist eventually, whether you have them at the start or not.

Ultimately, the only way carrying over some progression would damage the game is if the game was doomed to have those problems anyway.




And here we go off the deep end. I suppose you were violated a few too many times by big bad vets and so you've decided to cry on the forums for some perceived retribution. Well, have fun with that.

I don't expect them to carry much over but I don't really see why we can't just do a full transfer. Their will only be 3000 max returning dust players and how many will be on at a time? Having a few veteran elites who dominate won't ruin the game and it will make noobs strive to get there themselves.

Kind of the way I feel myself, even though I'm fairly sure CCP is set on the idea of a full reset with nothing carried over.

No matter how well balanced the game is and how much reasoning can be presented for how keeping our current characters and assets wouldn't harm anything, there would be large numbers of people who refused to even try the game because we got to keep our stuff.

It's not about balance, it's about e-peen, same as the people who say they'll never play EVE Online solely because they can't "level cap" and thus be equal to all the other players.

What would everyone here think if CCP let us take 5% of our current SP total into the new game?

In my case with 50 million that would be 2.5 million into the new game.

Does that sound reasonable?

[quote=BARAGAMOS][quote=Himiko Kuronaga]
Lol, 'IRL dis happens'.



If the game is built in such a way that it can be dominated for 'years', there is a fundamental problem with the game design that is nothing to do with a handful of people having quicker SP gain. The design philosophy behind SP as a progression concept has to be wide rather than tall in anything 'competitive'.

Should the existence of high SP players at any stage be enough to wreck the game, then preventing there from being any at the start is just kicking the can down the road. After a year, there will be high SP veterans, and there will be incoming newbies. This is, apparently, the situation that must desperately be avoided at all costs including deleting everything people spent time and money on. How should that be resolved? Periodic wipes? No.

A healthy game must be able to have a vet population and a newbie population coexist. Demanding that we eliminate the vet population because otherwise there might be problems will accomplish nothing - if there are problems due to that, then there will be problems later on.

Do you think DUST started out in such a way that newbies were unable to compete? You yourself declare this to be the 'number one reason' behind newbies leaving. DUST started out on an even playing field. Everyone started out at 0 SP. Yet, by your own admission, we have this problem now that newbies can't compete with vets.

So balance things. Ensure that the newbies are always able to compete. Give them proper matchmaking until they're ready to enter the high brackets, etc. If this is done correctly, there's no harm in having vets exist. And vets will exist eventually, whether you have them at the start or not.

Ultimately, the only way carrying over some progression would damage the game is if the game was doomed to have those problems anyway.




And here we go off the deep end. I suppose you were violated a few too many times by big bad vets and so you've decided to cry on the forums for some perceived retribution. Well, have fun with that.

Dude you need to learn how to read. You did not even understand half of what was written here then you post idiocy. Try sounding out the words next time kid and use a dictionary for the ones you don't understand. As for big bad vets... dumbass I am one. Dominating a game is easiest in its infancy when SP gaps are magnified. Since you are to stupid to understand that let me help you. 6 million is twice as much as 3 million whereas it takes 50 million to double 25 million. I can tell you right now when the average player had 3 million SP in a planetary conquest environment those of us at 6 million felt like we were walking through them. The same would be true for a new game. Corps full of higher SP players will dominate that environment. Try to understand with your low IQ that Public contracts is not the only game mode. If you have a Planetary conquest or other hyper rewarding "open skill level" game mode it will be dominated by the elite class created by advantaging those of us that played this game. Kids not understanding their level of ignorance before they post......

I don't expect them to carry much over but I don't really see why we can't just do a full transfer. Their will only be 3000 max returning dust players and how many will be on at a time? Having a few veteran elites who dominate won't ruin the game and it will make noobs strive to get there themselves.