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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2016.03.06 17:18:00 -
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What would everyone here think if CCP let us take 5% of our current SP total into the new game?
In my case with 50 million that would be 2.5 million into the new game.
Does that sound reasonable?
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Radiant Pancake3
Y.A.M.A.H
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Posted - 2016.03.06 18:09:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:What would everyone here think if CCP let us take 5% of our current SP total into the new game?
In my case with 50 million that would be 2.5 million into the new game.
Does that sound reasonable? This would be pretty neat but I don't think they'll likely do it.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2016.03.06 19:38:00 -
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I think it also needs to depend on how progression works the next round.
2.5 million is not unreasonable with respect to Dust's current system, but it might be either way too much, or not enough depending upon what Phoenix is like.
It would be cool if they did that, even if it didn't seem terribly significant.
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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.03.06 20:18:00 -
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Or no....
Unreasonable is crying about a game that is dead, and expecting an unfair advantage in the new game. I have much more ISK, SP, and gear than 95% of the players of this game so I am losing much more than most players. I also understand that this was a game and its ending. I hope they produce a similar title in the future, but I do not expect to have an advantage over other players because I played an older title.
Grow up, and stop wanting advantages. Grind the next game like everyone else. You don't deserve and have not earned anything more than any other new player to that title has. If you feel you have you are seriously a childish neckbeard with issues. |
One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2016.03.06 20:38:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:Or no....
Unreasonable is crying about a game that is dead, and expecting an unfair advantage in the new game. I have much more ISK, SP, and gear than 95% of the players of this game so I am losing much more than most players. I also understand that this was a game and its ending. I hope they produce a similar title in the future, but I do not expect to have an advantage over other players because I played an older title.
Grow up, and stop wanting advantages. Grind the next game like everyone else. You don't deserve and have not earned anything more than any other new player to that title has. If you feel you have you are seriously a childish neckbeard with issues. It's not about advantages or entitlement, its about rewarding loyal players who put up with CCP's crap and mismanagement from the top for years.
I don't think it unreasonable to show a certain amount of respect for the fans that got you there to get a little something extra. Phoenix wouldn't even be around if it weren't for Dust, and I am sure it wouldn't be as complete a package (to whatever degree it is complete that is) without the crowd sourcing and many hours of talk, theorycrafting, and experimentation from the community.
No one is asking for anything unfair, and the context of the original post suggests someone who is just throwing out ideas and wanting to make sure that what is being asked ISN'T unreasonable. There have been plenty of entitled players coming through here, and I don't see the point of lumping the OP in given a clear, coherent, and logical question.
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Nirwanda Vaughns
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Posted - 2016.03.06 22:17:00 -
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I'd like there to be rwards based not only on Loyalty ranks but other things like joining early beta/Mordus private trials, Mystery code owners (from second decade collectors) perhaps templar code owners too, whether it be SKINs or something in merc quarters like statue/plaque.
Perhaps 5-10% of SP carried over or perhaps SP carried over could/would be related to loyalty ranks, 1% per loyalty rank for example.
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Maken Tosch
Dust University Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.03.06 22:25:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:Or no....
Unreasonable is crying about a game that is dead, and expecting an unfair advantage in the new game. I have much more ISK, SP, and gear than 95% of the players of this game so I am losing much more than most players. I also understand that this was a game and its ending. I hope they produce a similar title in the future, but I do not expect to have an advantage over other players because I played an older title.
Grow up, and stop wanting advantages. Grind the next game like everyone else. You don't deserve and have not earned anything more than any other new player to that title has. If you feel you have you are seriously a childish neckbeard with issues.
CCP Frame wrote:Since this new game will be different from DUST 514 (although keeping many of its great parts), we will provide tiered recognition rewards to our loyal DUST customers, details to be announced.
Straight from the man himself.
It's not unreasonable to expect some reward for our efforts given what is said here.
In regards to whether or not SP transfer of any kind if reasonable depends largely on the new game that CCP is now working on. Will SP progression be harder or easier in the new game for PC? If it will be easier in terms of SP, then no it is not reasonable to expect CCP to give you even 5% of your current lifetime SP from Dust to the new game. Keep in mind that in Dust 2.5 million SP is roughly enough to max out one dropsuit class to proto levels.
If SP progression were harder, then ok it is reasonable.
Another thing that is totally reasonable is having your name cross over to the new game with you still controlling it. This is honestly the one thing I truly believe CCP is capable of accomplishing for the community.
But I will tell you one thing that is unreasonable to ask for no matter what. Asking for ISK transfer, AUR transfer*, AUR consumable transfer*, BPO transfer**, other asset transfer.
* - With how easy it is to get free AUR these days (in addition to the CCP events that pumped more of them in) and how quickly you can accumulate AUR consumables from salvage such as the 'Pyrus' Allotek Assault Rifle it is obvious that trying to tell apart the FREE AUR from the cash-purchased AUR will be extremely difficult unless CCP manages to pull some black magic out of their hats to successfully do that. Honestly, I wouldn't trust their scripts to do this. Their scripts for assets can screw things up and have in the past.
** - Even if CCP were to be generous enough to transfer BPOs, don't expect them to work the same way in the new game. For all we know, CCP might convert them to work exactly like the Eve Online BPOs which require facilities and materials to use which will definitely cost the owner of the BPO plenty of ISK for its use.
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Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2016.03.06 22:28:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:I'd like there to be rwards based not only on Loyalty ranks but other things like joining early beta/Mordus private trials, Mystery code owners (from second decade collectors) perhaps templar code owners too, whether it be SKINs or something in merc quarters like statue/plaque.
Perhaps 5-10% of SP carried over or perhaps SP carried over could/would be related to loyalty ranks, 1% per loyalty rank for example.
I agree with all but sp..some neckbeards are 200m+ sure not a lot but still an unfair advantage..I could see all vets starting at something reasonable but not a huge advantage..perhaps the loyalty one I would be fine with that
And I wonder if Imperfects will finally get their black ops lav bpo..=ƒñö |
Maken Tosch
Dust University Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.03.06 22:33:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:I'd like there to be rwards based not only on Loyalty ranks but other things like joining early beta/Mordus private trials, Mystery code owners (from second decade collectors) perhaps templar code owners too, whether it be SKINs or something in merc quarters like statue/plaque.
Perhaps 5-10% of SP carried over or perhaps SP carried over could/would be related to loyalty ranks, 1% per loyalty rank for example.
I agree with all but sp..some neckbeards are 200m+ sure not a lot but still an unfair advantage..I could see all vets starting at something reasonable but not a huge advantage..perhaps the loyalty one I would be fine with that And I wonder if Imperfects will finally get their black ops lav bpo..=ƒñö Also I'm sitting at 116k aur..nothing worth my time came for me to spend it..I don't really care to get it back but it would make a difference as id actually spend money on the new game..if I lose my aur then that is fine but I won't spend anymore money on Eve fps
How much of that is FREE AUR and how much of that is cash-purchased?
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Operative 1174 Uuali
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
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Posted - 2016.03.06 22:53:00 -
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100 Black Eagle scout suits for you!
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Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2016.03.06 23:13:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:I'd like there to be rwards based not only on Loyalty ranks but other things like joining early beta/Mordus private trials, Mystery code owners (from second decade collectors) perhaps templar code owners too, whether it be SKINs or something in merc quarters like statue/plaque.
Perhaps 5-10% of SP carried over or perhaps SP carried over could/would be related to loyalty ranks, 1% per loyalty rank for example.
I agree with all but sp..some neckbeards are 200m+ sure not a lot but still an unfair advantage..I could see all vets starting at something reasonable but not a huge advantage..perhaps the loyalty one I would be fine with that And I wonder if Imperfects will finally get their black ops lav bpo..=ƒñö Also I'm sitting at 116k aur..nothing worth my time came for me to spend it..I don't really care to get it back but it would make a difference as id actually spend money on the new game..if I lose my aur then that is fine but I won't spend anymore money on Eve fps How much of that is FREE AUR and how much of that is cash-purchased? Let's say 16k is free even though that is more than what I got free.. https://m.imgur.com/YtlSnoA,VRMOPQV |
Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2016.03.07 03:55:00 -
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Oh, wow, got quite a few people talking with this.
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Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2016.03.07 04:28:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Oh, wow, got quite a few people talking with this. honestly i'd say a skin for being here 1+ years, 50m+ sp, a $ next to your name or something for 500m+ isk and of course a special skin for the closed beta players... people aren't fond of bpo's so that's why i'm saying skin for everything
I'd like the closed beta players to get a mordu's skin but that is a touchy subject ._. and i think every tourney winner should get something idk what, Imps closed beta, Whoever won the squad cup and those who named a weapon should get something for their time invested
Have a reaper on the back of all your suits and vehicles if you participated in 50+ pc's for those thinking i'm entitled yes i hear that often but this is just me throwing out ideas i do NOT expect any of it
could do something for all time WP's, kills, objects hacked
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2016.03.07 08:55:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:What would everyone here think if CCP let us take 5% of our current SP total into the new game?
In my case with 50 million that would be 2.5 million into the new game.
Does that sound reasonable?
If someone actually gets angry enough, there is enough material for a false advertisement lawsuit on the grounds that Rouge claimed all meaningful progression would transfer during FF14. A lot of people invested heavily specifically for that reason.
5% would be a slap to the face. I imagine even 50% would.
The best way to fix this situation would be to take the amount of SP someone has now, and backload passive and active SP gain for them in the future so that they acquire SP at a rapid pace until its all caught up to its original amount. That way everyone starts off on even ground, but there is a clear advantage in progression for those who already invested heavily.
Think of it like having triple omegas on all the time until you hit a certain amount of SP.
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LOL KILLZ
LulKlz
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Posted - 2016.03.07 18:17:00 -
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I'd like to have my sp, all of it but it's probably not gonna happen and I'm not gonna whine about it. Though I would SERIOUSLY want for them to transfer all our BPO assets. **** ISK.
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Bremen van Equis
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2016.03.07 18:38:00 -
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One cookie per 10 million SP earned in dust.
Cookies are the new tacos.
Bacon is dead.
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Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2016.03.07 18:39:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:What would everyone here think if CCP let us take 5% of our current SP total into the new game?
In my case with 50 million that would be 2.5 million into the new game.
Does that sound reasonable? If someone actually gets angry enough, there is enough material for a false advertisement lawsuit on the grounds that Rouge claimed all meaningful progression would transfer during FF14. A lot of people invested heavily specifically for that reason. 5% would be a slap to the face. I imagine even 50% would. The best way to fix this situation would be to take the amount of SP someone has now, and backload passive and active SP gain for them in the future so that they acquire SP at a rapid pace until its all caught up to its original amount. That way everyone starts off on even ground, but there is a clear advantage in progression for those who already invested heavily. If someone new wants to keep pace with them, they can invest in boosters. Think of it like having triple omegas on all the time until you hit a certain amount of SP. Cuz I don't feel like digging it all up I'll just link this https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2131573#post2131573 For those who doubt Himi, he speaks the truth..a lot was supposed to transfer but now we're getting nothing till told otherwise =ƒÿÜ
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Maken Tosch
Dust University Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.03.07 19:44:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:What would everyone here think if CCP let us take 5% of our current SP total into the new game?
In my case with 50 million that would be 2.5 million into the new game.
Does that sound reasonable? If someone actually gets angry enough, there is enough material for a false advertisement lawsuit on the grounds that Rouge claimed all meaningful progression would transfer during FF14. A lot of people invested heavily specifically for that reason. 5% would be a slap to the face. I imagine even 50% would. The best way to fix this situation would be to take the amount of SP someone has now, and backload passive and active SP gain for them in the future so that they acquire SP at a rapid pace until its all caught up to its original amount. That way everyone starts off on even ground, but there is a clear advantage in progression for those who already invested heavily. If someone new wants to keep pace with them, they can invest in boosters. Think of it like having triple omegas on all the time until you hit a certain amount of SP. Cuz I don't feel like digging it all up I'll just link this https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2131573#post2131573For those who doubt Himi, he speaks the truth..a lot was supposed to transfer but now we're getting nothing till told otherwise =ƒÿÜ OG post https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=160232
CCP Rouge wrote:You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you.
I believe the key word there is APPLICABLE.
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Lt Royal
Subdreddit
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Posted - 2016.03.07 19:54:00 -
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I think it would be refreshing starting out a new anyway; especially seeing how many new players there will be because of PC.
Just keeping character names, possibly keeping BPO's for manufacturing purposes and some kind of metal or trophy to hang on my wall or table would be fine for me.
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Maken Tosch
Dust University Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.03.07 19:57:00 -
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Lt Royal wrote:I think it would be refreshing starting out a new anyway; especially seeing how many new players there will be because of PC.
Just keeping character names, possibly keeping BPO's for manufacturing purposes and some kind of metal or trophy to hang on my wall or table would be fine for me.
I agree. The only thing I personally request from CCP is that I keep my name.
My assets, ISK, AUR, hell even my BPOs can all die in a fire.
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Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2016.03.07 21:08:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Lt Royal wrote:I think it would be refreshing starting out a new anyway; especially seeing how many new players there will be because of PC.
Just keeping character names, possibly keeping BPO's for manufacturing purposes and some kind of metal or trophy to hang on my wall or table would be fine for me. I agree. The only thing I personally request from CCP is that I keep my name. My assets, ISK, AUR, hell even my BPOs can all die in a fire. I agree but it would be nice to get something else too..something that says hey I was part of Mordu's Not a whole lot of us stuck around so it would be nice to get the recognition for staying through everything..I mean replication hardfroze my PS3 every other match =ƒÿü how many new "vets" can say they stuck around through that=ƒÿ¥
But yeah as long as I keep my name then I'm fine..I'm just saying I wouldn't mind the extra =ƒÿÅ |
Heathen Bastard
The Bastard Brigade
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Posted - 2016.03.08 04:17:00 -
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I believe the reward was acknowledging us this time. unlike the legion announcement where they simply snubbed Dust players at the dust part of fanfest.
CCP "logic": Why fix something when we can &^%$ all over everyone who believed in us.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2016.03.08 12:34:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:What would everyone here think if CCP let us take 5% of our current SP total into the new game?
In my case with 50 million that would be 2.5 million into the new game.
Does that sound reasonable? If someone actually gets angry enough, there is enough material for a false advertisement lawsuit on the grounds that Rouge claimed all meaningful progression would transfer during FF14. A lot of people invested heavily specifically for that reason. 5% would be a slap to the face. I imagine even 50% would. The best way to fix this situation would be to take the amount of SP someone has now, and backload passive and active SP gain for them in the future so that they acquire SP at a rapid pace until its all caught up to its original amount. That way everyone starts off on even ground, but there is a clear advantage in progression for those who already invested heavily. If someone new wants to keep pace with them, they can invest in boosters. Think of it like having triple omegas on all the time until you hit a certain amount of SP. Cuz I don't feel like digging it all up I'll just link this https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2131573#post2131573For those who doubt Himi, he speaks the truth..a lot was supposed to transfer but now we're getting nothing till told otherwise =ƒÿÜ OG post https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=160232 CCP Rouge wrote:You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. I believe the key word there is APPLICABLE.
Heavy implication is enough to bring it to court. It may not win, but it can easily go to court and that is where the money is lost. I don't think CCP or the players want that outcome.
They need to do right by the players who invested and not be money grubbers right now. Mostly it will be a new audience anyway, so its not like doing the right thing is costing them a lot in the long run.
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Bremen van Equis
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2016.03.08 13:59:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:CCP Rouge wrote:You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. Heavy implication is enough to bring it to court. It may not win, but it can easily go to court and that is where the money is lost. I don't think CCP or the players want that outcome. They need to do right by the players who invested and not be money grubbers right now. Mostly it will be a new audience anyway, so its not like doing the right thing is costing them a lot in the long run.
I believe you're all referencing a project that is now dead (read: Project Legion). If you want a new project that in no way resembles the game you're all so passionate about, then by all means keep bringing up the idea of legal action.
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steadyhand amarr
shadows of 514
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Posted - 2016.03.08 14:19:00 -
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Noone at any point was forced to play this game. Expecting an advantage or some kind of badge is the hight of childness.
Ccp will natural show some kind of rec for old vets. But to expect /demand it is just stuiped. And if you won't play the game because you didn't get a pat on the head is frankly a good thing because we don't want your ****** attudude in the new communty that will form.
General aimed post at people demanding stuff
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
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Posted - 2016.03.08 19:49:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:What would everyone here think if CCP let us take 5% of our current SP total into the new game?
In my case with 50 million that would be 2.5 million into the new game.
Does that sound reasonable?
My guess is that it will be something to do with loyalty rank. It may be a horribly broken formula but obviously CCP thinks it worked.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2016.03.08 20:01:00 -
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Bremen van Equis wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:CCP Rouge wrote:You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. Heavy implication is enough to bring it to court. It may not win, but it can easily go to court and that is where the money is lost. I don't think CCP or the players want that outcome. They need to do right by the players who invested and not be money grubbers right now. Mostly it will be a new audience anyway, so its not like doing the right thing is costing them a lot in the long run. I believe you're all referencing a project that is now dead (read: Project Legion). If you want a new project that in no way resembles the game you're all so passionate about, then by all means keep bringing up the idea of legal action.
There would have to be enough of a significant difference between Dust and the new game to warrant the justification. And though CCP claims this currently, we all know that's likely smoke being blown. When the chips are down, CCP generally half-asses new projects when there are old concepts to cling to. When your team is cut to ribbons, this applies even moreso.
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2016.03.09 04:46:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Bremen van Equis wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:CCP Rouge wrote:You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. Heavy implication is enough to bring it to court. It may not win, but it can easily go to court and that is where the money is lost. I don't think CCP or the players want that outcome. They need to do right by the players who invested and not be money grubbers right now. Mostly it will be a new audience anyway, so its not like doing the right thing is costing them a lot in the long run. I believe you're all referencing a project that is now dead (read: Project Legion). If you want a new project that in no way resembles the game you're all so passionate about, then by all means keep bringing up the idea of legal action. There would have to be enough of a significant difference between Dust and the new game to warrant the justification. And though CCP claims this currently, we all know that's likely smoke being blown. When the chips are down, CCP generally half-asses new projects when there are old concepts to cling to. When your team is cut to ribbons, this applies even moreso. The idea of trying to take legal action over a video game is asinine, Himi. Admit it.
Free-to-play games have been shut down many times over the years and you haven't seen their players going on about taking the company to court. You've got no more ammunition here than you would in those cases.
Anyone who wants to quit over not carrying all their stuff over, that's your call, but you're going to get nowhere at all trying to claim that the company owes you money because they're shutting down their game.
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dreth longbow
Bank of DUST 514
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Posted - 2016.03.09 05:34:00 -
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- the new game will be similar to this game,
many people have invested into this game, the things CCP learned/developed in this game will be used for the new game, People should be rewarded for their investment into this game in the next game,
Some people don't think the same as me, some think more than me. I would remind people that when a company develops a game they beta test it first by inviting players to play so they can make tweeks and stress test the code and network. When the game is released those people who put up with the problems are rewarded by keeping all that they have earned and they in turn have an advantage over people coming in. this is just the way it is, people cry and say it is not fair to the new players, but their will always be new players and they will always be at a disadvantage. Imagine creating an account in EVE and expecting to have sp and isk levels like 80% of the players who have been playing for the last 10 years, ridiculous!
We the players of Dust have done our part and it is only fair that we be rewarded for it, it is a reasonable expectation and a reasonable solution.
Lets all give CCP a chance to give us some info.
HINT! CCP you should have had this planned out already to minimize the speculation. Someone is not doing their job and the delay is hurting the player base, but thanks for the notice anyways.
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Kalante Schiffer
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2016.03.09 10:05:00 -
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As for the new game we do not know how it will play out, perhaps it will be very different from dust. If it is very gear oriented then yeah. Transferring assets would be a really bad idea but the result will be the same at the end of the day when it comes to talented players. What are yall gonna do? nerf them?
Also next time, CCP should really listen to people who know what they are doing in very specific areas of the game. You want to know about what could make combat mechanics and gun balancing better? ask the competitive players, those are the ones who know the meta in depth. Wanna know about tanks? then ask the tanker community. Something like that. Not gathering around some eve neckbeards who have ZERO knowledge of how an fps works much less give feedback on how it should be. |
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