DUST Search - "Tiered Recognition Rewards"

Maken Tosch wrote:

LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

I think we can safely guarantee that the new game will be match-based in some way when it releases. Deeper integration and "open-world" stuff will probably be later.

I hope you are wrong.

A lobby shooter and an open world MMO type game are just too far apart. We already saw what a disaster blending the two was with Planetary Conquest. MMO mechanics have no place in a lobby shooter and lobby shooter mechanics have no place in a MMO.

Actually, they do have a place to merge well with each other if done well.

Here is an example of how I interpret to be a very good blend between lobby shooting and open world gameplay. You will notice the similarity it has with Eve Online's PvEvP mission setup where you can run an NPE mission but can get disrupted by a third party who has no business being there because somehow they scanned down your mission site.

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1RS-BGbH0RXPVPBx034j4GAInnoW8a8cBfjL5XnO2eiU/edit?usp=sharing

I made some modification to the layout recently so as to include an uninvited & disruptive 3rd party whose only focus is to steal as much loot from the contracted mercs as possible. Contracted mercs can defend themselves and the loot they salvaged should any of it get stolen which can cause the 3rd party to be flagged as criminals.

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1U6hArz8JY-QD3ZEGYxqXepq2v43ymPmP_-7eaZ9C0ic/edit?usp=sharing

Or something to that effect. It will have a sense of lobby shooting but it's still MMO in nature. Arenas where two sides compete for glory can be something that is offered as an additional option if the player is not in the mood for an MMO setting. Eve Online has a duel system in place where two players can send a duel request to each other and safely fight in high-sec without anyone interfering and without the need for any complicated war decs. Eve Online does have its own annual tournament hosted by CCP as well. In fact, one will be underway at Fanfest later this year if I remember correctly to see which qualified set of players will come out on top to determine the next emperor or empress of the Amarr Empire. The Amarr Championship.

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LOOKMOM NOHANDS 717	Posted - 2016.03.08 19:49:00 - [1] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: What would everyone here think if CCP let us take 5% of our current SP total into the new game? In my case with 50 million that would be 2.5 million into the new game. Does that sound reasonable? My guess is that it will be something to do with loyalty rank. It may be a horribly broken formula but obviously CCP thinks it worked. Tiered = Levels = Loyalty Ranks
LOOKMOM NOHANDS 726	Posted - 2016.03.10 01:13:00 - [2] - Quote What if they made it like Eve where SP is only passive and they gave us SP based on if we had been active in the game since the day we started Dust.
LOOKMOM NOHANDS 756	Posted - 2016.03.14 10:43:00 - [3] - Quote Alena Asakura wrote: I'm already preparing to go back to EvE. Now I've had a break from EvE via Dust, I reckon if there's anything I don't like in the new Dust (very likely), I'll just head back to EvE, advising as many as I can on the way to do the same. :) This is exactly why CCP:FPS2 on PC has always been a bad idea. It mostly divides their current player base giving them more expenses and basically the same money.
LOOKMOM NOHANDS 858	Posted - 2016.03.30 22:03:00 - [4] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: I think we can safely guarantee that the new game will be match-based in some way when it releases. Deeper integration and "open-world" stuff will probably be later. I hope you are wrong. A lobby shooter and an open world MMO type game are just too far apart. We already saw what a disaster blending the two was with Planetary Conquest. MMO mechanics have no place in a lobby shooter and lobby shooter mechanics have no place in a MMO. I think that if CCP decided they just wanted to really make a lobby shooter instead of a full on MMO I would be pretty happy. While CCP may have a history of mismanaging things they have proven very well that when sticking to a given path they can bring unique aspects into the game and can make something we all end up loving even if it is loving to hate it. One of Dusts main failures in my opinion was that there was never any true path FOR DUST. Everything was about Eve integration at the start which caused all sorts of hypothetical situations to block any type of progress. It was always "Well if we do this then later on it will break that when we try to integrate with Eve." I think CCP Rouge really saw this as he made some references directly to avoiding that kind of stuff when Legion was announced and I am very excited to hopefully get to see CCP Rattati and CCP Rouge and the entire CCP Shanghai team really have an optimal environment for just plain making a good game. We have seen that they can pump out a pretty good product with GunJack. We have seen that Rattati can manage the **** out of a game. We have seen what CCP Newcastle did with Hilmar and the other upper level management getting a bit less "handsy" and just letting the guys work. I am cautiously more excited about this new game than I have ever been about any game just because I see a perfect storm forming to blow all of us away. I just SERIOUSLY hope they have more than a trailer to show at fanfest as that would kind of bring back nightmares of the Dust launch with a lot of talk and no visible concrete action.
LOOKMOM NOHANDS 860	Posted - 2016.03.31 08:52:00 - [5] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: I think we can safely guarantee that the new game will be match-based in some way when it releases. Deeper integration and "open-world" stuff will probably be later. I hope you are wrong. A lobby shooter and an open world MMO type game are just too far apart. We already saw what a disaster blending the two was with Planetary Conquest. MMO mechanics have no place in a lobby shooter and lobby shooter mechanics have no place in a MMO. Actually, they do have a place to merge well with each other if done well. Here is an example of how I interpret to be a very good blend between lobby shooting and open world gameplay. You will notice the similarity it has with Eve Online's PvEvP mission setup where you can run an NPE mission but can get disrupted by a third party who has no business being there because somehow they scanned down your mission site. https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1RS-BGbH0RXPVPBx034j4GAInnoW8a8cBfjL5XnO2eiU/edit?usp=sharing I made some modification to the layout recently so as to include an uninvited & disruptive 3rd party whose only focus is to steal as much loot from the contracted mercs as possible. Contracted mercs can defend themselves and the loot they salvaged should any of it get stolen which can cause the 3rd party to be flagged as criminals. https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1U6hArz8JY-QD3ZEGYxqXepq2v43ymPmP_-7eaZ9C0ic/edit?usp=sharing Or something to that effect. It will have a sense of lobby shooting but it's still MMO in nature. Arenas where two sides compete for glory can be something that is offered as an additional option if the player is not in the mood for an MMO setting. Eve Online has a duel system in place where two players can send a duel request to each other and safely fight in high-sec without anyone interfering and without the need for any complicated war decs. Eve Online does have its own annual tournament hosted by CCP as well. In fact, one will be underway at Fanfest later this year if I remember correctly to see which qualified set of players will come out on top to determine the next emperor or empress of the Amarr Empire. The Amarr Championship. Mission running in Eve is purely open world. There is nothing match based about it, you get a mission you go out in the world to run it, and whatever happens happens. Your second document goes along the same line of being purely open world with missions that take the place of just a regular match. Maybe we have a difference of opinion of what lobby shooter mechanics are.