You shot down my 50% accelerated SP idea for vets, so I imagine you're at the forefront of banning SP boosters too than, right?

Its the same idea. It creates an elite class that will dominate a new game. I have billions in assets, over four dozen BPOs, and more SP than 99% of the player base. So I am losing more than most, but I also understand that a new game will not be successful if they let me and my associates start out light years ahead of the other players. Their was originally a low SP cap on this game to prevent that from happening. Starting me off in God mode even if it does not really kick in for 3 months because of boosters of transfers is still "starting me off in GOD mode".

Competitive shooters have a lot of ego and E-peen tied to them. Most of the players will stop playing when they feel left behind.

People would really give CCP more money for another trash game? I tried that here and was met with failure after failure and then shut down. Face it Dust was pay to lose. These douchebags gave me 3 out of the 10 years, that they advertised to make me spend money.

Tell us how you really feel.

Given the new game will almost certainly be free-to-play as well, we're all free to try it out with as much skepticism as we want.

Kind of the way I feel myself, even though I'm fairly sure CCP is set on the idea of a full reset with nothing carried over.

No matter how well balanced the game is and how much reasoning can be presented for how keeping our current characters and assets wouldn't harm anything, there would be large numbers of people who refused to even try the game because we got to keep our stuff.

It's not about balance, it's about e-peen, same as the people who say they'll never play EVE Online solely because they can't "level cap" and thus be equal to all the other players.

No matter how well balanced the game is and how much reasoning can be presented for how keeping our current characters and assets wouldn't harm anything, there would be large numbers of people who refused to even try the game because we got to keep our stuff.

I will continue to ask this question.

If this is so gamebreaking at day one, why is it not gamebreaking 3-6 months down the line?

Do new players only show up day one and then never again?

Assets I can sort of understand given that a HUGE amount of ISK was made through the blue donut and Alt ISK Farming, but SP was earned. Hell, if they could just remove all passive SP and give us the remaining as a bonus pool (aquired 50% faster) that would be far more than enough. I'm prepared to receive nothing for the time or money I put into the game, I just think it's a pretty fail argument to say it's gamebreaking at day one but totally ok a little later on.

I think we can safely guarantee that the new game will be match-based in some way when it releases. Deeper integration and "open-world" stuff will probably be later.

I hope you are wrong.

A lobby shooter and an open world MMO type game are just too far apart. We already saw what a disaster blending the two was with Planetary Conquest. MMO mechanics have no place in a lobby shooter and lobby shooter mechanics have no place in a MMO.

I think we can safely guarantee that the new game will be match-based in some way when it releases. Deeper integration and "open-world" stuff will probably be later.

Actually, they do have a place to merge well with each other if done well.

Here is an example of how I interpret to be a very good blend between lobby shooting and open world gameplay. You will notice the similarity it has with Eve Online's PvEvP mission setup where you can run an NPE mission but can get disrupted by a third party who has no business being there because somehow they scanned down your mission site.

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1RS-BGbH0RXPVPBx034j4GAInnoW8a8cBfjL5XnO2eiU/edit?usp=sharing

I made some modification to the layout recently so as to include an uninvited & disruptive 3rd party whose only focus is to steal as much loot from the contracted mercs as possible. Contracted mercs can defend themselves and the loot they salvaged should any of it get stolen which can cause the 3rd party to be flagged as criminals.

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1U6hArz8JY-QD3ZEGYxqXepq2v43ymPmP_-7eaZ9C0ic/edit?usp=sharing

Or something to that effect. It will have a sense of lobby shooting but it's still MMO in nature. Arenas where two sides compete for glory can be something that is offered as an additional option if the player is not in the mood for an MMO setting. Eve Online has a duel system in place where two players can send a duel request to each other and safely fight in high-sec without anyone interfering and without the need for any complicated war decs. Eve Online does have its own annual tournament hosted by CCP as well. In fact, one will be underway at Fanfest later this year if I remember correctly to see which qualified set of players will come out on top to determine the next emperor or empress of the Amarr Empire. The Amarr Championship.

Mission running in Eve is purely open world. There is nothing match based about it, you get a mission you go out in the world to run it, and whatever happens happens.

Your second document goes along the same line of being purely open world with missions that take the place of just a regular match.


Maybe we have a difference of opinion of what lobby shooter mechanics are.

In a way, I do see Eve Online's mission running system as a lobby of sorts. If look at how they are offered to players who contact NPC agents of various levels (each with their own prerequisites to access them) and since the sites are only available to two groups of players, those who accept the NPC contracts and those who have the experience to scan down the mission sites without the contracts, along with each mission sometimes structured with acceleration gates to access pockets of deadspace, it's pretty obvious to me that these are similar to lobby settings. They just happen to have open-world elements added to them.

And for those who don't know anything about acceleration gates and deadspace in Eve Online:

Acceleration gates are NPC-controlled structures that function kind of like stargates but instead of jumping to another system you are flung to an area of space that can't be directly warped to (even when scanned down) without it and you can't warp to a distant point within the grid unlike the rest of the system you're in. Those areas of space are called deadspace.

EDIT: In the New Eden FPS for PC, deadspace-like areas could be simulated via the use of those nifty portals that CCP Rattati and his team were experimenting with earlier.

It would still technically be "open world" since you don't just open up a menu and press a button and go to battle like the current system.

Actually, Eve Online's mission system (though technically open world) does have a menu where you press a button and go to battle. It's called having a conversation with the NPC agent, accepting the contract during the conversation, and then warping your ship to the site. It's just far more involved than merely looking at a loading screen.