DUST Search - "Tiered Recognition Rewards"

Maken Tosch wrote:

Heimdallr69 wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

What would everyone here think if CCP let us take 5% of our current SP total into the new game?

In my case with 50 million that would be 2.5 million into the new game.

Does that sound reasonable?

If someone actually gets angry enough, there is enough material for a false advertisement lawsuit on the grounds that Rouge claimed all meaningful progression would transfer during FF14. A lot of people invested heavily specifically for that reason.

5% would be a slap to the face. I imagine even 50% would.

The best way to fix this situation would be to take the amount of SP someone has now, and backload passive and active SP gain for them in the future so that they acquire SP at a rapid pace until its all caught up to its original amount. That way everyone starts off on even ground, but there is a clear advantage in progression for those who already invested heavily. If someone new wants to keep pace with them, they can invest in boosters.

Think of it like having triple omegas on all the time until you hit a certain amount of SP.

Cuz I don't feel like digging it all up I'll just link this https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2131573#post2131573
For those who doubt Himi, he speaks the truth..a lot was supposed to transfer but now we're getting nothing till told otherwise =ƒÿÜ

OG post https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=160232

CCP Rouge wrote:

You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you.

I believe the key word there is APPLICABLE.


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Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2016.03.07 08:55:00 - [1] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: What would everyone here think if CCP let us take 5% of our current SP total into the new game? In my case with 50 million that would be 2.5 million into the new game. Does that sound reasonable? If someone actually gets angry enough, there is enough material for a false advertisement lawsuit on the grounds that Rouge claimed all meaningful progression would transfer during FF14. A lot of people invested heavily specifically for that reason. 5% would be a slap to the face. I imagine even 50% would. The best way to fix this situation would be to take the amount of SP someone has now, and backload passive and active SP gain for them in the future so that they acquire SP at a rapid pace until its all caught up to its original amount. That way everyone starts off on even ground, but there is a clear advantage in progression for those who already invested heavily. Think of it like having triple omegas on all the time until you hit a certain amount of SP. This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2016.03.08 12:34:00 - [2] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: What would everyone here think if CCP let us take 5% of our current SP total into the new game? In my case with 50 million that would be 2.5 million into the new game. Does that sound reasonable? If someone actually gets angry enough, there is enough material for a false advertisement lawsuit on the grounds that Rouge claimed all meaningful progression would transfer during FF14. A lot of people invested heavily specifically for that reason. 5% would be a slap to the face. I imagine even 50% would. The best way to fix this situation would be to take the amount of SP someone has now, and backload passive and active SP gain for them in the future so that they acquire SP at a rapid pace until its all caught up to its original amount. That way everyone starts off on even ground, but there is a clear advantage in progression for those who already invested heavily. If someone new wants to keep pace with them, they can invest in boosters. Think of it like having triple omegas on all the time until you hit a certain amount of SP. Cuz I don't feel like digging it all up I'll just link this https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2131573#post2131573 For those who doubt Himi, he speaks the truth..a lot was supposed to transfer but now we're getting nothing till told otherwise =ƒÿÜ OG post https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=160232 CCP Rouge wrote: You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. I believe the key word there is APPLICABLE. Heavy implication is enough to bring it to court. It may not win, but it can easily go to court and that is where the money is lost. I don't think CCP or the players want that outcome. They need to do right by the players who invested and not be money grubbers right now. Mostly it will be a new audience anyway, so its not like doing the right thing is costing them a lot in the long run. This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2016.03.08 20:01:00 - [3] - Quote Bremen van Equis wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. Heavy implication is enough to bring it to court. It may not win, but it can easily go to court and that is where the money is lost. I don't think CCP or the players want that outcome. They need to do right by the players who invested and not be money grubbers right now. Mostly it will be a new audience anyway, so its not like doing the right thing is costing them a lot in the long run. I believe you're all referencing a project that is now dead (read: Project Legion). If you want a new project that in no way resembles the game you're all so passionate about, then by all means keep bringing up the idea of legal action. There would have to be enough of a significant difference between Dust and the new game to warrant the justification. And though CCP claims this currently, we all know that's likely smoke being blown. When the chips are down, CCP generally half-asses new projects when there are old concepts to cling to. When your team is cut to ribbons, this applies even moreso. This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2016.03.11 03:29:00 - [4] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Bremen van Equis wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Rouge wrote: You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. Heavy implication is enough to bring it to court. It may not win, but it can easily go to court and that is where the money is lost. I don't think CCP or the players want that outcome. They need to do right by the players who invested and not be money grubbers right now. Mostly it will be a new audience anyway, so its not like doing the right thing is costing them a lot in the long run. I believe you're all referencing a project that is now dead (read: Project Legion). If you want a new project that in no way resembles the game you're all so passionate about, then by all means keep bringing up the idea of legal action. There would have to be enough of a significant difference between Dust and the new game to warrant the justification. And though CCP claims this currently, we all know that's likely smoke being blown. When the chips are down, CCP generally half-asses new projects when there are old concepts to cling to. When your team is cut to ribbons, this applies even moreso. The idea of trying to take legal action over a video game is asinine, Himi. Admit it. Free-to-play games have been shut down many times over the years and you haven't seen their players going on about taking the company to court. You've got no more ammunition here than you would in those cases. Two key differences. The first is that Dust is not shutting down. It is transitioning to a new state. The second is that other companies don't make the mistake of using an event like Fanfest as a giant advertising platform and then blatantly get into the practice of false advertising. In most situations, CCP covers their ass whenever they show footage of something by saying "work in progress, subject to change" or some other disclaimer. No such thing happened with this, though. It was a panic mode assurance that it would happen, and Rouge was adamant about it. Now its not happening, after money has already been collected and that makes it false advertisement. This is exactly the type of scenario that class action lawsuits start over. This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2016.03.11 19:24:00 - [5] - Quote Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, I see. As I said before, if somebody was truly angry enough to do it, there is enough material to do it. I never once said I was that angry, or cared enough. The game was trash and the next game will probably be just as bad, but with more hacking. Why would I waste my time and money just to screw with them? I'm also not convinced it will be an entirely new game. This was already covered before. It doesn't matter what CCP claims. If it has the exact same model as this one, it's the same thing. Changing the name doesn't make it something different. If it did, it wouldn't be relevant to any of you and they wouldn't bother giving "tiered recognition rewards" or whatever. It will be more of the same because CCP is CCP and they can do no better. This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2016.03.12 05:27:00 - [6] - Quote In life, people usually sue for two reasons. First, to get money. I mean thats really the motivating factor for 99% of lawsuits, it has nothing to do with right or wrong. The rest of the time it's to strong arm someone into doing what you want. And quite often, the threat of it happening is enough to get the desired result. I would not be entirely saddened to see someone lose it and go after CCP, thus getting all of us what we earned (or paid for) in the process. If only because it seems clear that CCP has no intention of doing the right thing currently. This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2016.03.14 04:37:00 - [7] - Quote Arkena nailed it but I feel like CCP is the type of devteam that would rather cover up a problem instead of fix it. They've always been about the short term solution and its what has constantly harmed the long-term health of all of their games. They are especially fond of doing this during early development when that oh-so-important groundwork is being laid out. Pretty sure they will happily wipe our stats and say something like "We need to do this now, but we will have a solution for SP gaps in the future" and then they will either never have a solution, or it will be so horrifying that the game is just bad. CCP Z's ideas for Legion progression were pure cancer, and I'm genuinely terrified of what he is going to do with this. This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.