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Lightning35 Delta514
Federation Marines 62
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Posted - 2016.03.09 11:51:00 -
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Mmm
Nah
I want my name, sp, and bpos/skins. All else doesn't matter.
Only name sp and skills
CEO of Federation Marines 62 - Bravo Company
Gallente Loyalist - Quafe
Gk.0s/Gv.0s - 63m SP
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2016.03.09 13:59:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Mmm
Nah
I want my name, sp, and bpos/skins. All else doesn't matter.
Only name sp and skills I think it's highly unliked SP or BPOs will be transferred.
We might get to keep -some- SP but imagine trying to explain to new players of the new game that the people coming in from the console game with over 200 million SP doesn't mean they shouldn't play.
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Lightning35 Delta514
Federation Marines 62
4
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Posted - 2016.03.09 14:03:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Mmm
Nah
I want my name, sp, and bpos/skins. All else doesn't matter.
Only name sp and skills I think it's highly unliked SP or BPOs will be transferred. We might get to keep -some- SP but imagine trying to explain to new players of the new game that the people coming in from the console game with over 200 million SP doesn't mean they shouldn't play.
well, dont forget, new game should and most likely will have improved matchmaking so those 200m sp players will play against players with similar skill/sp.
i, a 60m sp player, should not be put up against new players, but instead with people within a 50-70m sp range, etc etc etc.
CEO of Federation Marines 62 - Bravo Company
Gallente Loyalist - Quafe
Gk.0s/Gv.0s - 63m SP
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Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2016.03.09 14:25:00 -
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Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Mmm
Nah
I want my name, sp, and bpos/skins. All else doesn't matter.
Only name sp and skills I think it's highly unliked SP or BPOs will be transferred. We might get to keep -some- SP but imagine trying to explain to new players of the new game that the people coming in from the console game with over 200 million SP doesn't mean they shouldn't play. well, dont forget, new game should and most likely will have improved matchmaking so those 200m sp players will play against players with similar skill/sp. i, a 60m sp player, should not be put up against new players, but instead with people within a 50-70m sp range, etc etc etc. Who says we're even going to have the same skill system, though? Part of Project Legion was that even while changing almost no game mechanics they were going to completely redo the progression system.
There was talk of removing levels from Skills and just having a single unlock, and also requiring you to spec into a race's suits before you can unlock their weapons, so no more freedom of skill training.
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Lightning35 Delta514
Federation Marines 62
4
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Posted - 2016.03.09 14:30:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:Mmm
Nah
I want my name, sp, and bpos/skins. All else doesn't matter.
Only name sp and skills I think it's highly unliked SP or BPOs will be transferred. We might get to keep -some- SP but imagine trying to explain to new players of the new game that the people coming in from the console game with over 200 million SP doesn't mean they shouldn't play. well, dont forget, new game should and most likely will have improved matchmaking so those 200m sp players will play against players with similar skill/sp. i, a 60m sp player, should not be put up against new players, but instead with people within a 50-70m sp range, etc etc etc. Who says we're even going to have the same skill system, though? Part of Project Legion was that even while changing almost no game mechanics they were going to completely redo the progression system. There was talk of removing levels from Skills and just having a single unlock, and also requiring you to spec into a race's suits before you can unlock their weapons, so no more freedom of skill training.
Who says we won't?
I don't know how not legion will work but I can assure you that if there is a new and improved matchmaking system, giving us all our SP shouldn't be a big problem to new players.
CEO of Federation Marines 62 - Bravo Company
Gallente Loyalist - Quafe
Gk.0s/Gv.0s - 63m SP
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maybe deadcatz
Serris Inc
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Posted - 2016.03.09 14:42:00 -
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I saw the title of the thread. Yet I hear people going on with that "I want all my sp/bpos" bs again.
Face it. You WILL NOT be getting that. What these tiered recognition rewards will most likely be,is what the more intelligent players speculated.
Some kind of skin or customization item, titles and possibly a few free boosters.
All based on your characters loyalty rank and other factors.
So seriously,stop kidding yourselves. You won't have millions of sp and billions of isk.
Quit whining,if you don't like that,then don't play the new game.
And before you try to say anything, remember that this is a GAME, and a free to play one to boot. You CHOSE to put money into the game if you did,and I hope you enjoyed your intangible items.(that guy made such a good response I owe whoever that of that one a few next game isk)
To those who earned their sp/bpos,congrats I did the same thing.
Players of a game are meant to have fun playing it,and to influence proper growth to content,mechanics and features. Not make inane and stupid demands of the devs.
KNEEL!,BEFORE THE EMPIRE,KNEEL!
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Bremen van Equis
Incorruptibles
990
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Posted - 2016.03.09 16:25:00 -
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Anyone with at least 50M SP and at/above rank of Lieutenant gets a tramp stamp!
Buckle up, boysGǪthis ramp leads to space. -Axe Cop
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
1
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Posted - 2016.03.09 16:34:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:What would everyone here think if CCP let us take 5% of our current SP total into the new game?
Dear OP, I have a question - do you want to play this new %gamename% game?
Please support fair play!
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7th Son 7
Hakuna Matatah Inc
1
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Posted - 2016.03.09 16:36:00 -
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Bremen van Equis wrote:Anyone with at least 50M SP and at/above rank of Lieutenant gets a tramp stamp!
Yeah baby!!!
Only your complete and total awareness is needed, nothing else will do. ----- OSHO
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Bremen van Equis
Incorruptibles
992
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Posted - 2016.03.09 16:40:00 -
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7th Son 7 wrote:Bremen van Equis wrote:Anyone with at least 50M SP and at/above rank of Lieutenant gets a tramp stamp! Yeah baby!!!
Check out this back piece...it's sooo gnarly. I got it serving in Molden Heath!
Dude, that's a tramp stamp.
NO MAN, IT'S A TIERED REWARD!!
Dude, that's definitely a tramp stamp.
Buckle up, boysGǪthis ramp leads to space. -Axe Cop
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7th Son 7
Hakuna Matatah Inc
1
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Posted - 2016.03.09 17:01:00 -
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Bremen van Equis wrote:7th Son 7 wrote:Bremen van Equis wrote:Anyone with at least 50M SP and at/above rank of Lieutenant gets a tramp stamp! Yeah baby!!! Check out this back piece...it's sooo gnarly. I got it serving in Molden Heath! Dude, that's a tramp stamp. NO MAN, IT'S A TIERED REWARD!! Dude, that's definitely a tramp stamp.
lol, we joke but if someone is serious about taking something permanent or tangible from Dust, a tatoo might be the only way to go. It does'nt bother me that ISK, BPO's or SP will transfer, but you can't even really buy Dust merchandise anywhere . I would be happy with a damn t-shirt or something I could buy, lol.
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Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2016.03.09 18:00:00 -
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7th Son 7 wrote:Bremen van Equis wrote:7th Son 7 wrote:Bremen van Equis wrote:Anyone with at least 50M SP and at/above rank of Lieutenant gets a tramp stamp! Yeah baby!!! Check out this back piece...it's sooo gnarly. I got it serving in Molden Heath! Dude, that's a tramp stamp. NO MAN, IT'S A TIERED REWARD!! Dude, that's definitely a tramp stamp. lol, we joke but if someone is serious about taking something permanent or tangible from Dust, a tatoo might be the only way to go. It does'nt bother me that ISK, BPO's or SP will transfer, but you can't even really buy Dust merchandise anywhere . I would be happy with a damn t-shirt or something I could buy, lol. I got 5.14 inches =ƒñö now to collect dust |
Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2016.03.09 18:40:00 -
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John Psi wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:What would everyone here think if CCP let us take 5% of our current SP total into the new game? Dear OP, I have a question - do you want to play this new %gamename% game? Yes. Why?
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
1
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Posted - 2016.03.09 20:12:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:John Psi wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:What would everyone here think if CCP let us take 5% of our current SP total into the new game? Dear OP, I have a question - do you want to play this new %gamename% game? Yes. Why?
Cool. Change 5% in first post to 75%. Ty.
Please support fair play!
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
13
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Posted - 2016.03.10 01:10:00 -
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John Psi wrote:
Cool. Change 5% in first post to 75%. Ty.
Then watch CCP bump up the SP requirements by 75%.
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS
726
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Posted - 2016.03.10 01:13:00 -
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What if they made it like Eve where SP is only passive and they gave us SP based on if we had been active in the game since the day we started Dust. |
John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance
1
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Posted - 2016.03.10 02:01:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:John Psi wrote:
Cool. Change 5% in first post to 75%. Ty.
Then watch CCP bump up the SP requirements by 75%.
Maybe no. Maybe yes. Anyway, strange to be someone who predicts what he does not want.
Please support fair play!
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
13
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Posted - 2016.03.10 02:06:00 -
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:What if they made it like Eve where SP is only passive and they gave us SP based on if we had been active in the game since the day we started Dust.
That would be difficult to convince the player base with. Most first person shooter players want instant gratification in a match or in an open-world setting.
But then again, the vast majority of them would likely be Eve Online players who have already grown accustomed to the passive SP system for the past 13 years.
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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
559
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Posted - 2016.03.10 02:56:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:What would everyone here think if CCP let us take 5% of our current SP total into the new game?
In my case with 50 million that would be 2.5 million into the new game.
Does that sound reasonable? If someone actually gets angry enough, there is enough material for a false advertisement lawsuit on the grounds that Rouge claimed all meaningful progression would transfer during FF14. A lot of people invested heavily specifically for that reason. 5% would be a slap to the face. I imagine even 50% would. The best way to fix this situation would be to take the amount of SP someone has now, and backload passive and active SP gain for them in the future so that they acquire SP at a rapid pace until its all caught up to its original amount. That way everyone starts off on even ground, but there is a clear advantage in progression for those who already invested heavily. If someone new wants to keep pace with them, they can invest in boosters. Think of it like having triple omegas on all the time until you hit a certain amount of SP.
There is nothing to fix. Its a new game. Start over. That's what happens in the real world. Expect vanity items, but seriously don't expect any kind of SP or Asset advantage. If this new game ever hits consumers it will be years from now. All those new players who discover the game will want the same starting point for everyone not a bunch of hyper accelerated vets beating on them and dominating whatever Planetary Conquest system the new game would have in place. This was a competitive FPS and you can assume the next would be as well. So, why would CCP want an elite group created right out of the gate that essentially disincentives a large portion of the market to want to purchase the product? Look at the new player environment here. There are multiple reasons for the lack of new players, but the number one reason they leave was because they could not compete. If you have any sort of open competition format like Planetary Conquest those neck beards that have a SP advantage will dominate that mode for years until they either kill the game or other neck beards catch up. That is not a scenario that either CCP wants as a business model or the players want as a game.
Realize as well that if a true match making system is put in place there is no need for SP advantages in formats like the current Public Contracts, because in a game that is not free to play and designed to feed the WHALES, you will be playing only other people with the same advantages you have. So, sorry to break this to some of you, but the days of stomping are over. You will never be put in starter fit matches if an actual match making system is in place. As such many of the scrubs on here will find the next game a lot less satisfying to play. Simply grinding will not gain an advantage over those who play casually. So crying for SP is not even going to accomplish what many of whiners are hoping for. |
Ralden Caster
Random Gunz The-Office
431
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Posted - 2016.03.10 03:11:00 -
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Honestly, just a skin wound do.
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Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
6
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Posted - 2016.03.10 03:11:00 -
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Some people are good without the sp advantage..those people will continue to stomp, that'll never change |
BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
559
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Posted - 2016.03.10 03:12:00 -
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dreth longbow wrote:
- the new game will be similar to this game,
many people have invested into this game, the things CCP learned/developed in this game will be used for the new game, People should be rewarded for their investment into this game in the next game,
Some people don't think the same as me, some think more than me. I would remind people that when a company develops a game they beta test it first by inviting players to play so they can make tweeks and stress test the code and network. When the game is released those people who put up with the problems are rewarded by keeping all that they have earned and they in turn have an advantage over people coming in. this is just the way it is, people cry and say it is not fair to the new players, but their will always be new players and they will always be at a disadvantage. Imagine creating an account in EVE and expecting to have sp and isk levels like 80% of the players who have been playing for the last 10 years, ridiculous! We the players of Dust have done our part and it is only fair that we be rewarded for it, it is a reasonable expectation and a reasonable solution. Lets all give CCP a chance to give us some info. HINT! CCP you should have had this planned out already to minimize the speculation. Someone is not doing their job and the delay is hurting the player base, but thanks for the notice anyways.
Kid you have no idea how Beta tests work..... This is the only screwed up game out of the dozens I have been in on the beta level that ever let you keep anything. ALLthe others reset everything with the final release. BECAUSE NEW PLAYERS DONT BUY PRODUCTS WHERE THEY START OUT BEHIND IN A COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT.
Understand as well that you are focusing on a Public Contracts like environment. Any Planetary Conquest format would be dominated by players with that advantage and is myopic to ask for. I still remember dominating PCs with 7.5 million SP because everyone else had less than 5 million SP. That small advantage is multiplied and leveraged more early in the game life cycle then it is compounded by allowing multiple players with that advantage team up.
But no, Beta testers don't usually receive "advantages" over other players for their time. I've seen vanity items and free subscriptions/DLC. Never have I been given such a blatant advantage as allowing me to have SP transfer, accelerated SP gain, or asset transfer would be in this case.
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
10
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Posted - 2016.03.10 03:19:00 -
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I'd prefer cosmetic rewards, like Quafe stuff BPO skins for weapons or something.
Scouts United
Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
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BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
559
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Posted - 2016.03.10 03:19:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Some people are good without the sp advantage..those people will continue to stomp, that'll never change
No they will not. Play another competitive game. Stompers can't stomp each other. I could start a new character on COD and go 30x KD, but after a few matches I am playing the other 30x guys and guess what.....they don't play the same. This game was trash with a great concept. It had NO matchmaking in place to encourage balanced matches. For one, Whales stop playing if they don't feel satisfied. So understand that a new with subscriptions will not be allowing us to simply feed on the starter fits in a match. So many of you will not enjoy the new game if you are expecting to post numbers like we do now.
Sad truth is its a video game and without exploits and mods 99.9% of us all fall within a very narrow band of "skill". Those that are slightly better or worse will not be notably so when matched with similar players. That's just a reality. You can lie to yourself, but statistics will bear it out every time. |
Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2016.03.10 03:51:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Some people are good without the sp advantage..those people will continue to stomp, that'll never change No they will not. Play another competitive game. Stompers can't stomp each other. I could start a new character on COD and go 30x KD, but after a few matches I am playing the other 30x guys and guess what.....they don't play the same. This game was trash with a great concept. It had NO matchmaking in place to encourage balanced matches. For one, Whales stop playing if they don't feel satisfied. So understand that a new with subscriptions will not be allowing us to simply feed on the starter fits in a match. So many of you will not enjoy the new game if you are expecting to post numbers like we do now. Sad truth is its a video game and without exploits and mods 99.9% of us all fall within a very narrow band of "skill". Those that are slightly better or worse will not be notably so when matched with similar players. That's just a reality. You can lie to yourself, but statistics will bear it out every time. I do just fine in every game..cod/BF/halo/gears of war/dust -(entire duration even without the sp advantage)ps2 All have different play styles..there is no perfect mm
Think what you want but I'll do just fine in dust2.0, shooters come natural to me
I do agree that most the players that currently stomp need the sp to do so, but some of us og's will be just fine |
BARAGAMOS
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
559
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Posted - 2016.03.10 04:31:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:BARAGAMOS wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Some people are good without the sp advantage..those people will continue to stomp, that'll never change No they will not. Play another competitive game. Stompers can't stomp each other. I could start a new character on COD and go 30x KD, but after a few matches I am playing the other 30x guys and guess what.....they don't play the same. This game was trash with a great concept. It had NO matchmaking in place to encourage balanced matches. For one, Whales stop playing if they don't feel satisfied. So understand that a new with subscriptions will not be allowing us to simply feed on the starter fits in a match. So many of you will not enjoy the new game if you are expecting to post numbers like we do now. Sad truth is its a video game and without exploits and mods 99.9% of us all fall within a very narrow band of "skill". Those that are slightly better or worse will not be notably so when matched with similar players. That's just a reality. You can lie to yourself, but statistics will bear it out every time. I do just fine in every game..cod/BF/halo/gears of war/dust -(entire duration even without the sp advantage)ps2 All have different play styles..there is no perfect mm Think what you want but I'll do just fine in dust2.0, shooters come natural to me I do agree that most the players that currently stomp need the sp to do so, but some of us og's will be just fine
Funny, because don't you use only myos and MDs???? Don't seem like shooters come very natural if you need them. Although games are meant to "come naturally" to the players in general. lol
Bottom line is if a match making system is in place doing "fine" is in fact how we will all do. There will be those occasional great games, but mostly KDR trending towards 1 for the vast majority. You are correct right now SP, assets, and ***** leaver squads are leading to one sided games on Dust. A good Match Maker stops that. Play Halo at a high level and you will see it plays out more like chess than a FPS. That's because in the limited dimensions of a video game without exploits and mods there are no other real advantages after you reach a certain level of play. The other guy has spent just as much time in-game as you have so you can't just bully through.
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Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
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Posted - 2016.03.10 04:51:00 -
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BARAGAMOS wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:BARAGAMOS wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Some people are good without the sp advantage..those people will continue to stomp, that'll never change No they will not. Play another competitive game. Stompers can't stomp each other. I could start a new character on COD and go 30x KD, but after a few matches I am playing the other 30x guys and guess what.....they don't play the same. This game was trash with a great concept. It had NO matchmaking in place to encourage balanced matches. For one, Whales stop playing if they don't feel satisfied. So understand that a new with subscriptions will not be allowing us to simply feed on the starter fits in a match. So many of you will not enjoy the new game if you are expecting to post numbers like we do now. Sad truth is its a video game and without exploits and mods 99.9% of us all fall within a very narrow band of "skill". Those that are slightly better or worse will not be notably so when matched with similar players. That's just a reality. You can lie to yourself, but statistics will bear it out every time. I do just fine in every game..cod/BF/halo/gears of war/dust -(entire duration even without the sp advantage)ps2 All have different play styles..there is no perfect mm Think what you want but I'll do just fine in dust2.0, shooters come natural to me I do agree that most the players that currently stomp need the sp to do so, but some of us og's will be just fine Funny, because don't you use only myos and MDs???? Don't seem like shooters come very natural if you need them. Although games are meant to "come naturally" to the players in general. lol Bottom line is if a match making system is in place doing "fine" is in fact how we will all do. There will be those occasional great games, but mostly KDR trending towards 1 for the vast majority. You are correct right now SP, assets, and ***** leaver squads are leading to one sided games on Dust. A good Match Maker stops that. Play Halo at a high level and you will see it plays out more like chess than a FPS. That's because in the limited dimensions of a video game without exploits and mods there are no other real advantages after you reach a certain level of play. The other guy has spent just as much time in-game as you have so you can't just bully through. Are you stupid? I have no sp in MD and never use myo's but good try grasping at straws |
Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2016.03.10 13:17:00 -
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And here I am hoping the lobby-shooter bullshit dies in a fire.
I mean, I'd love it if we finally got that Arena system they talked about, which would give matchmade and probably gear-restricted lobbies with traditional game modes like CTF and KOTH.
However, I'd personally like to see Public Contracts go back to being a selectable list of fights to deploy into like they were back in the Replication build. If people's primary experience of the new game is grinding matchmade lobbies again just like in this game, you're not going to get many people that actually want to play.
Amidst the blue skies
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Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
6
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Posted - 2016.03.10 15:43:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:And here I am hoping the lobby-shooter bullshit dies in a fire.
I mean, I'd love it if we finally got that Arena system they talked about, which would give matchmade and probably gear-restricted lobbies with traditional game modes like CTF and KOTH.
However, I'd personally like to see Public Contracts go back to being a selectable list of fights to deploy into like they were back in the Replication build. If people's primary experience of the new game is grinding matchmade lobbies again just like in this game, you're not going to get many people that actually want to play. I'd like deaths to go..I feel like that would make the game more competitive
Also the original skirmish needs to return, Corp battles..I love search and destroy |
Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2016.03.10 18:32:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:And here I am hoping the lobby-shooter bullshit dies in a fire.
I mean, I'd love it if we finally got that Arena system they talked about, which would give matchmade and probably gear-restricted lobbies with traditional game modes like CTF and KOTH.
However, I'd personally like to see Public Contracts go back to being a selectable list of fights to deploy into like they were back in the Replication build. If people's primary experience of the new game is grinding matchmade lobbies again just like in this game, you're not going to get many people that actually want to play. I'd like deaths to go..I feel like that would make the game more competitive Also the original skirmish needs to return, Corp battles..I love search and destroy I completely agree on original skirmish. It needed some balance work but it was a LOT more exciting than Skirmish 2.0.
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