This is funny.

CAN YOU PLZ NERF SWARMS LIKE REALLY!!!! OR CAN YOU ACTUALLY BUFF THE ADS!!! Im not sure if your considering more than 1 set of swarms but its something to consider. If I pull out and ADS then they with pull out AV. I don't have a problem with that other than swarms and rail guns. PLZ fix.

Lol they don't care ! xD Me and other Pilots have been preaching for a change since Hotfix Alhpa.

I agree that swarm launchers work too well against dropships but they work balanced against other vehicles, so nerfing them might make them balanced to dropships but underpowered vs other vehicles.

Your real enemy is forge gun, not swarm

A good Python can resist to around 6 voley of proto swarm. (enhanced heavy shield + booster + hardener + shield regulation level 5)

An incubus around 4.

In any case it's enough to kill the AV. If you need to run away, push L1 and put your ADS to the vertical. (not horizontal it's low speed)

However invisible swarm is a real problem.

(enhanced heavy shield + booster + hardener + shield regulation level 5)

Another issue with swarm launchers vs. ADS is this: Swarms literally take no skill to learn how to use, just point, hold, and click. Any blueberry off the street can learn how to do this in a matter of minutes of picking it up. Whereas the ADS takes weeks if not months to learn how to fly efficiently and takes actual skill to use.

While I agree that thumb skill plays no part in swarm operation. Sp is a major factor. Swarms are useless until proto, and I would argue, reload five. And I would argue further, damage mod five, and procalmando.

Everyone also seems to forget, that while looking up, you aren't looking around. Making you target number one, that shoots smoking, loud projectiles, with your fly unzipped.

I don't have a buff/nerf cry... Just pointing out stuff people neglected to mention.

While I agree that thumb skill plays no part in swarm operation. Sp is a major factor. Swarms are useless until proto, and I would argue, reload five. And I would argue further, damage mod five, and procalmando.

Everyone also seems to forget, that while looking up, you aren't looking around. Making you target number one, that shoots smoking, loud projectiles, with your fly unzipped.

I don't have a buff/nerf cry... Just pointing out stuff people neglected to mention.

Lol they don't care ! xD Me and other Pilots have been preaching for a change since Hotfix Alhpa.

lol how do you fit your ADS seriously?

I gave up on it..got my sp back..ads is fun but not when AV flings you into the building or ground causing instant death

My usual fit it 1 com light shield regen, Complex shield hardener, Complex light shield ext, XT missiles, and Enhanced missile amo.

I gave up on it..got my sp back..ads is fun but not when AV flings you into the building or ground causing instant death

Never give up! Never surrender!

I actually welcomed the hardener nerf... That 60% sHard 40% aHard was kinda absurd.

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Except we went back to 40% aHards

I agree that swarm launchers work too well against dropships but they work balanced against other vehicles, so nerfing them might make them balanced to dropships but underpowered vs other vehicles.

While I agree that thumb skill plays no part in swarm operation. Sp is a major factor. Swarms are useless until proto, and I would argue, reload five. And I would argue further, damage mod five, and procalmando.

I'll tell you why this is never going to change. It's quite simple really.

HAV's

We are trying to balance HAV's and ADS with the same stick. In reality we are playing on maps that are too small for Dropships to really exist on.

And we don't have enough Urban/Close quarters spaces for direct fire AV to really be viable.

But forge guns are viableNot in closed environments, not with that charge time they aren't. Never have been. So that role falls to the swarm launcher.

So now we are balancing a lock-on weapon against a tank, so it will never be balanced against a gunship.

It's funny to me how AV has been proto since forever, but dropships are still standard and tanks a=have just got proto.... but AV, and in particular swarmers, always don't want to have anything change as they spam beacons and experimental swarms in every match

I have learned how to spot scrubs, and they carry swarm launchers.

They even try to claim greatness by mailing ppl how well they did against dropships with beacons lmao!

If CCP don't got your back pilots I do! I always hunt commandos!!!

CAN YOU PLZ NERF SWARMS LIKE REALLY!!!! OR CAN YOU ACTUALLY BUFF THE ADS!!! Im not sure if your considering more than 1 set of swarms but its something to consider. If I pull out and ADS then they with pull out AV. I don't have a problem with that other than swarms and rail guns. PLZ fix.

My usual fit it 1 com light shield regen, Complex shield hardener, Complex light shield ext, XT missiles, and Enhanced missile amo.

One thing and one thing only.

A tank doesn't have the mobility to evade swarms...
So... The fix is simple.

Make it dodgable

ADS's cost way more SP just to be barely effective only some of the time, whilst costing more isk and being much harder to generate isk with (through WP) in battle than an AV fit.

Believe it or not they tried that by making the turning circles wider.

Guess what . . . .

Dropships still got hit, but now tanks couldn't get hit at all in urban environments, the rockets just piled into the ground.

My usual fit it 1 com light shield regen, Complex shield hardener, Complex light shield ext, XT missiles, and Enhanced missile amo.

If you can't fit a basic heavy armor plate on your Incubus, without a fittng mod, you need skills. Until then, your gonna die..

Heavy plate used to be good but anti armor AV does so much damage now you're better off with a light plate and a hardener so you can AB out as soon as you hear AV.

You can use two complex light reps and a harder or a pg upgrade complex plate and rep. If you don't have the sp invested basic still does fine but fit the hvy rep and stay on your toes. If you're using a missle on it consider that is not is primary function and you're gimp ing your fit. Python actually tanks av better believe it or not and the bonus is much better for taking out said av. You should have both ads set up and learn both. If you insist on running missiles on your incubus just remember that you are putting yourself at a disadvantage but it can still be done.

Believe it or not they tried that by making the turning circles wider.

Guess what . . . .

Dropships still got hit, but now tanks couldn't get hit at all in urban environments, the rockets just piled into the ground.

I've been flying for 4 years, preaching to the choir ;) I don't run Missile bus anymore because there just isn't enough resist unless like you say, you run dual hardener and I HATE that fit because I hate downtime. I prefer to constantly bring the fight even if I die because I prefer excitement and fun over not losing ISK. Plus, what's the point of flying if you aren't constantly challenging yourself against superior odds?

I have vehicles maxed 100% and wouldn't have it any other way.

On the rare occasions I play it's almost always the same. I play solo so it changes my tactics, however I always spawn AV incubus, clear turrets and try to deny vehicles, then if there isn't much vehicle pressence I switch to Python to harass infantry and be a glorified street sweeper.

The issue with swarms is that they're undodgeable and track for 400 meters. Over those 400 meters you can easily get pinged by any other AV, and then eat those swarms that you can't dodge.

That will always be the point of contention between swarms and pilots. Pilots will always feel ripped off because someone pointed up in their general direction, pulled the trigger, and went about their merry way while collecting 75 to 225 WP for their "efforts".

And that will never change, because DUST no longer receives actual development, just stat shuffles.

Also, many swarmers run commando, and well, you try killing a commando that's hitting you with pro / officer swarms.

I meant X2 rep and one hardener :) I'm in the same boat. Longevity over tank.

It's hard to try to explain that av right now isn't that op if you take the time to learn and have proper fits. I just want to be rude at this point. I hope my posts provided good information for them though.

Unable to backtrack invisible swarms

I'm notorious for arguing for the sake of argument :p I will always be a bit butthurt about swarms just because of how they function, and how we get stuck without ADV or PRO hulls, but it is what it is.

If I can fly solo against full stacked proto AV squads and not die or only die once, then it's certainly possible. Out of every role in this game, ADS benefits hands down the MOST from having a squad to back you up. Being able to drop people on tower nests or to call out AV that's hiding in cover is invaluable, and not to mention having scans on the ground.

I hate having to run the second I hear AV but honestly, that's how it should be. Good ADS pilots can clean house on infantry if left alone, which is why I LOVE AV incubus. Nothing makes me happier than giving AI Pythons hell

I'll probably test out dual rep again at some point, I just like having the extra tank because I always seem to get one shot by damage stacked rail tanks when I least expect it lol.

Swarms cannot kill a ads before an ads kills then unless you make a mistake.

I loaned my ps3 to a friend's who's broke resent lyrics but I'll have it back soon. On the rare occasion one of us is on we should try to sqd up. Rare is the day I see a reasonable ads or av guy.

I agree with most everything you've said before but I have to partially disagree here.

Commandos hopping around can easily survive if you don't land direct hits and the impact from their swarms make it really difficult to land that direct shot sometimes. Also as I'm certain you're plenty familiar with, infantry often don't render till around the 150 meter mark. If you know where the nest is you can blindly shoot down into it, but a lot of times it's just not practical to engage a heavy / commando swarmer.

Which is fine, you're spot on that the moment you hear / are hit by AV you need to burn out and reassess. Sometimes it's just as simple as leaving their nest alone and harassing other points on the map till they try to chase you, then you just go to the other side of the map lol.

More people need to run rail LAV with two AV in it, easily the most frustrating thing to deal with as a pilot other than another skilled AV incubus.

Lmao I doubt they've m nerfed drop ships since way back when so they're undoubtedly still op as f.

CAN YOU PLZ NERF SWARMS LIKE REALLY!!!! OR CAN YOU ACTUALLY BUFF THE ADS!!! Im not sure if your considering more than 1 set of swarms but its something to consider. If I pull out and ADS then they with pull out AV. I don't have a problem with that other than swarms and rail guns. PLZ fix.

back to fallout 4

Why don't people who fly Dropships do the same?

More people need to run rail LAV with two AV in it, easily the most frustrating thing to deal with as a pilot other than another skilled AV incubus.

I've got a Saga with two complex rail damage mods and a proto small rail, every now and then I'll deploy it and run around the quiet parts of the map

its ridiculous how much damage it can put out, most dropships and even some tanks die before they figure out wtf is shooting at them


Unfortunately it also dies the instant its spotted

One thing and one thing only.

A tank doesn't have the mobility to evade swarms...
So... The fix is simple.

Make it dodgable

Yep, say it with me everybody, "Reduce swarms curve trajectory capability".

Reduce swarms curve trajectory capability

Great, now say, "The greater good"

if a railgun tank can kill me from twice the distance that I can use my swarms, then swarms do not need a nerf.

Yeah, vehicles are so OP that when PC teams se a lot of them they don't get vehicles to counter... they all go AV...

They know that they got a better chance with AV and turrets than they do grabbing a tank themselves against good tankers or dropship pilots, period! Also, the AV cost 10x less!

Drop missle extneder lol use pg upgrade then just use enhanced hvy shields pro burner and enhanced hardner. Learn to rotate your mods and engage accordingly that fit is complete garbage. No disrespect intended. You can also use a burner complex hvy extrender and basic hardner increasing survivability but decreasing engagement and reengagement time. You can replace your hardner with a booster if you like but it really just isn't as good. There are a couple other good fits and I can even give you ones with multi turrets and the same survivability.

Engage with hardner on after first swarm hitn your burner and leave while identifying where the threat is. Turn hardner off before you are completely away and the burner when you're safe. You can now reengage knowing where the threat is and hit him from where he can't lock then land and place a link securing the overwatch. This is the basics. There is no way they can take you n out short of three perfectly timed calmandos using beacons and at that point you've pulled enough away from the real fight to still be doing your job. Call for your teammates at that point to wipe them and retake overwatch. Team play is op you know? Till then you can help on another objective. There is no large balance issue. As I said before ALL I do I pc is ads.

This is why people think ads is weak and others strong. There just aren't enough experienced pilots anymore in the game. People find the very rare good ones and can't ever kill them because we know our advantage and disadvantage. The ones that aren't as experienced lose tons of isk and think av needs nerfed.

if a railgun tank can kill me from twice the distance that I can use my swarms, then swarms do not need a nerf.

... Did you read the forum before posting?

This is actually a ADS vs Swarm topic... Not tank vs swarms.

Thank you!

Heavy plate used to be good but anti armor AV does so much damage now you're better off with a light plate and a hardener so you can AB out as soon as you hear AV.

Actually I said both.

The radius nerf is what makes it possible to swing around cover in time. It did work actually. Read my above/below post to learn how to fit and fly a python. The op didn't even know how to fit his python when he made this post

Drop missle extneder lol use pg upgrade then just use enhanced hvy shields pro burner and enhanced hardner. Learn to rotate your mods and engage accordingly that fit is complete garbage. No disrespect intended. You can also use a burner complex hvy extrender and basic hardner increasing survivability but decreasing engagement and reengagement time. You can replace your hardner with a booster if you like but it really just isn't as good. There are a couple other good fits and I can even give you ones with multi turrets and the same survivability.

Engage with hardner on after first swarm hitn your burner and leave while identifying where the threat is. Turn hardner off before you are completely away and the burner when you're safe. You can now reengage knowing where the threat is and hit him from where he can't lock then land and place a link securing the overwatch. This is the basics. There is no way they can take you n out short of three perfectly timed calmandos using beacons and at that point you've pulled enough away from the real fight to still be doing your job. Call for your teammates at that point to wipe them and retake overwatch. Team play is op you know? Till then you can help on another objective. There is no large balance issue. As I said before ALL I do I pc is ads.

This is why people think ads is weak and others strong. There just aren't enough experienced pilots anymore in the game. People find the very rare good ones and can't ever kill them because we know our advantage and disadvantage. The ones that aren't as experienced lose tons of isk and think av needs nerfed.

2) Cover? In mid-air? Kind of defeats the point of gunship don't you think.

It's a dropship, not a gunship.

90% of your survivability is derived from your mobility.

Yes, but what is the point of mobility if you have no chance of dodging the AV rounds being fired at you?

Thats the git guwd part of the game, your responsible to protect yourself with positioning your dropship in a viable area that you can survive, use the structures and your speed theyre supposed to be killable. Invincible dropship should never be a thing again. swarms are the most used av, if they were nerfed you would be right back here on a different thread crying about the big bad dropship that made your team rage quit.

Thank you for your "advice" but . . . .

1) I was one of the experienced pilots in the game, not particularly note worthy, but I could easily force a team to pack 4-5 swarms to try and get me.

2) Cover? In mid-air? Kind of defeats the point of gunship don't you think. The turning circle Nerf was supposed to allow Dropships with experienced pilots to physically dodge swarms. Instead they got it wrong and you ended up with swarms that couldn't get round corners, but would do a 180 5m from your Dropships to hit your weak point.

There is nothing you can "git gud" for against 4 volleys of officer swarms. I'm not even a dropship pilot. You want to know why I'm posting here then? Because I know what dropship pilots have to deal with. One of my corpmates is a dropship pilot and he only complains about two things. Swarms, and installations.

There is nothing you can "git gud" for against 4 volleys of officer swarms. I'm not even a dropship pilot. You want to know why I'm posting here then? Because I know what dropship pilots have to deal with. One of my corpmates is a dropship pilot and he only complains about two things. Swarms, and installations.

Thats why theyre officer swarms... should they not be able to bring it down? they cant bring down a grim or myron nearly as easy and ads is less survivable sounds like working as intended.

There is nothing you can "git gud" for against 4 volleys of officer swarms. I'm not even a dropship pilot. You want to know why I'm posting here then? Because I know what dropship pilots have to deal with. One of my corpmates is a dropship pilot and he only complains about two things. Swarms, and installations.

I'm one of the original and long time haters of swarms, but even I have to scratch my head at this.

Are you saying on person put out 4 volleys from their officer swarm? In that case I ask, why in gods name did he stick around for a full clip, a reload, and a renewed volley?

If you're talking about 4 players pulling out officer AV and coordinating an attack on the dropship, then to put it simply, you're doing your job. One player is forcing 4 to work in unison and to not be taking points. And if there timing isn't perfect you can jet out of there and possibly duck around buildings or simply outpace swarms further behind you.

And lastly as someone with 0 SP in infantry even I will admit, sometimes you're just outmatched. Sometimes the opponent has too strong of an AV pressence, and you have to switch it up. You can't win every fight, but if you're forcing 4 players to chase you around then you've already done your job.

Yes but even though you need to pay a couple hundred thousand isk for that officer swarm. An ADS costs more. The thing is that infantry can make money like it's no big deal, just run a starter fits or APEX for a couple matches. If you fly an ADS, if you drive a tank or LAV. You are not able to make a profit one way or the other.

The thing is. This ties into bad matchmaking. So what if those guys are spending their time trying to take you down? Why does it matter if your team is already redlined by the 12 other people?

Isk cost is not a valid way to go about balance. Lord rat rat said that long ago. I'm never broke from my ads either I made my whole fortune that way.

It's a dropship, not a gunship.

90% of your survivability is derived from your mobility.

ADS is this games equvilent of a gunship. Normal Dropships are Dropships equvilent to a heuy.

It's a dropship, not a gunship.

90% of your survivability is derived from your mobility.

The thing is. This ties into bad matchmaking. So what if those guys are spending their time trying to take you down? Why does it matter if your team is already redlined by the 12 other people?

Eb ads is terrible and ghosts team isn't elite and we had good fights vs you when we were active. If you had good ads pilots they would be praised same as Derrith, Parthok, and me. FA always used at least one tank and 1-2 ads. Also the use of av has more to do with overwatch spam not balance issues.

I wasn't around in EB for those battles you refer to, but i'm sure what you say is true. That doesn't change the facts about the financial comparisons of vehicle v AV though.

We have as good of ads pilots as i'm looking for, and they do what I ask. Being praised by your 20 man circle isn't praise

I'm not arguing the skill of the pilot from pilot to pilot, that's a moot point. I'm arguing the fact that AV is indeed proto while ADS not so much. AV yields insane points, and a monkey can do it, ADS not so much. I haven't really went in depth, or added tanks to the equation yet?!

Even the best pilot's die once, and lose half their PC earnings. AV guy can die once, and isn't even phased financially.

One more thing!

I humbly request that any vet stop bringing up unbalanced PC hay days if they're going to keep ending every statement with "but we don't play this game anymore"

Well that's helpful?! You guys were outclassing 85% of the playerbase in experience and SP, but want to do a comparison of greatness? I don't get that mentality. Half the playerbase just recently realized what SSD cards were, but you wanna say that they all suck lol! Well, ofcourse they sucked back then! You guys were the equivalent of armored mechs vs primative rock throwers?!

If you still play by all means have at it, but if you're "retired" do us all a favor and STFU! Also, if you're playing with a titan one, or any of the other performance enhancing modifications please DO NOT tell us how great your 1v1 skills are?! Seriously?!

Not directly aimed at you Moores, but there's been a large amount of this behavior lately here in the forums, and some of these guys were second string at best by today's standards?! Trying to compare themselves to guys who didn't rock mods who really played well with the team is an insult that I won't tolerate. There were some really good players back then that really were doing it! They deserve their credit, but some of them were simply on the PC team?! Not tactical at all, and couldn't lead 3 little girls out of a wet paper bag?!

Some of them I've never even seen in PC, or heard of, but he slapping on the vet tag saying "well "WE" stop playing this game a while ago cuz everyone sucks but "US"?! I'm reading this sh*t like "who the f*ck is this guy?"

I'm the last guy to ever claim i'm better than anyone else at a role, and enjoy learning from friend and foe alike. These arrogant *sshholes are annoying, and forget how bad the game was back when they were whoever they say they were?! The game is still horribly balanced at best, and there has been FOTM the entire time that guys have taken advantage of. Try that heavy/logi sh*t nowadays and see where it gets you lol!

My hat goes off to any merc willing to fly these skies at any point in this games history because frankly the dropship clearly has been on the back burner on CCP's list for a very long time. Hell i'm a tanker when it comes to vehicles, and can't fly a lick, but I feel their pain trying to do a role that isn't even complete yet?!

Currently, playing PC with almost every merc on the field capable of the same versatility is much harder in my opinion than back in the day when mercs still had skill points all over the place. Back then how many mercs were you guys killing that had 20 mil SP in all their dropsuit upgrades maxed out? How many were prof 5 in every weapon they had, with year's of experience using them? How many had endless versatility in dropsuits and vehicles alike? How many of those teams you faced had a worth while FC? What was the FOTM then lol?

You get what I mean? Some of those vets still play, and if they're honest can vouch for the improved gameplay of yesterday's rookies. I myself, at that time would've been barely at 15 mil SP?! Who was I gonna rock at that level when guys in PC were closing on 80+ mil SP lol? The idea is absurd lol!

Today, literally every merc I face is prof 5, upgrades maxed, year's of experience, and old school knife tricks ain't working on them no more lol! These guys transition fast, adapt quickly, and can do almost everything at the drop of a dime!

I wouldn't compare stack teams of vets killing noobs to the teams of today. Currently EB has beaten every team fighting currently in PC. They aren't the same EB from the past. I wouldn't be here if they were! We don't beat any drums, and raise any flags. We grind away, argue like cats and dogs over tactics, (win or lose lol), and we are still training new players everyday. Some can hack it, and some can't.

I'm positive if the old OH, FA, and others got together and played again they'd be a force to be reckoned with, and frankly we'd appreciate the help since the spanish now outnumber us 3 to 1?! However, we're what's left of the american playerbase holding it down as best we can, and I'd appreciate a tad bit of credit where it is due. Thank you o7

Either way it didn't change that ads had distinct advantages it can rely on. Range, a line that if you don't cross while in lock range that allows you to get away, and mobility.
Engage with hardner on after first swarm hitn your burner and leave while identifying where the threat is. Turn hardner off before you are completely away and the burner when you're safe. You can now reengage knowing where the threat is and hit him from where he can't lock then land and place a link securing the overwatch. This is the basics. There is no way they can take you n out short of three perfectly timed calmandos using beacons and at that point you've pulled enough away from the real fight to still be doing your job. Call for your teammates at that point to wipe them and retake overwatch. Team play is op you know? Till then you can help on another objective. There is no large balance issue. As I said before ALL I do I pc is ads.


Ps what is up with the faIle quoting today?

As I already mentioned I already know how to fly a Dropships, I did it when it was suicide. When the accepted way was to afterburner out as soon as someone launched a volley. I did it without the afterburner. Still went positive.

But as I said when I first commented on this thread this no real place for DS and ADS. The maps are too small and to open.

Seems paradoxical hug?
P.S you missed a end of quote tag.

Waves of opportunity would be an excellent system if the redline didn't exist. Having a risk free safe haven to retreat to is the only reason it caused imbalance.

You think the red line is a safe haven. But it isn't. The many Thale's/Symb's I've killed is a testament to that.

It might not be a safe haven for infantry but it sure as hell is for vehicles.

Nope. That's why I have a Sica with a fuel injector and 4 complex damage mods.

Which is still useless vs dropships and most tanks that know how to drive. All they have to do is drive as well as or better than you for 15 seconds and they win. Also your paper cannon will likely explode to AV on your way if your opponent is playing the game.

You think the red line is a safe haven. But it isn't. The many Thale's/Symb's I've killed is a testament to that.

Waves of opportunity would be an excellent system if the redline didn't exist. Having a risk free safe haven to retreat to is the only reason it caused imbalance.

Yeah, vehicles are so OP that when PC teams se a lot of them they don't get vehicles to counter... they all go AV...

They know that they got a better chance with AV and turrets than they do grabbing a tank themselves against good tankers or dropship pilots, period! Also, the AV cost 10x less!

Besides. 1 AVer shouldn't be able to kill a vehicle by himself, it should take teamwork. The most 1 AVer should be able to do is scare them off.

Drop missle extneder lol use pg upgrade then just use enhanced hvy shields pro burner and enhanced hardner. Learn to rotate your mods and engage accordingly that fit is complete garbage. No disrespect intended. You can also use a burner complex hvy extrender and basic hardner increasing survivability but decreasing engagement and reengagement time. You can replace your hardner with a booster if you like but it really just isn't as good. There are a couple other good fits and I can even give you ones with multi turrets and the same survivability.

Engage with hardner on after first swarm hitn your burner and leave while identifying where the threat is. Turn hardner off before you are completely away and the burner when you're safe. You can now reengage knowing where the threat is and hit him from where he can't lock then land and place a link securing the overwatch. This is the basics. There is no way they can take you n out short of three perfectly timed calmandos using beacons and at that point you've pulled enough away from the real fight to still be doing your job. Call for your teammates at that point to wipe them and retake overwatch. Team play is op you know? Till then you can help on another objective. There is no large balance issue. As I said before ALL I do I pc is ads.

This is why people think ads is weak and others strong. There just aren't enough experienced pilots anymore in the game. People find the very rare good ones and can't ever kill them because we know our advantage and disadvantage. The ones that aren't as experienced lose tons of isk and think av needs nerfed.

Besides. 1 AVer shouldn't be able to kill a vehicle by himself, it should take teamwork. The most 1 AVer should be able to do is scare them off.

[quote=Shamarskii Simon]


If someone changed from something that can two/three shot and punish royally on the sweet spot (1 shot wyr breach on inky) to something else that doesn't require the same level of accuracy or dedication... There's an issue.


Just to let you know even the wyr take 2 shots on inky to take down

Yeahhh... But..

When those 2x hard incubi sprint as far deep as they can in the redline...

Sometimes I have to choose... Lose the ds but kill them? Or spare them and wait.

... Tbh those fits are annoying... There's waves of opportunity sure... But please; do not Air to Air in "waves."

Those are the people who I realize are scared, only coming out when they know they won't die... Just to run away when they realize they aren't killing you. One hardener, sure... I don't care. But 2? Come on :/ we'll be looking at each other for 40+ seconds... Then you go away for almost a minute...

Meh, it's nice when i let them get shots though... Triple rep is beautiful for air to air

No one runs 2x armour hardner on an incubis. None of the pro pilots I know anyways. It's simpy not a good fit at all and easy to take down. This is why I question most of the experience here. People aren't even throwing up viable fits.

Tbh a fit is up to the user IMHO.

It's like evolving... In 1.7 when i first took out a python I remember the fit...

3 MT missiles, a shield booster, a basic light extend, and a mlt scanner.

It was stupid. But over time I've learned and adapted. I found out what I was good with (AV with rail) and stuck with it.

Right now, i reached the apex of my fitting ability. I have fits made from observations and fits I've experimented on alone.

If i have a gunner:

Python
Particle Accel (front)
AT (gunner)

2 comp shield boosts
1 enhanced heavy.

People would tell me that's a terrible fit, depending on shield boost which fails you sometimes... But, it fits me.. So what can I do? I actually do well with it because being a gunning platform means one thing to me... I just need to fly safe. Simply my play style.

Very few run 2x hards on their incubi... But I have run into one, and that incubus was doing exactly what I said, running in and out their redline.

Hell yeah easy to take down once soft... Low rep and base eHP. But double hardended? Not so easy.

There's a reason why I don't question people's fits... Unless it can be optimized... People run what they want... Unless it's a really questionable fit (mCru on inky for example). Sometimes I recommend a fit (my typical pub incubus for example:

Particle Accel
Enhanced AB
Basic heavy rep x2
Mlt armor plate)

Some might say what the hell is that, others might say goddamn that's effective for it's price!

Hell, my Air to Air incubus is triple rep. Who the hell runs triple rep other than me? Almost no one.

Some people Inky 4.2k (comp plate, comp pg, comp light rep), and I personally cannot use that fit... The low rep just doesn't satisfy me.

People throw a missile on their incubus. I will only rail with it, no ifs ands or buts. If I'm using missiles, it'll be with a python.

Some people are badass with missiles... After 2 years of ADS piloting, I can't even use them as well as I can use a rail, i even think I'm a novice with missiles.. Does that mean I have no experience? Nah, that just means it's not my style (although i use em)

So please, don't question the experience and judge based on fit.

Judge based on their skill and history... I remember the first time I underestimated a pilot... Oddly enough that pilot was Derrith. It was the night before 1.8, gal Lag facility, skirm.

Derrith punished me royally. I thought it was going to be an easy kill cause he had less than 3k aHP.... Big mistake, and I've learned from that.



I treat all pilots the same... I see an ADS, i swing them a "1v1?" message and go.

Tl; dr: fits don't really matter... What matters is how you use that fit to your advantage. Oh and sorry for my storytelling

The thing is though that guy is just wasting people's time and not getting much of anything done. You can optimize better. What you say is the basic idea of what the game is supposed to be. But the roles you're filling can be filled by there things and infantry much better. Your builds are fun to role around in in a non competitive setting but they aren't doing much to win the fight. By using your advantages of speed and range and building around them you can get to enemy hp as soon as they do, keep links up, draw more people than needed to av giving your team the numbers advantage, harass infantry, ect. In a truly competitive setting the ads is king of the role is was designed for which was not infantry slaying gunship wit massive tank and this has been pointed out in multiple threads by lord rat rat. The advantage of range, speed, and the ability to always get away if you don't get too close and make mistakes allows you to do your job with minimum risk still. Those are facts.

Ps incubis with a cru is a viable fit for getting people into the city on bridge map and getting links up but not designed to last but designed to get it's job done. That fit is actually more efficient than a lot posted here.

Incubus w/ mCru isn't as efficient as you think.

Only being able to take 2 people (unless you decide to use turrets), is far more detrimental that you make it appear.

1st, low mobility.

It's only good assuming no AV will be present.. assumptions are bad.
Getting caught in an ugly place (which ALWAYS happens, 100%)... Lacking the mobility can be detrimental.

2nd, people being kicked out ADS.

mCru + full vehicle = drop from where you spawn. The ADS having 2 (or 4 if you want to fill it) seats means whoever else might be spawning... Will get removed.

3rd, must be terminated to use mCru.

That makes sense already. Landing, hopping out, and dropping a link is simply the best thing to do.

For a mCru, i'd shove it into a Grimsnes or Myron... I have a python fit with mCru but I use that only when we lost majority of our uplinks.

In a competitive setting (PC) an AV incubus (the fit I use) is actually excellent at the role; it compliments infantry AV well, and allows me to keep the airspace as safe as possible.

My builds are the builds, it's up to me to make the build assist in winning a fight. E.G: If there are no vehicles, why would I stick with AV?

In pubs, what am I doing? AV. That is important to winning the fight no?

I also end up being the taxi (as my corpmates would call me) anytime I can; quick transportation. Tbh, the ADS does many useful things.

Also,
Fits can only be optimized so far:

E.G: I used to use 300 rep incubus, but I realized the delay on AB was long, i couldn't be as aggressive air to air.

Played around with the fit. Now I use 281 rep + comp AB. I gave up rep to "optimize" my fitting. For my playstyle, nothing beats this fit; it's the epitome of all my Incubus fittings, possibly even all my fittings.

It's like optimizing for cost, you'd want lower suit costs for suits while keeping it just as effective. Basic shield extend vs Mlt shield extend? If you got the resources then.... Might as well.

Anyway, i said it was Air to Air... So that 2x hard fit is more of a waste of time for me, but a serious advantage for the other. If they were able to shoot me down in the "wave of opportunity" their fit was designed for, then, well... That's it.

Gunner fit: point defense, area denial. My gunner lets me know my distance, we can lock off a section of the map until s/he runs out of ammo. That is extremely helpful to the team
We can not only be a force multiplier, we can also be AV and providing uplinks (if someone has them) for the team.

But that's not what I was talking about anyway, I'm saying you can't entirely judge someone's experience based on fit. See? We even had our disagreement in fits but I don't think nothing more or less about your ADS piloting skills.

I can only base someone's skill when I see it in action. That's what I'm trying to say

Dammit! I had the entire reply typed out... To find out there's no draft :(

So I'll make it brief.
-At the same time, building fits that specific leaves the realm of typical fits.. Saying it's only bridge map means one thing, one thing only: Special Fit.

Special fits are fits that define their own role, and goes against the average person's fit / fitting style.

A really good example back when Madrugars had 4000 aHP was this fit I've seen chilling against the redline.
It moved as slow as molasses (all plates and 1 rep) but that redline special fit was not dying.

Another example is my tower attack python.

Mad Syringe seen it in action.... It's beautiful even though i have 1548 sHP.

Mmhm, I've seen 2 rep + hard but there is one reason why I'll never run that fit by this logic.

Either I have everything ready whenever (other than AB) or should I depend on the wait. I've tried it... But the instant gratification that comes from rep > waiting on hards to be at 100%

No one uses 4.2k in air to air anymore.... Rarely.


Lol dw, about blunt or not. I realized it's some (rare) civilized discourse. I like that.

Ugh I'm falling asleep, and I don't trust drafts anymore. I'll end here for now.

Sqd up sometime man I just got my ps3 back from my friend I loaned it to. I want to make some demonstration videos when I can convince my friend that records to get on.

I record but don't mic up, I've been putting out some ADS vids the past couple days so let me know if you're on just in case I am too. I've got no problems recording some matches

I found a fit that is amazing!!! I'm able to stay alive for so much longer.

( Basic heavy shield extender, complex shield hardener, complex afterburner, complex pg upgrade, and XT missiles )

I found a fit that is amazing!!! I'm able to stay alive for so much longer.

( Basic heavy shield extender, complex shield hardener, complex afterburner, complex pg upgrade, and XT missiles )

some ones been saying this the whole time....