[quote=Shamarskii Simon]


If someone changed from something that can two/three shot and punish royally on the sweet spot (1 shot wyr breach on inky) to something else that doesn't require the same level of accuracy or dedication... There's an issue.


Just to let you know even the wyr take 2 shots on inky to take down

Yeahhh... But..

When those 2x hard incubi sprint as far deep as they can in the redline...

Sometimes I have to choose... Lose the ds but kill them? Or spare them and wait.

... Tbh those fits are annoying... There's waves of opportunity sure... But please; do not Air to Air in "waves."

Those are the people who I realize are scared, only coming out when they know they won't die... Just to run away when they realize they aren't killing you. One hardener, sure... I don't care. But 2? Come on :/ we'll be looking at each other for 40+ seconds... Then you go away for almost a minute...

Meh, it's nice when i let them get shots though... Triple rep is beautiful for air to air

No one runs 2x armour hardner on an incubis. None of the pro pilots I know anyways. It's simpy not a good fit at all and easy to take down. This is why I question most of the experience here. People aren't even throwing up viable fits.

Tbh a fit is up to the user IMHO.

It's like evolving... In 1.7 when i first took out a python I remember the fit...

3 MT missiles, a shield booster, a basic light extend, and a mlt scanner.

It was stupid. But over time I've learned and adapted. I found out what I was good with (AV with rail) and stuck with it.

Right now, i reached the apex of my fitting ability. I have fits made from observations and fits I've experimented on alone.

If i have a gunner:

Python
Particle Accel (front)
AT (gunner)

2 comp shield boosts
1 enhanced heavy.

People would tell me that's a terrible fit, depending on shield boost which fails you sometimes... But, it fits me.. So what can I do? I actually do well with it because being a gunning platform means one thing to me... I just need to fly safe. Simply my play style.

Very few run 2x hards on their incubi... But I have run into one, and that incubus was doing exactly what I said, running in and out their redline.

Hell yeah easy to take down once soft... Low rep and base eHP. But double hardended? Not so easy.

There's a reason why I don't question people's fits... Unless it can be optimized... People run what they want... Unless it's a really questionable fit (mCru on inky for example). Sometimes I recommend a fit (my typical pub incubus for example:

Particle Accel
Enhanced AB
Basic heavy rep x2
Mlt armor plate)

Some might say what the hell is that, others might say goddamn that's effective for it's price!

Hell, my Air to Air incubus is triple rep. Who the hell runs triple rep other than me? Almost no one.

Some people Inky 4.2k (comp plate, comp pg, comp light rep), and I personally cannot use that fit... The low rep just doesn't satisfy me.

People throw a missile on their incubus. I will only rail with it, no ifs ands or buts. If I'm using missiles, it'll be with a python.

Some people are badass with missiles... After 2 years of ADS piloting, I can't even use them as well as I can use a rail, i even think I'm a novice with missiles.. Does that mean I have no experience? Nah, that just means it's not my style (although i use em)

So please, don't question the experience and judge based on fit.

Judge based on their skill and history... I remember the first time I underestimated a pilot... Oddly enough that pilot was Derrith. It was the night before 1.8, gal Lag facility, skirm.

Derrith punished me royally. I thought it was going to be an easy kill cause he had less than 3k aHP.... Big mistake, and I've learned from that.



I treat all pilots the same... I see an ADS, i swing them a "1v1?" message and go.

Tl; dr: fits don't really matter... What matters is how you use that fit to your advantage. Oh and sorry for my storytelling

The thing is though that guy is just wasting people's time and not getting much of anything done. You can optimize better. What you say is the basic idea of what the game is supposed to be. But the roles you're filling can be filled by there things and infantry much better. Your builds are fun to role around in in a non competitive setting but they aren't doing much to win the fight. By using your advantages of speed and range and building around them you can get to enemy hp as soon as they do, keep links up, draw more people than needed to av giving your team the numbers advantage, harass infantry, ect. In a truly competitive setting the ads is king of the role is was designed for which was not infantry slaying gunship wit massive tank and this has been pointed out in multiple threads by lord rat rat. The advantage of range, speed, and the ability to always get away if you don't get too close and make mistakes allows you to do your job with minimum risk still. Those are facts.

Ps incubis with a cru is a viable fit for getting people into the city on bridge map and getting links up but not designed to last but designed to get it's job done. That fit is actually more efficient than a lot posted here.

Incubus w/ mCru isn't as efficient as you think.

Only being able to take 2 people (unless you decide to use turrets), is far more detrimental that you make it appear.

1st, low mobility.

It's only good assuming no AV will be present.. assumptions are bad.
Getting caught in an ugly place (which ALWAYS happens, 100%)... Lacking the mobility can be detrimental.

2nd, people being kicked out ADS.

mCru + full vehicle = drop from where you spawn. The ADS having 2 (or 4 if you want to fill it) seats means whoever else might be spawning... Will get removed.

3rd, must be terminated to use mCru.

That makes sense already. Landing, hopping out, and dropping a link is simply the best thing to do.

For a mCru, i'd shove it into a Grimsnes or Myron... I have a python fit with mCru but I use that only when we lost majority of our uplinks.

In a competitive setting (PC) an AV incubus (the fit I use) is actually excellent at the role; it compliments infantry AV well, and allows me to keep the airspace as safe as possible.

My builds are the builds, it's up to me to make the build assist in winning a fight. E.G: If there are no vehicles, why would I stick with AV?

In pubs, what am I doing? AV. That is important to winning the fight no?

I also end up being the taxi (as my corpmates would call me) anytime I can; quick transportation. Tbh, the ADS does many useful things.

Also,
Fits can only be optimized so far:

E.G: I used to use 300 rep incubus, but I realized the delay on AB was long, i couldn't be as aggressive air to air.

Played around with the fit. Now I use 281 rep + comp AB. I gave up rep to "optimize" my fitting. For my playstyle, nothing beats this fit; it's the epitome of all my Incubus fittings, possibly even all my fittings.

It's like optimizing for cost, you'd want lower suit costs for suits while keeping it just as effective. Basic shield extend vs Mlt shield extend? If you got the resources then.... Might as well.

Anyway, i said it was Air to Air... So that 2x hard fit is more of a waste of time for me, but a serious advantage for the other. If they were able to shoot me down in the "wave of opportunity" their fit was designed for, then, well... That's it.

Gunner fit: point defense, area denial. My gunner lets me know my distance, we can lock off a section of the map until s/he runs out of ammo. That is extremely helpful to the team
We can not only be a force multiplier, we can also be AV and providing uplinks (if someone has them) for the team.

But that's not what I was talking about anyway, I'm saying you can't entirely judge someone's experience based on fit. See? We even had our disagreement in fits but I don't think nothing more or less about your ADS piloting skills.

I can only base someone's skill when I see it in action. That's what I'm trying to say

Dammit! I had the entire reply typed out... To find out there's no draft :(

So I'll make it brief.
-At the same time, building fits that specific leaves the realm of typical fits.. Saying it's only bridge map means one thing, one thing only: Special Fit.

Special fits are fits that define their own role, and goes against the average person's fit / fitting style.

A really good example back when Madrugars had 4000 aHP was this fit I've seen chilling against the redline.
It moved as slow as molasses (all plates and 1 rep) but that redline special fit was not dying.

Another example is my tower attack python.

Mad Syringe seen it in action.... It's beautiful even though i have 1548 sHP.

Mmhm, I've seen 2 rep + hard but there is one reason why I'll never run that fit by this logic.

Either I have everything ready whenever (other than AB) or should I depend on the wait. I've tried it... But the instant gratification that comes from rep > waiting on hards to be at 100%

No one uses 4.2k in air to air anymore.... Rarely.


Lol dw, about blunt or not. I realized it's some (rare) civilized discourse. I like that.

Ugh I'm falling asleep, and I don't trust drafts anymore. I'll end here for now.

Sqd up sometime man I just got my ps3 back from my friend I loaned it to. I want to make some demonstration videos when I can convince my friend that records to get on.

I record but don't mic up, I've been putting out some ADS vids the past couple days so let me know if you're on just in case I am too. I've got no problems recording some matches

I found a fit that is amazing!!! I'm able to stay alive for so much longer.

( Basic heavy shield extender, complex shield hardener, complex afterburner, complex pg upgrade, and XT missiles )

I found a fit that is amazing!!! I'm able to stay alive for so much longer.

( Basic heavy shield extender, complex shield hardener, complex afterburner, complex pg upgrade, and XT missiles )

some ones been saying this the whole time....