Yes but even though you need to pay a couple hundred thousand isk for that officer swarm. An ADS costs more. The thing is that infantry can make money like it's no big deal, just run a starter fits or APEX for a couple matches. If you fly an ADS, if you drive a tank or LAV. You are not able to make a profit one way or the other.

The thing is. This ties into bad matchmaking. So what if those guys are spending their time trying to take you down? Why does it matter if your team is already redlined by the 12 other people?

Isk cost is not a valid way to go about balance. Lord rat rat said that long ago. I'm never broke from my ads either I made my whole fortune that way.

It's a dropship, not a gunship.

90% of your survivability is derived from your mobility.

ADS is this games equvilent of a gunship. Normal Dropships are Dropships equvilent to a heuy.

It's a dropship, not a gunship.

90% of your survivability is derived from your mobility.

The thing is. This ties into bad matchmaking. So what if those guys are spending their time trying to take you down? Why does it matter if your team is already redlined by the 12 other people?

Eb ads is terrible and ghosts team isn't elite and we had good fights vs you when we were active. If you had good ads pilots they would be praised same as Derrith, Parthok, and me. FA always used at least one tank and 1-2 ads. Also the use of av has more to do with overwatch spam not balance issues.

I wasn't around in EB for those battles you refer to, but i'm sure what you say is true. That doesn't change the facts about the financial comparisons of vehicle v AV though.

We have as good of ads pilots as i'm looking for, and they do what I ask. Being praised by your 20 man circle isn't praise

I'm not arguing the skill of the pilot from pilot to pilot, that's a moot point. I'm arguing the fact that AV is indeed proto while ADS not so much. AV yields insane points, and a monkey can do it, ADS not so much. I haven't really went in depth, or added tanks to the equation yet?!

Even the best pilot's die once, and lose half their PC earnings. AV guy can die once, and isn't even phased financially.

One more thing!

I humbly request that any vet stop bringing up unbalanced PC hay days if they're going to keep ending every statement with "but we don't play this game anymore"

Well that's helpful?! You guys were outclassing 85% of the playerbase in experience and SP, but want to do a comparison of greatness? I don't get that mentality. Half the playerbase just recently realized what SSD cards were, but you wanna say that they all suck lol! Well, ofcourse they sucked back then! You guys were the equivalent of armored mechs vs primative rock throwers?!

If you still play by all means have at it, but if you're "retired" do us all a favor and STFU! Also, if you're playing with a titan one, or any of the other performance enhancing modifications please DO NOT tell us how great your 1v1 skills are?! Seriously?!

Not directly aimed at you Moores, but there's been a large amount of this behavior lately here in the forums, and some of these guys were second string at best by today's standards?! Trying to compare themselves to guys who didn't rock mods who really played well with the team is an insult that I won't tolerate. There were some really good players back then that really were doing it! They deserve their credit, but some of them were simply on the PC team?! Not tactical at all, and couldn't lead 3 little girls out of a wet paper bag?!

Some of them I've never even seen in PC, or heard of, but he slapping on the vet tag saying "well "WE" stop playing this game a while ago cuz everyone sucks but "US"?! I'm reading this sh*t like "who the f*ck is this guy?"

I'm the last guy to ever claim i'm better than anyone else at a role, and enjoy learning from friend and foe alike. These arrogant *sshholes are annoying, and forget how bad the game was back when they were whoever they say they were?! The game is still horribly balanced at best, and there has been FOTM the entire time that guys have taken advantage of. Try that heavy/logi sh*t nowadays and see where it gets you lol!

My hat goes off to any merc willing to fly these skies at any point in this games history because frankly the dropship clearly has been on the back burner on CCP's list for a very long time. Hell i'm a tanker when it comes to vehicles, and can't fly a lick, but I feel their pain trying to do a role that isn't even complete yet?!

Currently, playing PC with almost every merc on the field capable of the same versatility is much harder in my opinion than back in the day when mercs still had skill points all over the place. Back then how many mercs were you guys killing that had 20 mil SP in all their dropsuit upgrades maxed out? How many were prof 5 in every weapon they had, with year's of experience using them? How many had endless versatility in dropsuits and vehicles alike? How many of those teams you faced had a worth while FC? What was the FOTM then lol?

You get what I mean? Some of those vets still play, and if they're honest can vouch for the improved gameplay of yesterday's rookies. I myself, at that time would've been barely at 15 mil SP?! Who was I gonna rock at that level when guys in PC were closing on 80+ mil SP lol? The idea is absurd lol!

Today, literally every merc I face is prof 5, upgrades maxed, year's of experience, and old school knife tricks ain't working on them no more lol! These guys transition fast, adapt quickly, and can do almost everything at the drop of a dime!

I wouldn't compare stack teams of vets killing noobs to the teams of today. Currently EB has beaten every team fighting currently in PC. They aren't the same EB from the past. I wouldn't be here if they were! We don't beat any drums, and raise any flags. We grind away, argue like cats and dogs over tactics, (win or lose lol), and we are still training new players everyday. Some can hack it, and some can't.

I'm positive if the old OH, FA, and others got together and played again they'd be a force to be reckoned with, and frankly we'd appreciate the help since the spanish now outnumber us 3 to 1?! However, we're what's left of the american playerbase holding it down as best we can, and I'd appreciate a tad bit of credit where it is due. Thank you o7

Either way it didn't change that ads had distinct advantages it can rely on. Range, a line that if you don't cross while in lock range that allows you to get away, and mobility.
Engage with hardner on after first swarm hitn your burner and leave while identifying where the threat is. Turn hardner off before you are completely away and the burner when you're safe. You can now reengage knowing where the threat is and hit him from where he can't lock then land and place a link securing the overwatch. This is the basics. There is no way they can take you n out short of three perfectly timed calmandos using beacons and at that point you've pulled enough away from the real fight to still be doing your job. Call for your teammates at that point to wipe them and retake overwatch. Team play is op you know? Till then you can help on another objective. There is no large balance issue. As I said before ALL I do I pc is ads.


Ps what is up with the faIle quoting today?

As I already mentioned I already know how to fly a Dropships, I did it when it was suicide. When the accepted way was to afterburner out as soon as someone launched a volley. I did it without the afterburner. Still went positive.

But as I said when I first commented on this thread this no real place for DS and ADS. The maps are too small and to open.

Seems paradoxical hug?
P.S you missed a end of quote tag.

Waves of opportunity would be an excellent system if the redline didn't exist. Having a risk free safe haven to retreat to is the only reason it caused imbalance.

You think the red line is a safe haven. But it isn't. The many Thale's/Symb's I've killed is a testament to that.

It might not be a safe haven for infantry but it sure as hell is for vehicles.

Nope. That's why I have a Sica with a fuel injector and 4 complex damage mods.

Which is still useless vs dropships and most tanks that know how to drive. All they have to do is drive as well as or better than you for 15 seconds and they win. Also your paper cannon will likely explode to AV on your way if your opponent is playing the game.

You think the red line is a safe haven. But it isn't. The many Thale's/Symb's I've killed is a testament to that.

Waves of opportunity would be an excellent system if the redline didn't exist. Having a risk free safe haven to retreat to is the only reason it caused imbalance.

Yeah, vehicles are so OP that when PC teams se a lot of them they don't get vehicles to counter... they all go AV...

They know that they got a better chance with AV and turrets than they do grabbing a tank themselves against good tankers or dropship pilots, period! Also, the AV cost 10x less!

Besides. 1 AVer shouldn't be able to kill a vehicle by himself, it should take teamwork. The most 1 AVer should be able to do is scare them off.

Drop missle extneder lol use pg upgrade then just use enhanced hvy shields pro burner and enhanced hardner. Learn to rotate your mods and engage accordingly that fit is complete garbage. No disrespect intended. You can also use a burner complex hvy extrender and basic hardner increasing survivability but decreasing engagement and reengagement time. You can replace your hardner with a booster if you like but it really just isn't as good. There are a couple other good fits and I can even give you ones with multi turrets and the same survivability.

Engage with hardner on after first swarm hitn your burner and leave while identifying where the threat is. Turn hardner off before you are completely away and the burner when you're safe. You can now reengage knowing where the threat is and hit him from where he can't lock then land and place a link securing the overwatch. This is the basics. There is no way they can take you n out short of three perfectly timed calmandos using beacons and at that point you've pulled enough away from the real fight to still be doing your job. Call for your teammates at that point to wipe them and retake overwatch. Team play is op you know? Till then you can help on another objective. There is no large balance issue. As I said before ALL I do I pc is ads.

This is why people think ads is weak and others strong. There just aren't enough experienced pilots anymore in the game. People find the very rare good ones and can't ever kill them because we know our advantage and disadvantage. The ones that aren't as experienced lose tons of isk and think av needs nerfed.

Besides. 1 AVer shouldn't be able to kill a vehicle by himself, it should take teamwork. The most 1 AVer should be able to do is scare them off.