CAN YOU PLZ NERF SWARMS LIKE REALLY!!!! OR CAN YOU ACTUALLY BUFF THE ADS!!! Im not sure if your considering more than 1 set of swarms but its something to consider. If I pull out and ADS then they with pull out AV. I don't have a problem with that other than swarms and rail guns. PLZ fix.

back to fallout 4

Why don't people who fly Dropships do the same?

More people need to run rail LAV with two AV in it, easily the most frustrating thing to deal with as a pilot other than another skilled AV incubus.

I've got a Saga with two complex rail damage mods and a proto small rail, every now and then I'll deploy it and run around the quiet parts of the map

its ridiculous how much damage it can put out, most dropships and even some tanks die before they figure out wtf is shooting at them


Unfortunately it also dies the instant its spotted

One thing and one thing only.

A tank doesn't have the mobility to evade swarms...
So... The fix is simple.

Make it dodgable

Yep, say it with me everybody, "Reduce swarms curve trajectory capability".

Reduce swarms curve trajectory capability

Great, now say, "The greater good"

if a railgun tank can kill me from twice the distance that I can use my swarms, then swarms do not need a nerf.

Yeah, vehicles are so OP that when PC teams se a lot of them they don't get vehicles to counter... they all go AV...

They know that they got a better chance with AV and turrets than they do grabbing a tank themselves against good tankers or dropship pilots, period! Also, the AV cost 10x less!

Drop missle extneder lol use pg upgrade then just use enhanced hvy shields pro burner and enhanced hardner. Learn to rotate your mods and engage accordingly that fit is complete garbage. No disrespect intended. You can also use a burner complex hvy extrender and basic hardner increasing survivability but decreasing engagement and reengagement time. You can replace your hardner with a booster if you like but it really just isn't as good. There are a couple other good fits and I can even give you ones with multi turrets and the same survivability.

Engage with hardner on after first swarm hitn your burner and leave while identifying where the threat is. Turn hardner off before you are completely away and the burner when you're safe. You can now reengage knowing where the threat is and hit him from where he can't lock then land and place a link securing the overwatch. This is the basics. There is no way they can take you n out short of three perfectly timed calmandos using beacons and at that point you've pulled enough away from the real fight to still be doing your job. Call for your teammates at that point to wipe them and retake overwatch. Team play is op you know? Till then you can help on another objective. There is no large balance issue. As I said before ALL I do I pc is ads.

This is why people think ads is weak and others strong. There just aren't enough experienced pilots anymore in the game. People find the very rare good ones and can't ever kill them because we know our advantage and disadvantage. The ones that aren't as experienced lose tons of isk and think av needs nerfed.

if a railgun tank can kill me from twice the distance that I can use my swarms, then swarms do not need a nerf.

... Did you read the forum before posting?

This is actually a ADS vs Swarm topic... Not tank vs swarms.

Thank you!

Heavy plate used to be good but anti armor AV does so much damage now you're better off with a light plate and a hardener so you can AB out as soon as you hear AV.

Actually I said both.

The radius nerf is what makes it possible to swing around cover in time. It did work actually. Read my above/below post to learn how to fit and fly a python. The op didn't even know how to fit his python when he made this post

Drop missle extneder lol use pg upgrade then just use enhanced hvy shields pro burner and enhanced hardner. Learn to rotate your mods and engage accordingly that fit is complete garbage. No disrespect intended. You can also use a burner complex hvy extrender and basic hardner increasing survivability but decreasing engagement and reengagement time. You can replace your hardner with a booster if you like but it really just isn't as good. There are a couple other good fits and I can even give you ones with multi turrets and the same survivability.

Engage with hardner on after first swarm hitn your burner and leave while identifying where the threat is. Turn hardner off before you are completely away and the burner when you're safe. You can now reengage knowing where the threat is and hit him from where he can't lock then land and place a link securing the overwatch. This is the basics. There is no way they can take you n out short of three perfectly timed calmandos using beacons and at that point you've pulled enough away from the real fight to still be doing your job. Call for your teammates at that point to wipe them and retake overwatch. Team play is op you know? Till then you can help on another objective. There is no large balance issue. As I said before ALL I do I pc is ads.

This is why people think ads is weak and others strong. There just aren't enough experienced pilots anymore in the game. People find the very rare good ones and can't ever kill them because we know our advantage and disadvantage. The ones that aren't as experienced lose tons of isk and think av needs nerfed.

2) Cover? In mid-air? Kind of defeats the point of gunship don't you think.

It's a dropship, not a gunship.

90% of your survivability is derived from your mobility.

Yes, but what is the point of mobility if you have no chance of dodging the AV rounds being fired at you?

Thats the git guwd part of the game, your responsible to protect yourself with positioning your dropship in a viable area that you can survive, use the structures and your speed theyre supposed to be killable. Invincible dropship should never be a thing again. swarms are the most used av, if they were nerfed you would be right back here on a different thread crying about the big bad dropship that made your team rage quit.

Thank you for your "advice" but . . . .

1) I was one of the experienced pilots in the game, not particularly note worthy, but I could easily force a team to pack 4-5 swarms to try and get me.

2) Cover? In mid-air? Kind of defeats the point of gunship don't you think. The turning circle Nerf was supposed to allow Dropships with experienced pilots to physically dodge swarms. Instead they got it wrong and you ended up with swarms that couldn't get round corners, but would do a 180 5m from your Dropships to hit your weak point.

There is nothing you can "git gud" for against 4 volleys of officer swarms. I'm not even a dropship pilot. You want to know why I'm posting here then? Because I know what dropship pilots have to deal with. One of my corpmates is a dropship pilot and he only complains about two things. Swarms, and installations.

There is nothing you can "git gud" for against 4 volleys of officer swarms. I'm not even a dropship pilot. You want to know why I'm posting here then? Because I know what dropship pilots have to deal with. One of my corpmates is a dropship pilot and he only complains about two things. Swarms, and installations.

Thats why theyre officer swarms... should they not be able to bring it down? they cant bring down a grim or myron nearly as easy and ads is less survivable sounds like working as intended.

There is nothing you can "git gud" for against 4 volleys of officer swarms. I'm not even a dropship pilot. You want to know why I'm posting here then? Because I know what dropship pilots have to deal with. One of my corpmates is a dropship pilot and he only complains about two things. Swarms, and installations.

I'm one of the original and long time haters of swarms, but even I have to scratch my head at this.

Are you saying on person put out 4 volleys from their officer swarm? In that case I ask, why in gods name did he stick around for a full clip, a reload, and a renewed volley?

If you're talking about 4 players pulling out officer AV and coordinating an attack on the dropship, then to put it simply, you're doing your job. One player is forcing 4 to work in unison and to not be taking points. And if there timing isn't perfect you can jet out of there and possibly duck around buildings or simply outpace swarms further behind you.

And lastly as someone with 0 SP in infantry even I will admit, sometimes you're just outmatched. Sometimes the opponent has too strong of an AV pressence, and you have to switch it up. You can't win every fight, but if you're forcing 4 players to chase you around then you've already done your job.