(enhanced heavy shield + booster + hardener + shield regulation level 5)

While I agree that thumb skill plays no part in swarm operation. Sp is a major factor. Swarms are useless until proto, and I would argue, reload five. And I would argue further, damage mod five, and procalmando.

Everyone also seems to forget, that while looking up, you aren't looking around. Making you target number one, that shoots smoking, loud projectiles, with your fly unzipped.

I don't have a buff/nerf cry... Just pointing out stuff people neglected to mention.

I gave up on it..got my sp back..ads is fun but not when AV flings you into the building or ground causing instant death

I'll tell you why this is never going to change. It's quite simple really.

HAV's

We are trying to balance HAV's and ADS with the same stick. In reality we are playing on maps that are too small for Dropships to really exist on.

And we don't have enough Urban/Close quarters spaces for direct fire AV to really be viable.

But forge guns are viableNot in closed environments, not with that charge time they aren't. Never have been. So that role falls to the swarm launcher.

So now we are balancing a lock-on weapon against a tank, so it will never be balanced against a gunship.

Believe it or not they tried that by making the turning circles wider.

Guess what . . . .

Dropships still got hit, but now tanks couldn't get hit at all in urban environments, the rockets just piled into the ground.

if a railgun tank can kill me from twice the distance that I can use my swarms, then swarms do not need a nerf.

Actually I said both.

You think the red line is a safe haven. But it isn't. The many Thale's/Symb's I've killed is a testament to that.

[quote=Shamarskii Simon]


If someone changed from something that can two/three shot and punish royally on the sweet spot (1 shot wyr breach on inky) to something else that doesn't require the same level of accuracy or dedication... There's an issue.


Just to let you know even the wyr take 2 shots on inky to take down

No one runs 2x armour hardner on an incubis. None of the pro pilots I know anyways. It's simpy not a good fit at all and easy to take down. This is why I question most of the experience here. People aren't even throwing up viable fits.

The thing is though that guy is just wasting people's time and not getting much of anything done. You can optimize better. What you say is the basic idea of what the game is supposed to be. But the roles you're filling can be filled by there things and infantry much better. Your builds are fun to role around in in a non competitive setting but they aren't doing much to win the fight. By using your advantages of speed and range and building around them you can get to enemy hp as soon as they do, keep links up, draw more people than needed to av giving your team the numbers advantage, harass infantry, ect. In a truly competitive setting the ads is king of the role is was designed for which was not infantry slaying gunship wit massive tank and this has been pointed out in multiple threads by lord rat rat. The advantage of range, speed, and the ability to always get away if you don't get too close and make mistakes allows you to do your job with minimum risk still. Those are facts.

Ps incubis with a cru is a viable fit for getting people into the city on bridge map and getting links up but not designed to last but designed to get it's job done. That fit is actually more efficient than a lot posted here.

I record but don't mic up, I've been putting out some ADS vids the past couple days so let me know if you're on just in case I am too. I've got no problems recording some matches