While I agree that thumb skill plays no part in swarm operation. Sp is a major factor. Swarms are useless until proto, and I would argue, reload five. And I would argue further, damage mod five, and procalmando.

Everyone also seems to forget, that while looking up, you aren't looking around. Making you target number one, that shoots smoking, loud projectiles, with your fly unzipped.

I don't have a buff/nerf cry... Just pointing out stuff people neglected to mention.

Yep, say it with me everybody, "Reduce swarms curve trajectory capability".

It's a dropship, not a gunship.

90% of your survivability is derived from your mobility.

Thats the git guwd part of the game, your responsible to protect yourself with positioning your dropship in a viable area that you can survive, use the structures and your speed theyre supposed to be killable. Invincible dropship should never be a thing again. swarms are the most used av, if they were nerfed you would be right back here on a different thread crying about the big bad dropship that made your team rage quit.

There is nothing you can "git gud" for against 4 volleys of officer swarms. I'm not even a dropship pilot. You want to know why I'm posting here then? Because I know what dropship pilots have to deal with. One of my corpmates is a dropship pilot and he only complains about two things. Swarms, and installations.

I'm one of the original and long time haters of swarms, but even I have to scratch my head at this.

Are you saying on person put out 4 volleys from their officer swarm? In that case I ask, why in gods name did he stick around for a full clip, a reload, and a renewed volley?

If you're talking about 4 players pulling out officer AV and coordinating an attack on the dropship, then to put it simply, you're doing your job. One player is forcing 4 to work in unison and to not be taking points. And if there timing isn't perfect you can jet out of there and possibly duck around buildings or simply outpace swarms further behind you.

And lastly as someone with 0 SP in infantry even I will admit, sometimes you're just outmatched. Sometimes the opponent has too strong of an AV pressence, and you have to switch it up. You can't win every fight, but if you're forcing 4 players to chase you around then you've already done your job.

Yes but even though you need to pay a couple hundred thousand isk for that officer swarm. An ADS costs more. The thing is that infantry can make money like it's no big deal, just run a starter fits or APEX for a couple matches. If you fly an ADS, if you drive a tank or LAV. You are not able to make a profit one way or the other.

ADS is this games equvilent of a gunship. Normal Dropships are Dropships equvilent to a heuy.

Waves of opportunity would be an excellent system if the redline didn't exist. Having a risk free safe haven to retreat to is the only reason it caused imbalance.

It might not be a safe haven for infantry but it sure as hell is for vehicles.

Which is still useless vs dropships and most tanks that know how to drive. All they have to do is drive as well as or better than you for 15 seconds and they win. Also your paper cannon will likely explode to AV on your way if your opponent is playing the game.