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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

The ability to damage the MCC with turrets.

Just do it and let's see what happens. Might be surprised.

Should be a very simple change.

I don't see the problem with damaging the MCC with turret installations. Makes destroying them all the more necessary. Vehicle large turrets though, NO!

Explain your objection. The entire purpose behind this would be to alter the vehicle meta to relevance beyond shooting at infantry all day.

It would turn matches into one big tankfest (most likely from the redline) too much emphasis on tanks being the thing to pull out to shoot at the MCC. Focus shouldn't be shifted to a tankfest situation, especially when it is about just pulling up and firing at a stationary target.

This would further stagnate the game. Besides, we have a perfect MCC weapon in the installation turrets and like I said above, this would also give turrets more tactical importance.

A better idea for vehicles would be to allow null cannons to be destructible and vehicles can fire at those. They are out there on the map and vehicles would have to move around. Infantry can be more engaged in fighting the tanks too rather than a line of tanks ganged up shooting the MCC. The null cannons are down where the action is otherwise.

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Professor Mehaffey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 38	Posted - 2015.11.29 06:32:00 - [151] - Quote Amarr counters the Caldari, Caldari counter the Gallente, Gallente counter the Minmatar, Minmatar counters the Amarr. At least in relation to weapon profiling. Changing NPE, one blueberry at a time. Join Fire and Gold Academy today!
Professor Mehaffey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 38	Posted - 2015.11.29 06:33:00 - [152] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: LittleCuteBunny wrote: Less Splash 514 more Aim 514. OMG...PREACH!!! I've been saying that this game is Explosives 514 since the beta. Never seen a game with so many mechanics where you can miss and still kill the enemy. Better yet, the weapons that kill when they miss are sometimes better than the ones requiring skill. team fortress 2 planetside 2 infantry & vehicles souls' series special's mw2 etc Pokemon. Changing NPE, one blueberry at a time. Join Fire and Gold Academy today!
duster 35000 655	Posted - 2015.11.29 06:35:00 - [153] - Quote Professor Mehaffey wrote: Amarr counters the Caldari, Caldari counter the Gallente, Gallente counter the Minmatar, Minmatar counters the Amarr. At least in relation to weapon profiling. amarr counter caldari & minmatar gallente counter caldari & minmatar ARR, CR & ACR are the only counter-ish weapons vs armor actual gameplay wise We'll bang ok? Shitposting at level 5 proficiency 5
Saint Winter The Warlords Legion 172	Posted - 2015.11.29 06:36:00 - [154] - Quote This Feedback is short but maybe not so easy. I want all the items of the game (Grenades, Weapons, Modules, and Equipment) has its variants in their 3 levels (STD, ADV PRO). And also add some new types of grenades.
duster 35000 655	Posted - 2015.11.29 06:50:00 - [155] - Quote ADS damage reduction 15%-25% reduce plasma (maybe?) & laser profile damage to shield to 105%-110% shield damage and change the armor profile to 85%-90% shields will never be balanced until something like that happens We'll bang ok? Shitposting at level 5 proficiency 5
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2	Posted - 2015.11.29 07:01:00 - [156] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: LittleCuteBunny wrote: Less Splash 514 more Aim 514. OMG...PREACH!!! I've been saying that this game is Explosives 514 since the beta. Never seen a game with so many mechanics where you can miss and still kill the enemy. Better yet, the weapons that kill when they miss are sometimes better than the ones requiring skill. Play much Destiny? Not to re-derail your thread, but pointing to Destiny when an issue comes up in Dust is a complete dodge. The only things they have in common with each other really is that they are both shooters and contain the same basic playstyle of a shooter. Time investment, customization, movement speed, TTK, aim assist, weapon skills, class skills... I could easily go on, but all these things and more are drastically different between these games and have an impact as to whether or not a tactic should be kept in game as a viable option. Couldn't keep my mouth shut on it, sorry, but that's all I'll say on it in this thread. On topic - Mercy Rule implemented. añ¼añ+añ¦-añ¬añ+añƒañ¦-añÿañ¿añ+añ+añ¦-añªañ+añùañ¿aÑìaññ *"Baal comes...and destruction follows him like a storm."* añ¿añ+añ¦añ¿aÑìaññañ¦añ+añ¿aÑìañºañòañ+añ¦añ+aññ-añªañ+añùañ¿aÑìaññ-añ¦añ¦añÖaÑìañù
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San 1	Posted - 2015.11.29 07:05:00 - [157] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: ADS damage reduction 15%-25% reduce plasma (maybe?) & laser profile damage to shield to 105%-110% shield damage and change the armor profile to 85%-90% shields will never be balanced until something like that happens Laser rifles will just be better if theyre changedlike that honestly, i can see them having the only profile that isnt uniform as it should be like 80% armor 110% shield to not put them over the top by slaughtering armor faster yet giving shields at least a tiny chance to not get 700 shields ripped off instantly. But ScRs do need a change to not be absolute trash against armor- honestly a slower ROF and higher amount of shots before overheat with the profile change you mentioned would be ideal IMO. Your post is making me facepalm. ò.ó Nyan!~~=[,,..,,]:3 Nyain SanGäó (rated ® for rape) is currently accepting hatemails.
Aeon Amadi 13	Posted - 2015.11.29 07:07:00 - [158] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: LittleCuteBunny wrote: Less Splash 514 more Aim 514. OMG...PREACH!!! I've been saying that this game is Explosives 514 since the beta. Never seen a game with so many mechanics where you can miss and still kill the enemy. Better yet, the weapons that kill when they miss are sometimes better than the ones requiring skill. Play much Destiny? Not to re-derail your thread, but pointing to Destiny when an issue comes up in Dust is a complete dodge. The only things they have in common with each other really is that they are both shooters and contain the same basic playstyle of a shooter. Time investment, customization, movement speed, TTK, aim assist, weapon skills, class skills... I could easily go on, but all these things and more are drastically different between these games and have an impact as to whether or not a tactic should be kept in game as a viable option. Couldn't keep my mouth shut on it, sorry, but that's all I'll say on it in this thread. On topic - Mercy Rule implemented. He said "never seen a game with so many mechanics where you can miss and still kill the enemy". Destiny was the comparison. Context. Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav
Raven-747 WarRavens Imperium Eden 247	Posted - 2015.11.29 07:11:00 - [159] - Quote Since the topic is locked I'll just say it here. Fix Scrambler rifles. When you headshot a frontline with proto
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 5	Posted - 2015.11.29 08:20:00 - [160] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: The ability to damage the MCC with turrets. Just do it and let's see what happens. Might be surprised. Should be a very simple change. I don't see the problem with damaging the MCC with turret installations. Makes destroying them all the more necessary. Vehicle large turrets though, NO! Explain your objection. The entire purpose behind this would be to alter the vehicle meta to relevance beyond shooting at infantry all day. It would turn matches into one big tankfest (most likely from the redline) too much emphasis on tanks being the thing to pull out to shoot at the MCC. Focus shouldn't be shifted to a tankfest situation, especially when it is about just pulling up and firing at a stationary target. This would further stagnate the game. Besides, we have a perfect MCC weapon in the installation turrets and like I said above, this would also give turrets more tactical importance. A better idea for vehicles would be to allow null cannons to be destructible and vehicles can fire at those. They are out there on the map and vehicles would have to move around. Infantry can be more engaged in fighting the tanks too rather than a line of tanks ganged up shooting the MCC. The null cannons are down where the action is otherwise. I can't really argue against you because your argument is pure speculation as to how players would react to the change. Neither you nor I know how it would really go down. I can predict that your scenario of making null cannons vulnerable would promote just as much "tank spam" as my solution though, so there is no difference. As it stands currently, installations are already farmed by dedicated tankers for points so this wouldnt make much impact on gameplay by itself. Only installations within 400m of the MCC would be able to do anything anyway, and of those, only rails. It wouldn't have much of any impact on the game. I would, however, like you to define tank spam in terms of numbers. Tanks are expensive and frankly pretty fragile once the enemy team decides they want them dead. I don't think 3 to 5 tanks always being present on the field would really be a problem for the game. Nor do I think that 10+ tanks would be a typical reality either -- even good tankers have to play conservatively if they don't want to go bankrupt. I do believe that this would shift the meta to focus more on the outside of the map than on the inside, but I don't see that as a problem. Inside points are closer together and can typically be held by a few competent people, while the outside is where most of the MCC damage be scored and where the battle rages the fiercest. In the end, it would just be one meta shakeup in a long line of shakeups. A different pace to play the game at for a while. Currently, the meta forces most teams to slam as many bodies in the city as possible for the win which, at least at the time of the current Dust build, is very bad for the stability of the client. I think anything we can do to passively push the meta away from that is a good idea. Usually banned for being too awesome.

Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2	Posted - 2015.11.29 13:49:00 - [161] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: LittleCuteBunny wrote: Less Splash 514 more Aim 514. OMG...PREACH!!! I've been saying that this game is Explosives 514 since the beta. Never seen a game with so many mechanics where you can miss and still kill the enemy. Better yet, the weapons that kill when they miss are sometimes better than the ones requiring skill. Play much Destiny? Not to re-derail your thread, but pointing to Destiny when an issue comes up in Dust is a complete dodge. The only things they have in common with each other really is that they are both shooters and contain the same basic playstyle of a shooter. Time investment, customization, movement speed, TTK, aim assist, weapon skills, class skills... I could easily go on, but all these things and more are drastically different between these games and have an impact as to whether or not a tactic should be kept in game as a viable option. Couldn't keep my mouth shut on it, sorry, but that's all I'll say on it in this thread. On topic - Mercy Rule implemented. He said "never seen a game with so many mechanics where you can miss and still kill the enemy". Destiny was the comparison. Context. Please don't do this. The context is you bringing up game A that has the above listed differences with game B when we are supposed to be here to discuss improvement to game B. You are correct that game A has significantly more occurrences of the mentioned issue, but that in no way pertains to the issue facing this game that was brought up. Instead of responding to the point or ignoring the post you distract by posting a comparison to a game with a worse case of the same issue even though the surrounding factors in that other game completely separate it from being relevant to fixing or adjusting this one. Context is important, and the context of your thread isn't other games. I hate to be a ** about it but I was really hoping for something more stimulating than discussing this. añ¼añ+añ¦-añ¬añ+añƒañ¦-añÿañ¿añ+añ+añ¦-añªañ+añùañ¿aÑìaññ "Baal comes...and destruction follows him like a storm."** añ¿añ+añ¦añ¿aÑìaññañ¦añ+añ¿aÑìañºañòañ+añ¦añ+aññ-añªañ+añùañ¿aÑìaññ-añ¦añ¦añÖaÑìañù
Aeon Amadi 13	Posted - 2015.11.29 13:52:00 - [162] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Please don't do this. The context is you bringing up game A that has the above listed differences with game B when we are supposed to be here to discuss improvement to game B. You are correct that game A has significantly more occurrences of the mentioned issue, but that in no way pertains to the issue facing this game that was brought up. Instead of responding to the point or ignoring the post you distract by posting a comparison to a game with a worse case of the same issue even though the surrounding factors in that other game completely separate it from being relevant to fixing or adjusting this one. Context is important, and the context of your thread isn't other games. I hate to be a **** about it but I was really hoping for something more stimulating than discussing this. Really not in the mood for this damned if you do damned if you don't routine. Take it somewhere else. Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav
Egypt Musk Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 194	Posted - 2015.11.29 14:52:00 - [163] - Quote Wow Aeon you finally get to be cpm of a pathetic and dead game and this is what you do with it. LMAO enjoy givin ratti n sux4 mouth hugs at fan fest. Try not to rage quit life when they shut down the game BWAHAHA Nvr 4get what ccp did http://jestertrek.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/fanfest-day-two-red-wedding.html
Milita Mable CYBER COBRAS ALT 61	Posted - 2015.11.29 19:08:00 - [164] - Quote Minimum requirements to join FW. 2,000,000 sp.
Aeon Amadi 13	Posted - 2015.11.29 19:10:00 - [165] - Quote Egypt Musk wrote: Wow Aeon you finally get to be cpm of a pathetic and dead game and this is what you do with it. LMAO enjoy givin ratti n sux4 mouth hugs at fan fest. Try not to rage quit life when they shut down the game BWAHAHA Lol, says the guy who hasn't been around in over a year. Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav
Milita Mable CYBER COBRAS ALT 61	Posted - 2015.11.29 19:10:00 - [166] - Quote Aquisition and domination to be combined into one que.
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.11.29 20:03:00 - [167] - Quote More frequent objective changes in acquisition. This has been mentioned a lot on the forums since the mode's introduction and pretty much everyone I speak to in game seem to agree.
Grimmiers 905	Posted - 2015.11.29 20:17:00 - [168] - Quote Almost forgot... not sure if this would be doable server side. Team chat needs to be accessible during a battle again and It'd be great to be able to toggle channels with the select button or something. Reason being the new players need a better way to communicate whether it's a good or bad experience so they can learn. I remember closed beta team chat having a lot players helping each other. There was also the time where you could hear some of the enemy team which was pretty funny.
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 640	Posted - 2015.11.29 21:46:00 - [169] - Quote Power Core system to aide in game performance Or Plasma turret for use. Let's face it you feel like you saw a unicorn when you see an ADS with a blaster turret and my Gallente ADS uses missiles.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 4	Posted - 2015.11.29 22:30:00 - [170] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: LittleCuteBunny wrote: Less Splash 514 more Aim 514. OMG...PREACH!!! I've been saying that this game is Explosives 514 since the beta. Never seen a game with so many mechanics where you can miss and still kill the enemy. Better yet, the weapons that kill when they miss are sometimes better than the ones requiring skill. Play much Destiny? Bought it....couldn't tolerate it...retired it early. "Bring out mass drivers & jump around goddamit" Check RND out here

dzizur Nos Nothi 1	Posted - 2015.11.29 23:14:00 - [171] - Quote Fix inner rings AKA backstabers nightmare In other news - range amps are better on a amarr logi than on every scout except caldari
Liara Kaiba Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2015.11.29 23:16:00 - [172] - Quote I would like to be able to sell that 'Construct' Kaalakiota Forge gun.
Milita Mable CYBER COBRAS ALT 64	Posted - 2015.11.29 23:47:00 - [173] - Quote Increase Range Amp Modules. (They are completely worthless ATM) Decrease domination hacking speed times by 50%.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2015.11.30 00:30:00 - [174] - Quote Rolling those golden tank SKIN's he pseudo promised me sixth months ago out...... not that they are worth much without a Laser Beam weapon but...... Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Corrosive Synergy RUST415 451	Posted - 2015.11.30 00:39:00 - [175] - Quote Milita Mable wrote: Increase Range Amp Modules. (They are completely worthless ATM) Decrease domination hacking speed times by 50%. By 50%? But then a speed hacking min (me) could take an objective in a single second and GTFO before anyone could possibly react. The thought that Dust 514 may one day be the game we dreamed it to be. It fills you with Determination!
Milita Mable CYBER COBRAS ALT 64	Posted - 2015.11.30 01:37:00 - [176] - Quote No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: Milita Mable wrote: Increase Range Amp Modules. (They are completely worthless ATM) Decrease domination hacking speed times by 50%. By 50%? But then a speed hacking min (me) could take an objective in a single second and GTFO before anyone could possibly react. That's the point. Easier flips will make for more exciting matches.
Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 1	Posted - 2015.11.30 01:53:00 - [177] - Quote Milita Mable wrote: No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: Milita Mable wrote: Increase Range Amp Modules. (They are completely worthless ATM) Decrease domination hacking speed times by 50%. By 50%? But then a speed hacking min (me) could take an objective in a single second and GTFO before anyone could possibly react. That's the point. Easier flips will make for more exciting matches. Let's make a stupid game mode even more stupid. I'd sooner have dom removed cos it's always a one sided proto stomp. Wanna play eve?
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Corrosive Synergy RUST415 451	Posted - 2015.11.30 02:14:00 - [178] - Quote Milita Mable wrote: No-one-ganks like-Gaston wrote: Milita Mable wrote: Increase Range Amp Modules. (They are completely worthless ATM) Decrease domination hacking speed times by 50%. By 50%? But then a speed hacking min (me) could take an objective in a single second and GTFO before anyone could possibly react. That's the point. Easier flips will make for more exciting matches. Changing hack time on the objective isn't going to help that, though. The problem isn't objective flipping. If a Scout gets in there to hack the objective, it doesn't mean anything unless they've got a team behind them to back them up, otherwise the enemy team just counter-hacks it or waits for it to flip for free points. The problem lies in maps where it's nearly impossible to infiltrate once the other team has bunker ed down, and there are several like that. If you could spawn on the objective in a Dom match like you can in Skirmish, yeah, I could see hacking the point to harass the enemy team and take out a spawn point being beneficial. But there is literally no point in Dom to hacking the objective unless you've got enough team members down there to fortify yourself after the hack. The thought that Dust 514 may one day be the game we dreamed it to be. It fills you with Determination!
JudgeIsABadPilot Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 106	Posted - 2015.11.30 02:17:00 - [179] - Quote Shut down the servers. I've been boycotting this game for many months. You're all late to the party.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 21	Posted - 2015.11.30 02:18:00 - [180] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: souls' series special's Don't you dare bring Souls into this. Most such special abilities you refer to we're absolute crutches anyway that actually only made it easier for good players take you apart. It got to the point where with 'Dead Angles' alone I was clearing Hosts from their worlds by the dozen. Em shah tey et naGÇÖemsaer ek rahvi, amarr osedah gasi ubday pahk. Ekin tey vahka ijed div ema ziel. Et tey vamatal em.



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