In my opinion, Killzone 3 had the best use of cloaking technology in any shooter. It wasn't so much a cloak, as it was incredibly good camoflage. You were not totally invisible, just very easy to miss by someone quickly looking around. This is what the infantry and ground vehicles could get, even if dropships get actual cloaks. The more quickly the move, the less effective the cloak becomes, and moving at full speed the cloak becomes so distorted that you actually stand out more than you would if you were uncamoflaged.

I think as far as infantry are concerned, I do not think they should be able to turn completely invisible, ever. Like said in an above post, it simply promotes camping and hiding, like a prone mechanic and are quite frankly boring and ruin shooting games. They should not go so far as to be unable to move with the cloak active, perhaps moving crouched makes it a bit less effective but I am of the mind you should always be able to at least see some measure of visual distortion even if the cloak is operating at full effect. I agree there should be a timer, maybe 30-60s with better modules and/or skills to increase that or decrease the visual anomaly slightly when moving.

As far as the force recon dropships go, I would be in favor of a full blown cloak so long as the cloak completely disabled the turrets, had a timer of a minute or two before it ran out, and disabled upon any collision with any surface.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=115498#post115498

Snipers should only have cloaking.

How about this...
The cloak is a cheap module for a dropsuit which replaces shields?

How about this...
The cloak is a cheap module for a dropsuit which replaces shields?

How about this...
The cloak is a cheap module for a dropsuit which replaces shields?

This is basically the same idea porposed by Nos

Sidearms only or no weapons at all would make cloak more a burden than anything.

One thing is balance another is punishment.

I think in order to balance cloaking for any dropsuit, Have it drain shield at a continuous rate, as well as having a cloak activation penalty to shield (take a chunk out) Cause if you have it drain the stamina bar, that wouldn't last very long at all, and would make it pointless if it only lasted a few seconds. Cause really, what can you do if you're only invisible for few seconds and running will cause it to go out faster...

NewOldMan

I feel ignored :(

cloaking isn't just for infiltrating, it could be a defensive tool.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=115498#post115498

As a big fan of the cloaky ships in Eve, I think this game definitely needs them.

I agree with Nova though.

It should not make you completely invisible. As it stands in Eve, anything gets close to you, you decloak...well in DUST, you are always close to something (the ground). .

As most of you may know, CCP appear to have been mulling over how to implement Cloaking into DUST. The technology exists in EVE, and almost any ship can fit the most basic cloaking device, but in the case of non-cloaky ships, you have to sacrifice quite a lot in order to fit it, including time to acquire a target, overall speed, and the inability to warp... However, if you are flying a covert-ops ship, you are able to not only warp while cloaked, but you don't take the hit to targeting speed etc.

So my suggestion?

Make it so only a special type of "covert ops" Dropsuit has a cloaking device, and just build it into the suit---[edit] Disregard the underlined statement---. The problem with this suit would be, even at the prototype level, with all the support skills, you'd still only be able to fit a sidearm-class weapon, and very little tank, but they would have a larger-than-average stamina bar. You'd basically be strictly for running behind enemy lines, and either capturing objectives, or feeding intel on enemy positions.

If they allow any suit to cloak, they better make it so they can't load out with any weapons or something, lol, because if not, prepare for surprise sodomy by swarm launchers, forge guns, etc.

In fact, I would be fine if they didn't even include cloaking all together, with the excuse that it works for ships, but the limited space in drop suits makes it infeasible.

I dont like the idea of cloacked soldiers, it would just benefit cloacky sniper camping.

i think they should make the cloak take up alot of space on ur loadout and take a massive amount on training to get, but make it cause 100% total invisiblity and disable sprint, but make it equipment tht u have to have in hand to use tht way u cant run up and blast someone, u have to actually swap weapons and reveal ur self

Heres my criteria for a well-done cloak:
#1 It hides you
#2 It is an effective tactic with comms
#3 It causes you to make sacrifices
#4 It isn't OP

First off, make the cloak a grenade-slot item, so that users just have to hit L2 to cloak. Sprinting should only be allowed with covops suits using covops cloaks (in DUST, sprinting = warping).
The "active scanner" sounds like a perfect hard counter to cloaks, as it could "spot" the cloaky while the user has the target in range.

there isnt really much reason to snipe right now in the game, ive tried sniping and i kinda like it, but id be more useful runing in with an AR and doin stuff... a cloaky sniper guy would just make snipers more up to par with the other builds

Perhaps make the cloaking device require some sort of capacitor, requiring cap charges to maintain the cloak. The cloak would cycle, much like vehicle shield boosters, so only when selected (the cloak filling an equipment slot allowing for this) with higher end cloaks having an increased cycle time, and perhaps the cloaking skill taking X% off of the fitting requirements per level.

[quote=vladmier gustov]
I do however see some issues with people taking fire, and then suddenly cloaking to avoid dying. I have mixed feelings on this because then everyone will equip a cloaking devices to basically escape from all firefights. This is personally why I think there should a suit specifically designed to lower the high resource costs of a cloaking device, effectively forcing people to use that suit if they want to cloak, much like Covert Ops ships in EVE.

cloak / tank / gank
Pick two

- EW: Eve gets this right by having the strongest EW platforms be non-stealthy (even if they require the same skills )
- Deception: False intel should be a different tactic than suppressing intel
- Interdiction: A fancy word for flanking, but attacking the rear belongs chiefly to the nimble, let scouts be the best at this
- Traps: While watching the victim is sadistically appealing, this more properly belongs to the combat engineer

I believe this necessitates certain design principles in balancing the cloak

• The cloak should last indefinitely on demand
• The cloak should be foolproof at range and reliable at close proximity
• The cloak should require significant fitting resources
• The cloak should reduce mobility but not cripple it
• The cloak should not allow escape from combat

Maybe take a system similar to Crysis, moving will slowly drain it, getting shot deactivates it, shooting overheats it requiring a recharge. Like what was said above I also like the idea of dedicated scouts who can move around and spot enemies for their corpmates. Also, similar to EVE you could decloak and engage but your fitting usually won't have the dps to take out anyone, yet you can still assist.
Another idea could be to have the basic cloaks only work when still, standard only let's you move for a limited time, and prototypes act like cov-ops. I agree with the cool-down but for newer players trying out cloaking, it'd be a major turn-off decloaking and waiting to cool-down every time you look around to check your corners.

As an eve player, I'm familiar with the cloaking. It would also be nearly impossible to balance cloaking for infantry, LAV's, and HAV's (Black Ops HAVs and Force Recon Dropships are on the way. Are you excited?) if they kept true to the style of cloaking eve ships currently have. It would work possibly for the Dropships, but if they even tried to make this happen for anything else, it would leave nothing but a sour taste in the mouths of many.

Infantry cloaking is awesome. I'm not going to lie and say I know everything about the lore behind eve cloaks, but cloaks in eve require a distance from any object because it destablizes the cloak or some such. Hitting the ground and walking/running along uneven terrain seems like it would mess with that. Lore aside, like I said it would be very difficult to balance someone being completely undetectable, even if they could not kill you while in that state.

Camoflage is the best way in my mind to handle 'cloaks' for infantry and ground vehicles. They are still detectable, just very easy to miss. I'm not saying only snipers should be able to cloak, I am merely saying that killzone had one of the most balanced, interesting, and fun implementations of cloaking, and that I would much rather see something like that than people roaming around the map being completely undetectable.

cloaks still need a hard counter and some sort of sensor/scanner should be able to detect cloaks
not a fan of it as it promotes camping on infantry but open to options once it has counters besides just looking for distortions.

There was another thread on this topic a few weeks back which now seems to have moved over here. I'll edit later when I can link the other thread but here was my idea on cloaking.

cloaking on infantry will still be cheap if u put a full cloak
the ripple effect from KZ is a good thing imo, undecided on the timer but personally im not a fan of cheap easy kills that cloak will give.

What exactly is cheap about cloaking? Especially since hard counters are expected to show up in game.

if u dont know whats cheap about full cloaking like u want in a shooter then i cant help u dont feel like typin an essay on it.

Hard counters are nice, will have to see how its done, still havent seen a game do cloaking right or even half decent except for Killzone 2 NOT killzone 3......marksman was terribly unbalanced in kz3 anyone that says kz3 > kz2 obviously didnt play kz2

Blacklight had a nice anti-camp visor implemented. forced ppl to keep on the move and not set up shop and hide.

My thoughts on the subject of cloaking:

1 There need to be multiple kinds of cloak, with similar capabilities and disadvantages to the cloaks and covert ops cloaks in EVE.

2 When moving at half non-sprinting speed the standard cloak should provide almost perfect invisibility, when moving at max non-sprinting speed the cloak should waiver a little, if a person using a standard cloak sprints they should decloak.

3 Covert ops cloaks should allow their users full non-sprint mobility, incurring a visibility penalty similar to the wavering of a standard cloak only when the user begins to sprint.

4 In order to insure that the entire battlefield isn't covered in cloaky soldiers give cloaking/stealth its own ((incredibly expensive) skill tree that includes both a cloaking and covops cloaking skill (unlocked at cloaking 5)

5 Limit the use of standard cloaks to scout suits till cloaking level 3 or 4 at which point allow cloaks to be fit to assault suits don't allow cloaks to be fit to heavies until cloaking level 5.

6 Covops cloaks should be exclusive to scout suits (or covops suits if they get added).

7 Both aimed accuracy and accuracy from the hip should be reduced significantly while cloaked for non scoped weapons since the weapon itself is cloaked and therefore hard to aim (the cross-hairs for hip firing could be removed too).

8 Cloaks should be incompatible with any weapon that produces an AOE (other than grenades).

9 Firing, hacking, direct damage, splash damage, and fall damage should decloak you (slowly since you were improperly decloaked and the system is trying to compensate. The slow decloak also keeps the accuracy penalty of firing when cloaked until you finish decloaking)and put recloaking on a cooldown.

10 Knifing while cloaked instantly decloaks you and gives you a shorter recloak cooldown than the cooldown mentioned in No#10.

11 Add active scanning as a hard counter to cloaking.

12 Because the cloaking systems in a dropsuit would have to be much more compact and therefore probably more simplistic than the cloaks found on ships, cloaking once spotted should not remove you from your enemies minimap.

I guess that what I want is a system that forces anyone who wants to use a cloak in combat to put a lot of time an effort into unlocking it. That being said I want anyone who put the time into unlocking cloaking as a viable part of combat to have fun using the skills they worked for. Also remember that this game will eventually be about interacting with the EVE world which means this game needs EVE balancing (balancing through specialization of skills that take a lot of time to train).

I do not think people truely understand dust 514 is a way different then other games.

IN KZ3 everyone was exactly the same health. Snipers 1 shot kill. Snipers here take 2+ shots depending on targets set up. You did not have 3 separate classes with major differences in HP and Weapon usage.

Of coarse if you start letting Uber tank heavies and Amazing tanked assaults using cloaks your going to have cloaks being OP if they work well. But on scouts who get ripped up in seconds by a heavy or assault trouper 1v1 when they get seen or come face on with them. Currently lag and hit detection allows the dancing fools to avoid that but not forever. If a scout gets the drop on a heavy ya the heavy is screwed can not turn fast enough but even if the scout gets the drop on a assault big chance if the assault is a decent player he probably will turn around and eat the scout for breakfast.

Cloaks have to be a scout only usage.

KZ cloaking system and why it will not work here. Well all cloaks will be used for is camping. If you move with that system you are seen right away and that equals dead. So what is going to happen everyone will find there corner or get dropped off at top of there cliff and cloak snipe only and never be tactically used.

Firing delay like EVE. This is not EVE guys. This is a FPS console game. 10 second fire delay equals dead every time. even a five second means dead.

Dust 514 is all about becoming a tatical warfare game. They want to make there game play diverse. What does that mean is that they do not want just a run and gun game. They want people to set up builds that counter cloaks. They want cloaks to be able to infiltrate and get behind enemy lines cause havic. They want each class being able to compete kill wise. Personally I would not mind heavies bing a little bit tougher on the armor after cloaks put in. Making cloaks a viable counter to a well skilled and outfitted heavy.

I believe Cloaks need to be powerful. But I also think there needs to be very viable counters to them. These counters need to have a range set so they do not decloak someone across the board. But keep you very safe within a certain distance.

People stop trying to think of ways to make the cloak so nerfed it becomes a camper tool only or none existent. Think of ways to make it work well. But also think of viable counters. Not OP like some of you cloak haters out there would like but viable.

I have said what I think cloaks need already so I will not repeat myself there. But I want to see cloaking scouts as a good way for me to get behind enemy lines **** people off make them change there builds to a not so tanky front line camping position holder to defend against cloaks. Then I turn around and nail them with my tanky/ hard hitting assault pushing them back. Or with my High Damage shot gun scout I come running in with afterwords.


Dust is about Tactics and changing up gameplay. One thing I hope they achieve in a balanced and fun matter.

Absolutely disagree. There at least needs to be a light weapon and heavy weapon choice for covert ops.

2 When moving at half non-sprinting speed the standard cloak should provide almost perfect invisibility, when moving at max non-sprinting speed the cloak should waiver a little, if a person using a standard cloak sprints they should decloak.


I'm not as concerned about balance for the lower end cloaks, but do again pointing out movement decloaking promotes camping.

3 Covert ops cloaks should allow their users full non-sprint mobility, incurring a visibility penalty similar to the wavering of a standard cloak only when the user begins to sprint.


I would rather see a flat speed loss than a movement restriction like this.

5 Limit the use of standard cloaks to scout suits till cloaking level 3 or 4 at which point allow cloaks to be fit to assault suits don't allow cloaks to be fit to heavies until cloaking level 5.


No need for hard restrictions, just make the skill a fitting boost so it only becomes practical at these levels.

7 Both aimed accuracy and accuracy from the hip should be reduced significantly while cloaked for non scoped weapons since the weapon itself is cloaked and therefore hard to aim (the cross-hairs for hip firing could be removed too).


Drawing a weapon should break cloak, so this wouldn't be an issue. I think I'd be okay with this. The advantage of cloaking is picking your fights, not getting a sneaky first shot.

8 Cloaks should be incompatible with any weapon that produces an AOE (other than grenades).


Silly restriction. If the weapons are balanced, there is no reason for something so restrictive. I'd be more worried about cloaky REs anyhow.


9 Firing, hacking, direct damage, splash damage, and fall damage should decloak you (slowly since you were improperly decloaked and the system is trying to compensate. The slow decloak also keeps the accuracy penalty of firing when cloaked until you finish decloaking)and put recloaking on a cooldown.


Yes, yes, yes, no, maybe. I agree there should be a recloaking timer, but this whole mechanic of being helpless when forcibly decloaked punishes the disadvantaged again. Decloaking shouldn't give you no chance.

10 Knifing while cloaked instantly decloaks you and gives you a shorter recloak cooldown than the cooldown mentioned in No#10.


Attacking should always decloak you. I'm not sure a knife should be treated in any way differently though.

12 Because the cloaking systems in a dropsuit would have to be much more compact and therefore probably more simplistic than the cloaks found on ships, cloaking once spotted should not remove you from your enemies minimap.


Minimap could save last known position, but following you afterwards is a step too far.

I guess that what I want is a system that forces anyone who wants to use a cloak in combat to put a lot of time an effort into unlocking it. That being said I want anyone who put the time into unlocking cloaking as a viable part of combat to have fun using the skills they worked for. Also remember that this game will eventually be about interacting with the EVE world which means this game needs EVE balancing (balancing through specialization of skills that take a lot of time to train).


I want to see the same balance as EVE. You can create an entire BO corp, but you will be missing the raw battlefield presence of more traditional groups. A side-grade to high damage and high health. Remember there are going to be cloaking dropships and HAVs too, which covert ops should be able to board/unboard while staying cloaked.

Cloaked clone reserve !

just put a capacitor in suits and have it drain capacitor power ..our shields we have now should use the suits cap power to be active, but the default cap recharge rate would recharge faster than the shield uses the power so they would always be on , that way if your greedy using stealth all the time, the capacitor in your suit runs out and you cant stealth and your shields drop ...you could add lots more items you use in your suit that use this capacitor power ..if you get what i mean..just an idea

You can't simply say "my argument is so awesome I don't need to type it" and expect me to take you seriously. If invisible units do less damage, have less health, and are slower than other units, it actually isn't unbalanced to let them have the advantage of when and where to engage. Especially if cloaks can't be used to escape combat, meaning if they commit for "cheap" shots in a stupid situation you would murder them.

like i said ive played too many games with cloak and its easy mode in the hands of someone semi-decent.
Now i got no problem with it BUT it should not be full invisible while moving like u want, simple reason is that makes it way too easy for anyone with half a brain using cloak to wreak havoc and get cheap kills.

KZ ripple effect like nova suggested is 1 good way to balance it on infantry as well as having scanners perhaps something similar to Blacklight's Hyper Reality Visor which provides a quick scan but not something that is always on and cloak then should not run on a timer either it should be on till either deactivated or they choose to engage.

Vehicle wise full invisible yes, i feel the vehicle sound is enough to give away something that big is cloaked in your vicinity, thus will need some deployable active scanners to find.

Along as the cloaking doesn't last too long where the guy can sit there the whole match and camp

I still think that you guys should limit it to scout suits or something like that because right now i think the scout suits are very underpowered and a heavy class with cloaking device would be waayy to cheap. But thats just my opinion.

This is the EVE universe, where cloaking creates a field around you, making you literally invisible to any and all. and if someone or something (bullets, grenades, explosions.. any non-static item) disrupts that field, it nullifies the cloaking.

Gollas, all your suggestions would just cause cloaking to only be used for camping. Quick question - does every major corp use covert ops exclusively? Really... guess cloaking isn't the only option for high level play if it is balanced despite being very powerful. If we copy any game it should be EVE because they get it right.

If it doesn't work while moving, it will be just used to make snipers more annoying. Let there be a hard counter class instead of just gimping them to relative obscurity. If you have to "hold" the cloaking device to keep it up, it would delay the first shot when uncloaking, preventing the "cheap" kills. I believe having hard counter equipment AND making them defeated with mundane paying attention is too much.

i feel like cloaking would be an amazing thing an should be added to drop suits because its a new stealthy way of fighting..

now all drop suits should NOT have cloaking abilitys in my opion heavy drop suits should not be able to cloak

Scout-Assault-Logstic suits should posses cloaking of different levels some can cloak longer then others

there should also be a way to counter act cloaking to prevent people just running around cloaking the entire fight

lol so basically everyone will have to run cloak counters then.
lol how will EMP work on infantry if u dont even know where they are? random emp spam? lol

Ripple effect is still the best way than total invisibility when moving, last thing u want is some suped up melee guy running around fully invisible with a shotgun knifing and one shottin ppl with the only counter being having a whole bunch of ppl running thermal/xray vision crap just to counter a couple ppl.

Total invisibility makes it TOO easy for ppl that cloaked
If u havent played other SHOOTERS with cloak then honestly u dont know what u are talkin about on how it will and can be used and proper counters to it

Said it before and i will say it again DUST =/= EVE what works in EVE wont always work in a FIRST PERSON SHOOTER.

thats y alot of us said to just have it to where u have to uncloak then switch to ur weapon, i.e. a cloaking device that u have to hold to keep it active like in an equipment slot tht way you will want to un cloak away from enemies rather than right up on them

-What causes decloaking
*Shooting your gun
*Interacting(AKA Hacking)
*throwing Grenades
*knifing
-Should take up a midslot
-What happens if shot while cloaked
*You should distort or become partly visible This is not decloaking just makes you easier to track
* if they completely take out your shields then you decloak and have to regen part of the shields and also wait for cloak cool down timer
-Cool down timer for when decloak before you can recloak should be there 15-20 seconds about.

Main thing I want is a covert scout suit, and some spawn beacons - with a little co-ordination, we could actually teach the FPS guys to fear my favorite use of a covert frigate - it's got to be getting close to hot-drop o'clock.........

A lot of replies and good ideas and counter arguments galore, I have not read all the posts in this topic so forgive me if someone mentioned Planetside and how cloaking was done in that game. Basically in Planetside you were totally invisible when standing completely still or moving while crouched, if you were standing up and walking you gave off a slight distortion and it became greater if you ran. You could interact with objects while cloaked, however to attack someone you had to uncloak if I remember correctly, it has been a long time since I played that game. Also there was a hard counter to cloakers it was a visual implant that could be activated at anytime to see cloaked players, so if you suspected a cloaker was nearby you would activate your visual implant. All implants ran off stamina, and if you left the implant on continuously it used up your stamina and would shut off when your stamina ran dry, much like cap use in EvE. So another good idea, the use of implants in Dust, if you put implants in the game that is, have them run off a players stamina when activated, meaning active implants would use stamina and passive implants would not. Stamina could be used like ship cap. Anyways just my .02 cent contribution to the discussion.

-What causes decloaking
*Shooting your gun
*Interacting(AKA Hacking)
*throwing Grenades
*knifing
-Should take up a midslot
-What happens if shot while cloaked
*You should distort or become partly visible This is not decloaking just makes you easier to track
* if they completely take out your shields then you decloak and have to regen part of the shields and also wait for cloak cool down timer
-Cool down timer for when decloak before you can recloak should be there 15-20 seconds about.

wohoo forums ate my post meaning that god awful "saving" does nada, zip, nothing .... \0/

Anyway was typing a long winded post about cloak stats in EVE but I'll be short and say:

sensor calibration delay = turn speed reduction, speed penalty should be kept the same as in EVE (-75%), no interaction with objects for 20s after decloaking.

The uses?

- scouting
- hiding from attackers if you are spotted, and break Line of Sight..
- assembling troops in an area slowly without someone spotting your group
- ambushes

Cloaking needs to have disadvantages.

- must be stationary
- Cannot fire while cloak field is on
- Cooldown until you can turn it on again.
- limited time to stay cloaked

This is very restrictive, but I feel its important... because every single mechanic in cloaking is something that a skilled player will abuse. Godlike players will always find loopholes, but it needs to be something that can benefit the average player, be effective when used tactically with a team, and that players who get rediculous learning to use it perfectly, will have advantage over those, without it being a "useful in every situation" type of equipment

(Sensor Jammer/ Motion detector in MAG for instance)

Yeah those are good ideas, except the disadvantage of having to be stationary. I think it would be ok if you could run(without sprinting) while cloaked. The higher level cloaking device, the more you will be hidden.

I believe this necessitates certain design principles in balancing the cloak

• The cloak should last indefinitely on demand

edit.. while im at it why not a skill that decreases the range in wich u can be scaned

Like drop suit command?

Thats already in there.

i did not know it did that, does it say that anywhere?

Read the skill description.

Cloak should not work when standing still, but should require constant movement for effectiveness. The faster you're moving, the more invisible you are, and the slower you're moving, the more visible you become; this is to prevent abuse by campers.
Cloak should have a time limit of like 10 seconds, and have a cooldown of 20 seconds.
Cloak should disable after the user get a kill. Cloak should not be for getting lots of kills while undetected, but should be for sneaking past the combat.
Cloak module should be easily fitted in a logistics dropsuit with a drop uplink; sneaking past enemies to plant a spawn points would be one of the most practical applications for a cloaking module in a team-based game.

i think the cloaking should b strictly on dropships or at at extreme cost to the dropsuit or just not at all. there r enough ppl sitting on rooftops raining missiles from dropships

I mean CCP is 3/4 of the way there in terms of warefare, they have space, aerial, and ground....why not water an underwater?

What needs solidified is narrowly defining what role cloaking has on the battlefield.
- Ambush: those with stealth should be the masters of employing ambush strategies
- Infiltration: sneaking through the lines undetected is a hallmark of good stealth
- Recon: the best eyes are the ones the enemy doesn't know are watching

For comparison, here are some roles sometimes assigned to stealth units that I believe should belong to a different support tree
- EW: Eve gets this right by having the strongest EW platforms be non-stealthy (even if they require the same skills )
- Deception: False intel should be a different tactic than suppressing intel
- Interdiction: A fancy word for flanking, but attacking the rear belongs chiefly to the nimble, let scouts be the best at this
- Traps: While watching the victim is sadistically appealing, this more properly belongs to the combat engineer

I believe this necessitates certain design principles in balancing the cloak

• The cloak should last indefinitely on demand
• The cloak should be foolproof at range and reliable at close proximity
• The cloak should require significant fitting resources
• The cloak should reduce mobility but not cripple it
• The cloak should not allow escape from combat

I have a feeling that cloaks will be celebrated (if implemented) simply because it will allow people to escape being redlined so easily.

If it can indeed be put on anything, a Logi suit carrying nothing but Droplinks and a cloak would be bliss.

As most of you may know, CCP appear to have been mulling over how to implement Cloaking into DUST. The technology exists in EVE, and almost any ship can fit the most basic cloaking device, but in the case of non-cloaky ships, you have to sacrifice quite a lot in order to fit it, including time to acquire a target, overall speed, and the inability to warp... However, if you are flying a covert-ops ship, you are able to not only warp while cloaked, but you don't take the hit to targeting speed etc.

So my suggestion?

Make it so only a special type of "covert ops" Dropsuit has a cloaking device, and just build it into the suit---[edit] Disregard the underlined statement---. The problem with this suit would be, even at the prototype level, with all the support skills, you'd still only be able to fit a sidearm-class weapon, and very little tank, but they would have a larger-than-average stamina bar. You'd basically be strictly for running behind enemy lines, and either capturing objectives, or feeding intel on enemy positions.

If they allow any suit to cloak, they better make it so they can't load out with any weapons or something, lol, because if not, prepare for surprise sodomy by swarm launchers, forge guns, etc.

In fact, I would be fine if they didn't even include cloaking all together, with the excuse that it works for ships, but the limited space in drop suits makes it infeasible.

I don't understand why people favor a cloak that only works while standing still. This will lead to overpowered campers and snipers. It would be much more useful the other way around: it should ONLY WORK WHILE MOVING, and you should become more visible when you slow down, and get fully visible when you stop moving.
Why? Because someone sneaking past enemies and getting to objectives and setting down drop uplinks is FAR more useful than an invisible camper or a sniper.
To balance it, you should not be able to hold a gun while cloaked, and any melee should disable the cloaking until a cooldown time has passed.

Invisible snipers and campers is NOT the way to go.

Just a quick thought but what if using a cloak dropped your shield to 0 and had a steady stamina drain to limit cloaked time? Once the cloak is dropped your shields begin to regenerate. Any actions would cause the cloak to drop like firing a weapon for example. Any direct or splash damage would also cause the shield to drop. This would cause any cloaked player to think twice before trying to sneak up and attack because once you fire that first shot you're position is known and you're not very well protected.

i'd like to see scouts and logistics able to use cloak myself. atm scouts don't seem to have to much going for them ( i mean we all hate bunny hopping, but is that really something to build a suit around?) and logis are the one thing you'd wanna hide, right? cloaking isn't just for infiltrating, it could be a defensive tool.

but i do see an issue with how to balance it... i almost feel like... if you made the cloak a "weapon" that took up a light weapon slot, that might do it?

a cloaked logi would be weaponless. a cloaked scout, assault, or heavy would be restricted to sidearm only.

you could even make it so that the cloak only functions while the weapon is drawn to mitigate combat abuse, OR make it so it only functions while the trigger is being held, using up "ammo" in the form of a charge. a larger suit would need more effort on the part of the module to stay cloaked, so a heavy might get a few seconds out of what could keep a scout cloaked for much longer.


you definitely do need some way to BALANCE it amongst the different suits, but i dunno if you need to completely restrict it to one suit type.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=115498#post115498

Cloaks take up a high power slot (a weapon slot) in EVE. I like my cloak on EVE but I only use it when exploring so I don't get blown up as fast.

anybody can use a sniper rifle

I'm sure this has already been suggested, but why not just make it active camo + "Ghost Pro"? In a nutshell, you would just make the character physically hard to see and eliminate his electronic signature. If you wanted to nerf the dropsuit further, you could restrict usage of electronic devices such as shields and armor repairers that would make a detectable electronic signature.

So in a cloaky suit, you would be harder to find, but you would have no ability to regenerate the few hitpoints you have. Effective for sneaking around, but you sure as hell wouldn't want to stand toe to toe against anyone.

Just make it so the red dot on the map and on screen from distance goes away.... Like the sensor jammer in MAG.

Easy peazy.

Not sure how cloaking will work for this game but I think I've seen enough battles with it on Crysis 2. xD