if u dont know whats cheap about full cloaking like u want in a shooter then i cant help u dont feel like typin an essay on it.

Hard counters are nice, will have to see how its done, still havent seen a game do cloaking right or even half decent except for Killzone 2 NOT killzone 3......marksman was terribly unbalanced in kz3 anyone that says kz3 > kz2 obviously didnt play kz2

Blacklight had a nice anti-camp visor implemented. forced ppl to keep on the move and not set up shop and hide.

My thoughts on the subject of cloaking:

1 There need to be multiple kinds of cloak, with similar capabilities and disadvantages to the cloaks and covert ops cloaks in EVE.

2 When moving at half non-sprinting speed the standard cloak should provide almost perfect invisibility, when moving at max non-sprinting speed the cloak should waiver a little, if a person using a standard cloak sprints they should decloak.

3 Covert ops cloaks should allow their users full non-sprint mobility, incurring a visibility penalty similar to the wavering of a standard cloak only when the user begins to sprint.

4 In order to insure that the entire battlefield isn't covered in cloaky soldiers give cloaking/stealth its own ((incredibly expensive) skill tree that includes both a cloaking and covops cloaking skill (unlocked at cloaking 5)

5 Limit the use of standard cloaks to scout suits till cloaking level 3 or 4 at which point allow cloaks to be fit to assault suits don't allow cloaks to be fit to heavies until cloaking level 5.

6 Covops cloaks should be exclusive to scout suits (or covops suits if they get added).

7 Both aimed accuracy and accuracy from the hip should be reduced significantly while cloaked for non scoped weapons since the weapon itself is cloaked and therefore hard to aim (the cross-hairs for hip firing could be removed too).

8 Cloaks should be incompatible with any weapon that produces an AOE (other than grenades).

9 Firing, hacking, direct damage, splash damage, and fall damage should decloak you (slowly since you were improperly decloaked and the system is trying to compensate. The slow decloak also keeps the accuracy penalty of firing when cloaked until you finish decloaking)and put recloaking on a cooldown.

10 Knifing while cloaked instantly decloaks you and gives you a shorter recloak cooldown than the cooldown mentioned in No#10.

11 Add active scanning as a hard counter to cloaking.

12 Because the cloaking systems in a dropsuit would have to be much more compact and therefore probably more simplistic than the cloaks found on ships, cloaking once spotted should not remove you from your enemies minimap.

I guess that what I want is a system that forces anyone who wants to use a cloak in combat to put a lot of time an effort into unlocking it. That being said I want anyone who put the time into unlocking cloaking as a viable part of combat to have fun using the skills they worked for. Also remember that this game will eventually be about interacting with the EVE world which means this game needs EVE balancing (balancing through specialization of skills that take a lot of time to train).

I do not think people truely understand dust 514 is a way different then other games.

IN KZ3 everyone was exactly the same health. Snipers 1 shot kill. Snipers here take 2+ shots depending on targets set up. You did not have 3 separate classes with major differences in HP and Weapon usage.

Of coarse if you start letting Uber tank heavies and Amazing tanked assaults using cloaks your going to have cloaks being OP if they work well. But on scouts who get ripped up in seconds by a heavy or assault trouper 1v1 when they get seen or come face on with them. Currently lag and hit detection allows the dancing fools to avoid that but not forever. If a scout gets the drop on a heavy ya the heavy is screwed can not turn fast enough but even if the scout gets the drop on a assault big chance if the assault is a decent player he probably will turn around and eat the scout for breakfast.

Cloaks have to be a scout only usage.

KZ cloaking system and why it will not work here. Well all cloaks will be used for is camping. If you move with that system you are seen right away and that equals dead. So what is going to happen everyone will find there corner or get dropped off at top of there cliff and cloak snipe only and never be tactically used.

Firing delay like EVE. This is not EVE guys. This is a FPS console game. 10 second fire delay equals dead every time. even a five second means dead.

Dust 514 is all about becoming a tatical warfare game. They want to make there game play diverse. What does that mean is that they do not want just a run and gun game. They want people to set up builds that counter cloaks. They want cloaks to be able to infiltrate and get behind enemy lines cause havic. They want each class being able to compete kill wise. Personally I would not mind heavies bing a little bit tougher on the armor after cloaks put in. Making cloaks a viable counter to a well skilled and outfitted heavy.

I believe Cloaks need to be powerful. But I also think there needs to be very viable counters to them. These counters need to have a range set so they do not decloak someone across the board. But keep you very safe within a certain distance.

People stop trying to think of ways to make the cloak so nerfed it becomes a camper tool only or none existent. Think of ways to make it work well. But also think of viable counters. Not OP like some of you cloak haters out there would like but viable.

I have said what I think cloaks need already so I will not repeat myself there. But I want to see cloaking scouts as a good way for me to get behind enemy lines **** people off make them change there builds to a not so tanky front line camping position holder to defend against cloaks. Then I turn around and nail them with my tanky/ hard hitting assault pushing them back. Or with my High Damage shot gun scout I come running in with afterwords.


Dust is about Tactics and changing up gameplay. One thing I hope they achieve in a balanced and fun matter.

Absolutely disagree. There at least needs to be a light weapon and heavy weapon choice for covert ops.

2 When moving at half non-sprinting speed the standard cloak should provide almost perfect invisibility, when moving at max non-sprinting speed the cloak should waiver a little, if a person using a standard cloak sprints they should decloak.


I'm not as concerned about balance for the lower end cloaks, but do again pointing out movement decloaking promotes camping.

3 Covert ops cloaks should allow their users full non-sprint mobility, incurring a visibility penalty similar to the wavering of a standard cloak only when the user begins to sprint.


I would rather see a flat speed loss than a movement restriction like this.

5 Limit the use of standard cloaks to scout suits till cloaking level 3 or 4 at which point allow cloaks to be fit to assault suits don't allow cloaks to be fit to heavies until cloaking level 5.


No need for hard restrictions, just make the skill a fitting boost so it only becomes practical at these levels.

7 Both aimed accuracy and accuracy from the hip should be reduced significantly while cloaked for non scoped weapons since the weapon itself is cloaked and therefore hard to aim (the cross-hairs for hip firing could be removed too).


Drawing a weapon should break cloak, so this wouldn't be an issue. I think I'd be okay with this. The advantage of cloaking is picking your fights, not getting a sneaky first shot.

8 Cloaks should be incompatible with any weapon that produces an AOE (other than grenades).


Silly restriction. If the weapons are balanced, there is no reason for something so restrictive. I'd be more worried about cloaky REs anyhow.


9 Firing, hacking, direct damage, splash damage, and fall damage should decloak you (slowly since you were improperly decloaked and the system is trying to compensate. The slow decloak also keeps the accuracy penalty of firing when cloaked until you finish decloaking)and put recloaking on a cooldown.


Yes, yes, yes, no, maybe. I agree there should be a recloaking timer, but this whole mechanic of being helpless when forcibly decloaked punishes the disadvantaged again. Decloaking shouldn't give you no chance.

10 Knifing while cloaked instantly decloaks you and gives you a shorter recloak cooldown than the cooldown mentioned in No#10.


Attacking should always decloak you. I'm not sure a knife should be treated in any way differently though.

12 Because the cloaking systems in a dropsuit would have to be much more compact and therefore probably more simplistic than the cloaks found on ships, cloaking once spotted should not remove you from your enemies minimap.


Minimap could save last known position, but following you afterwards is a step too far.

I guess that what I want is a system that forces anyone who wants to use a cloak in combat to put a lot of time an effort into unlocking it. That being said I want anyone who put the time into unlocking cloaking as a viable part of combat to have fun using the skills they worked for. Also remember that this game will eventually be about interacting with the EVE world which means this game needs EVE balancing (balancing through specialization of skills that take a lot of time to train).


I want to see the same balance as EVE. You can create an entire BO corp, but you will be missing the raw battlefield presence of more traditional groups. A side-grade to high damage and high health. Remember there are going to be cloaking dropships and HAVs too, which covert ops should be able to board/unboard while staying cloaked.

Cloaked clone reserve !

just put a capacitor in suits and have it drain capacitor power ..our shields we have now should use the suits cap power to be active, but the default cap recharge rate would recharge faster than the shield uses the power so they would always be on , that way if your greedy using stealth all the time, the capacitor in your suit runs out and you cant stealth and your shields drop ...you could add lots more items you use in your suit that use this capacitor power ..if you get what i mean..just an idea

You can't simply say "my argument is so awesome I don't need to type it" and expect me to take you seriously. If invisible units do less damage, have less health, and are slower than other units, it actually isn't unbalanced to let them have the advantage of when and where to engage. Especially if cloaks can't be used to escape combat, meaning if they commit for "cheap" shots in a stupid situation you would murder them.

like i said ive played too many games with cloak and its easy mode in the hands of someone semi-decent.
Now i got no problem with it BUT it should not be full invisible while moving like u want, simple reason is that makes it way too easy for anyone with half a brain using cloak to wreak havoc and get cheap kills.

KZ ripple effect like nova suggested is 1 good way to balance it on infantry as well as having scanners perhaps something similar to Blacklight's Hyper Reality Visor which provides a quick scan but not something that is always on and cloak then should not run on a timer either it should be on till either deactivated or they choose to engage.

Vehicle wise full invisible yes, i feel the vehicle sound is enough to give away something that big is cloaked in your vicinity, thus will need some deployable active scanners to find.

Along as the cloaking doesn't last too long where the guy can sit there the whole match and camp

I still think that you guys should limit it to scout suits or something like that because right now i think the scout suits are very underpowered and a heavy class with cloaking device would be waayy to cheap. But thats just my opinion.

This is the EVE universe, where cloaking creates a field around you, making you literally invisible to any and all. and if someone or something (bullets, grenades, explosions.. any non-static item) disrupts that field, it nullifies the cloaking.

Gollas, all your suggestions would just cause cloaking to only be used for camping. Quick question - does every major corp use covert ops exclusively? Really... guess cloaking isn't the only option for high level play if it is balanced despite being very powerful. If we copy any game it should be EVE because they get it right.

If it doesn't work while moving, it will be just used to make snipers more annoying. Let there be a hard counter class instead of just gimping them to relative obscurity. If you have to "hold" the cloaking device to keep it up, it would delay the first shot when uncloaking, preventing the "cheap" kills. I believe having hard counter equipment AND making them defeated with mundane paying attention is too much.