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Sequal's Back
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.08.05 06:35:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Vell0cet, I could talk to CSM X folks on Skype near instantly if we really had a reason to.
While, from a design standpoint, it'd be easy to implement with Fozzie Sov (one of the reasons I am okay with them doing that with sov), the reality is: Absolutely nobody at EVE dev is going to be willing to do it. Developing almost anything that interacts with EVE (or Tranquility in general, such as chat channels, corp features, API, etc.) heavily requires the EVE team to do it.
Then why is DUST still on Tranquility?? I don't see a single advantagr to this. It should have its own server dedicated to it. Since no interactions with EVE players are planned and will ever be, and that beeing on the same server slow things down for Dust there is no point of keeping Tranquility.
WON'T YOU PLEASE TAKE ME HOME !
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Soraya Xel
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.08.05 06:53:00 -
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Basically, what it comes down to, is CSMs and EVE devs mostly care about EVE players, much like CPMs and DUST devs mostly care about DUST players. The sweet spot of mutual interest will happen someday but that day isn't today. Talk to regular EVE players, that's going to get you much further than trying to convince CSM to take our wishes over those of their own community.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.08.05 09:53:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Since I am here,
Gunjack is pretty awesome in the GearVR, i didn't expect it to be so great to be honest, but there is something mesmerizingly fun there. It cannot be judged from a 2D trailer, that much is sure.
CCP has had to look hard and deep at how they do things given what has happened. Projects are treated as separate business cases where each lead makes the strongest case possible. Budgets are granted on a case by case basis and certainly do not come out of other project budgets.
Gunjack does not detract in any way from DUST 514. As a matter of fact, it makes the CCP Shanghai studio much stronger and capable, showing what can be done with the right vision, the right methods, a great tool in UE4 and a small team.
CCP needs to diversify, yet smartly, and Gunjack is one of the ways to do that while keeping EVE Online as the ultimate sci-fi mmo experience.
I dislike being "that guy" but have you seen the possibilities that Star Citizen might well offer sci-fi fans? Granted its very early days and we could easily be a year or two off but .... CCP has a unique set of games and a unique universe.
I understand that diversifying and making small mobile games and stuff might help but please dont forget about the loyal customers that still believe in the original vision for a sci-fi FPS sandbox with meaningful ties to EVE. I only warn because I see actual competition in this area, something that has not really existed in the same way before.
Time is ticking. What does CCP have up there sleeve?
"Madness how we turned our common-ground into a battle-ground.." - Essa
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Starlight Burner
Vader's-Fist
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Posted - 2015.08.05 13:12:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Basically, what it comes down to, is CSMs and EVE devs mostly care about EVE players, much like CPMs and DUST devs mostly care about DUST players. The sweet spot of mutual interest will happen someday but that day isn't today. Talk to regular EVE players, that's going to get you much further than trying to convince CSM to take our wishes over those of their own community.
Shame, well CCP has 9 months to put something together; because my patience for a great Space Sci-fi game is running out. Last bet is on SC since DUST isn't getting more involvement with EVE.
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Thank you for DUST
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.08.05 15:18:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Basically, what it comes down to, is CSMs and EVE devs mostly care about EVE players, much like CPMs and DUST devs mostly care about DUST players. The sweet spot of mutual interest will happen someday but that day isn't today. Talk to regular EVE players, that's going to get you much further than trying to convince CSM to take our wishes over those of their own community.
See, this is a much better response than simply 'they don't care'
Really hope you don't work PR irl.
'As salty as salt can get.' how I describe the dust player base.
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.08.05 15:28:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Basically, what it comes down to, is CSMs and EVE devs mostly care about EVE players, much like CPMs and DUST devs mostly care about DUST players. The sweet spot of mutual interest will happen someday but that day isn't today. Talk to regular EVE players, that's going to get you much further than trying to convince CSM to take our wishes over those of their own community.
For those of you who are interested you can meet a lot of Eve players outside of the game through tweetfleet.slack.com. They even have a Dust 514 section to hash out ideas about Dust 514 over there but you can absolutely chat up the Eve players in your spare time. Lot of CCP Devs use Slack as well and while I don't recommend messaging them directly and pestering them you can, and probably should, try to hit them up with your questions related to what they do as a developer when they're in the public channels. Some members of the CSM are also in there and from the talks I've had, they do support Dust 514 but in the limited capacity that they are allowed since they can't push for features in a game that "isn't in their jurisdiction", if that makes any sense.
Aeon Amadi for CPM 2
Design A SKIN 2
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Soraya Xel
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.08.05 15:35:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:See, this is a much better response than simply 'they don't care'
Really hope you don't work PR irl.
I spent threr pages trying to explain things to Vell0cet. Inevitably, continually daft comments are going to get a daft answer.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Starlight Burner
Vader's-Fist
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Posted - 2015.08.05 15:37:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Basically, what it comes down to, is CSMs and EVE devs mostly care about EVE players, much like CPMs and DUST devs mostly care about DUST players. The sweet spot of mutual interest will happen someday but that day isn't today. Talk to regular EVE players, that's going to get you much further than trying to convince CSM to take our wishes over those of their own community. For those of you who are interested you can meet a lot of Eve players outside of the game through tweetfleet.slack.com.
Do not understand how to join the website without creating a team. Elaborate on how to sign up please.
CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation
Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today!
Thank you for DUST
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Soraya Xel
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.08.05 16:05:00 -
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Slack isn't really designed for public chatrooms. And I'm still not sure which hipsters were responsible for creating a Slack for EVE people. Just go on Skype, you get the same crud without the awful.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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byte modal
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Posted - 2015.08.05 16:13:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Basically, what it comes down to, is CSMs and EVE devs mostly care about EVE players, much like CPMs and DUST devs mostly care about DUST players. The sweet spot of mutual interest will happen someday but that day isn't today. Talk to regular EVE players, that's going to get you much further than trying to convince CSM to take our wishes over those of their own community. See, this is a much better response than simply 'they don't care' Really hope you don't work PR irl.
Context clues FTW? Soraya had already given a logical argument to that point in an earlier reply---not to mention the pages of information already posted. Try debating someone for 3 days for what should already be understood based on forum info and drawn conclusions from what already exists, histories, etc.; all the while your opponent insists on arguing with the fingers-in-the-ears technique with kung-fu prowess. Soraya has far more patience than I have. More than most on these boards deserve, TBO. Ironic, IMHO, that most of what's said is to help parse the vagueness that can be (usually is) CCP, all to help give insight to those unable or unwilling (or just flat out lazy, looking for something to moan over) to read between the lines themselves, and it's all taken as hostile. I swear, I've never seen such entitlement as I have the last 6 months or so here in the DUST GD. Well, except perhaps the Rogue forums over at WoW, years ago.
To the quoted, most of this is not directed towards you. I just got caught up in the moment. Your quote was just a trigger ;)
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.08.05 16:27:00 -
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Starlight Burner wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Basically, what it comes down to, is CSMs and EVE devs mostly care about EVE players, much like CPMs and DUST devs mostly care about DUST players. The sweet spot of mutual interest will happen someday but that day isn't today. Talk to regular EVE players, that's going to get you much further than trying to convince CSM to take our wishes over those of their own community. Shame, well CCP has 9 months to put something together; because my patience for a great Space Sci-fi game is running out. Last bet is on SC since DUST isn't getting more involvement with EVE.
Dat FPS mod though.
SC is only going to be for a certain crowd though, given the high required specs for your PC, and the over the top realism. FPS with only 1 life? Yes ******* please.
I am a beautiful space manatee, flying through the sky with the greatest of ease
Swarms everywhere.
So-bittervet
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Vell0cet
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.08.05 16:53:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:See, this is a much better response than simply 'they don't care'
Really hope you don't work PR irl. I spent threr pages trying to explain things to Vell0cet. Inevitably, continually daft comments are going to get a daft answer.
I was being rational and objective, you were the one being "daft" with ad hominems like calling me juvenile and dismissing things outright instead of discussing the merits of the argument. I'll take the high road, thank you.
My point stands, I think DUST has proven its worth. It has overcome a ton of obstacles and is better than it's ever been. A year ago I could see why CCP wanted to hold back on integrating the games, It was unclear if it would still exist in a few months. I really don't know what else CCP Rattati could have done to improve things given the resources he had available. In my opinion, it's time to start the process of integrating the games again. It will take a long time (years) and should proceed slowly, so the process should start sooner than later. The obvious place to start is having an ongoing dialogue between the CPM and the CSM, brainstorming ideas for integration targeting the "lowest-hanging fruit" that has the smallest risk and least amount of dev resources to pull off that both player bases would be happy with. As I've stated before, Small tweaks to FW could create some significant improvements for both EVE and DUST and seems like a reasonable place to start a conversation.
Best PvE idea ever!
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.08.05 17:50:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:See, this is a much better response than simply 'they don't care'
Really hope you don't work PR irl. I spent threr pages trying to explain things to Vell0cet. Inevitably, continually daft comments are going to get a daft answer. I was being rational and objective, you were the one being "daft" with ad hominems like calling me juvenile and dismissing things outright instead of discussing the merits of the argument. I'll take the high road, thank you. My point stands, I think DUST has proven its worth. It has overcome a ton of obstacles and is better than it's ever been. A year ago I could see why CCP wanted to hold back on integrating the games, It was unclear if it would still exist in a few months. I really don't know what else CCP Rattati could have done to improve things given the resources he had available. In my opinion, it's time to start the process of integrating the games again. It will take a long time (years) and should proceed slowly, so the process should start sooner than later. The obvious place to start is having an ongoing dialogue between the CPM and the CSM, brainstorming ideas for integration targeting the "lowest-hanging fruit" that has the smallest risk and least amount of dev resources to pull off that both player bases would be happy with. As I've stated before, Small tweaks to FW could create some significant improvements for both EVE and DUST and seems like a reasonable place to start a conversation.
I personally think trying to link the games now would just be a waste of resources.
The only way a meaningful link is going to happen is if this game gets a serious upgrade, aka Legion. They need all new code that they've built with staff that isn't all fired, so they can actually go back in and easily fix things and upgrade things, unlike now.
Make DUST 514-2, then work on a link.
I am a beautiful space manatee, flying through the sky with the greatest of ease
Swarms everywhere.
So-bittervet
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Soraya Xel
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.08.05 17:53:00 -
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Vell0cet, you literally have not registered anything I've said to you.
But that's okay, I've accepted that somehow Cross can say all the same things I do and he gets lathered in praise for it. I'm just going to be bitter about it forever. Cross, you, me, CCP Atlanta. I want a rematch.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Vell0cet
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.08.05 18:25:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Vell0cet, you literally have not registered anything I've said to you.
But that's okay, I've accepted that somehow Cross can say all the same things I do and he gets lathered in praise for it. I'm just going to be bitter about it forever. Cross, you, me, CCP Atlanta. I want a rematch.
I have been listening to your arguments.
You don't think DUST is worth CCP investing heavily in, I disagree and think there is a strong business case for doing so--and by "DUST" I mean the IP not limited to just the current game.
You think investing in Gunjack was a smart use of the R&D budget, I disagree. The Samsung Gear-VR is an inferior technology to alternative VR solutions. The game itself seems overly simplistic and not something that many people are willing to spend much money on. The novelty may be fun for 10-20 minutes but there isn't much there to compel people to keep playing beyond that. There are better ways to capitalize on the the New Eden IP in the mobile space than a VR Galaga clone. I even provided an example of Fallout Shelter.
You don't think the EVE Devs care about integration. I agree they probably don't, but I think it's in their long-term best interest to reconsider, because there is serious competition on the horizon that will have an FPS integrated into their spaceship sim. IMO Star Citizen is an existential threat to CCP. It should be taken seriously.
It's not that I'm not "registering" what you're saying, it's that I'm disagreeing with your points.
Best PvE idea ever!
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Vell0cet
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3
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Posted - 2015.08.05 18:36:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I personally think trying to link the games now would just be a waste of resources.
The only way a meaningful link is going to happen is if this game gets a serious upgrade, aka Legion. They need all new code that they've built with staff that isn't all fired, so they can actually go back in and easily fix things and upgrade things, unlike now.
Make DUST 514-2, then work on a link.
I think they can do both. I agree that DUST 514-2 should absolutely be the main priority, but there are probably things they could do that wouldn't require a ton of effort and would improve the experience of both games. Bringing the communities together via better communication between CPM and CSM, running events that reward EVE players for orbitaling Mercs, tweaking EVE bonuses for owning planets to make them worth the hassle would all be fairly reasonable.
Best PvE idea ever!
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Leither Yiltron
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Posted - 2015.08.05 19:01:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Basically, what it comes down to, is CSMs and EVE devs mostly care about EVE players, much like CPMs and DUST devs mostly care about DUST players. The sweet spot of mutual interest will happen someday but that day isn't today. Talk to regular EVE players, that's going to get you much further than trying to convince CSM to take our wishes over those of their own community. Shame, well CCP has 9 months to put something together; because my patience for a great Space Sci-fi game is running out. Last bet is on SC since DUST isn't getting more involvement with EVE. Dat FPS mod though. SC is only going to be for a certain crowd though, given the high required specs for your PC, and the over the top realism. FPS with only 1 life? Yes ******* please.
SC's FPS mod got delayed indefinitely. As a Dust player, I can only imagine why.
Have a pony
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.08.05 19:08:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Basically, what it comes down to, is CSMs and EVE devs mostly care about EVE players, much like CPMs and DUST devs mostly care about DUST players. The sweet spot of mutual interest will happen someday but that day isn't today. Talk to regular EVE players, that's going to get you much further than trying to convince CSM to take our wishes over those of their own community. Shame, well CCP has 9 months to put something together; because my patience for a great Space Sci-fi game is running out. Last bet is on SC since DUST isn't getting more involvement with EVE. Dat FPS mod though. SC is only going to be for a certain crowd though, given the high required specs for your PC, and the over the top realism. FPS with only 1 life? Yes ******* please. SC's FPS mod got delayed indefinitely. As a Dust player, I can only imagine why.
Odd, considering the constant HUGE updates that RCI puts out on the FPS mod....
But hey, as a fellow DUST player, I understand the need to hoard and wear tinfoil. No judgement.
I am a beautiful space manatee, flying through the sky with the greatest of ease
Swarms everywhere.
So-bittervet
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.08.05 19:16:00 -
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Starlight Burner wrote:
Do not understand how to join the website without creating a team. Elaborate on how to sign up please.
I honestly don't remember, it's been so long. I usually just type in 'tweetfleet' in the team domain and just log in.
Come to find out that you have to be invited by one of the moderators but you can do so through here if you have an Eve Account: https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/tweetfleet-slack-invites/
I'll talk to them about adding support for Dust 514 accounts, perhaps.
Soraya Xel wrote:Slack isn't really designed for public chatrooms. And I'm still not sure which hipsters were responsible for creating a Slack for EVE people. Just go on Skype, you get the same crud without the awful.
So you're going to attack the people that made the Tweetfleet Slack despite it having have 3,000+ users because you don't like it? That's like next level stupidity lol. And no, Skype is not nearly the same being as Slack is primarily browser based where everyone is allocated to a single team directory whereas Skype you have to know every person's username to get them in the same channel.
Further more, you have access to the CSM and Eve Online developers across multiple specified channels including #ArmchairDevelopers, #Lore, #Creatives, etc. Slack is fundamentally better for more widespread community communication whereas Skype is more for focused, specialized, and largely segregated think-tanks.
They are not nearly the same.
Aeon Amadi for CPM 2
Design A SKIN 2
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VAHZZ
Vader's-Fist
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Posted - 2015.08.05 19:25:00 -
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WHY ARE YOU ALL SO CALM ABOUT THIS RAT WEDDING!?!! DESPITE A REAL WEDDING NOT HAVING RELEVANCE TOWARDS WHAT HAPPENED!!
WE ARE GETTING WEDDING'D AGAIN DAMMIT!!
Damn caps lock...oh well, too lazy to type that out again.
Director of Vader's Fist
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Leither Yiltron
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Posted - 2015.08.05 19:25:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Basically, what it comes down to, is CSMs and EVE devs mostly care about EVE players, much like CPMs and DUST devs mostly care about DUST players. The sweet spot of mutual interest will happen someday but that day isn't today. Talk to regular EVE players, that's going to get you much further than trying to convince CSM to take our wishes over those of their own community. Shame, well CCP has 9 months to put something together; because my patience for a great Space Sci-fi game is running out. Last bet is on SC since DUST isn't getting more involvement with EVE. Dat FPS mod though. SC is only going to be for a certain crowd though, given the high required specs for your PC, and the over the top realism. FPS with only 1 life? Yes ******* please. SC's FPS mod got delayed indefinitely. As a Dust player, I can only imagine why. Odd, considering the constant HUGE updates that RCI puts out on the FPS mod.... But hey, as a fellow DUST player, I understand the need to hoard and wear tinfoil. No judgement.
You mean like this one? https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14803-Letter-From-The-Chairman
Have a pony
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.08.05 19:32:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Vell0cet, you literally have not registered anything I've said to you.
But that's okay, I've accepted that somehow Cross can say all the same things I do and he gets lathered in praise for it. I'm just going to be bitter about it forever. Cross, you, me, CCP Atlanta. I want a rematch. I have been listening to your arguments. You don't think DUST is worth CCP investing heavily in, I disagree and think there is a strong business case for doing so--and by "DUST" I mean the IP not limited to just the current game.
While I may be wrong, I'm pretty damn sure Soraya said that this is the opinion of EVE devs, not his.
EVE devs aren't interested in investing in DUST, Soraya isn't the one telling them "no".
AND THEN STEVE BUSCEMI SHOWS UP ON A FLYING PIG FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.08.05 19:33:00 -
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You do realize that nowhere in there does it say it's being delayed "indefinitely" right?
Also, updates like this, and this and this
All of which are more recent than your link
I am a beautiful space manatee, flying through the sky with the greatest of ease
Swarms everywhere.
So-bittervet
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Soraya Xel
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.08.05 19:34:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:
I have been listening to your arguments.
You don't think DUST is worth CCP investing heavily in
False. Proving my point. You have not read a thing I've said.
CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
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Leither Yiltron
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Posted - 2015.08.05 19:35:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:You do realize that nowhere in there does it say it's being delayed "indefinitely" right? Also, updates like this, and this and thisAll of which are more recent than your link
You've got me, I don't keep up with bad games on PC.
Have a pony
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.08.05 19:37:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:You do realize that nowhere in there does it say it's being delayed "indefinitely" right? Also, updates like this, and this and thisAll of which are more recent than your link You've got me, I don't keep up with bad games on PC.
Lmfao you just made my day :D
You adorable little tin-foil burrito you.
I am a beautiful space manatee, flying through the sky with the greatest of ease
Swarms everywhere.
So-bittervet
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Vell0cet
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
3
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Posted - 2015.08.05 19:41:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Vell0cet wrote:
I have been listening to your arguments.
You don't think DUST is worth CCP investing heavily in
False. Proving my point. You have not read a thing I've said.
Soraya Xel wrote:Vell0cet, the truth is there's no world where CCP would be wise to spend all their R&D budget on DUST. Hate to break this to you. It's marked for new projects for a reason.
Best PvE idea ever!
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Cat Merc
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.08.05 19:42:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Vell0cet wrote:
I have been listening to your arguments.
You don't think DUST is worth CCP investing heavily in
False. Proving my point. You have not read a thing I've said. Soraya Xel wrote:Vell0cet, the truth is there's no world where CCP would be wise to spend all their R&D budget on DUST. Hate to break this to you. It's marked for new projects for a reason.
All =/= Heavily
They can invest 90% and still have 10% left over for side projects.
Which is exactly what Gunjack is. Hilmar straight up said he can fund it with what's in his wallet right now during FanFest 2015.
AND THEN STEVE BUSCEMI SHOWS UP ON A FLYING PIG FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON
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Leither Yiltron
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Posted - 2015.08.05 19:43:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:You do realize that nowhere in there does it say it's being delayed "indefinitely" right? Also, updates like this, and this and thisAll of which are more recent than your link You've got me, I don't keep up with bad games on PC. Lmfao you just made my day :D You adorable little tin-foil burrito you.
That's good. You made my day with how quickly you needed to defend a terrible game like Star Citizen. I don't really understand how you follow not one, but two bad games on a day to day basis. Is it hard? I mean Dust is bad, but at least it's RELEASED bad, and didn't need to pander to the lowest IQ portion of the gaming sector to boot up a Kickstarter.
Have a pony
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Vell0cet
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.08.05 19:44:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Vell0cet wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Vell0cet wrote:
I have been listening to your arguments.
You don't think DUST is worth CCP investing heavily in
False. Proving my point. You have not read a thing I've said. Soraya Xel wrote:Vell0cet, the truth is there's no world where CCP would be wise to spend all their R&D budget on DUST. Hate to break this to you. It's marked for new projects for a reason. All =/= Heavily They can invest 90% and still have 10% left over for side projects. Which is exactly what Gunjack is. Hilmar straight up said he can fund it with what's in his wallet right now during FanFest 2015.
Fair enough.
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