DUST Search - So Gunjack was developed by a small Shanghai team ?

Vell0cet wrote:

Soraya Xel wrote:

Vell0cet, that's not even remotely how businesses work. DUST has its own budget, and Gunjack development would pull from the R&D budget. If you just dumped resources into DUST with no concern for proper budgeting, DUST would be a money losing pit and would probably be cancelled. DUST has the resources that DUST can afford.

Sorry but you've got the wrong idea of how business works. Profit/loss are inconsequential for DUST right now. CCP has made the richest Shooter ever. If they invested the resources to get it right, the returns could be bigger than EVE. Hamstringing the project because of a short-term budget shortfalls is a terrible business strategy.

Amazon was founded in 1994 and didn't make an annual profit until 2003. It had millions of investors, why? Because the idea was good. It's not only reasonable in business to sacrifice short-term losses, for huge long-term profits, it's a very good strategy. If CCP hadn't strangled this project's budget, I think they could be bringing in much bigger profits by now.

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Soraya Xel Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 6	Posted - 2015.08.04 01:05:00 - [1] - Quote PLAYSTTION wrote: We already knew about this. I don't know why everyone is surprised, we were told months ago about this and how/when they made it. This. Not news. This was said at Fanfest this year. howard sanchez wrote: Look, I just want to ask this right now - are we gonna get Rouge Wedding'd again? Is CCP using Shanghai (Dust team) to develop a VR game while doing everything they can to suck the last bits of aurum out of a small but dedicated community of loyalists (if you're playing, reading or thinking about DUST you're a loyalist, all there is to it)? Because, CCP; I don't want to do that again. Hear me? DON'T DO THAT AGAIN! If anything, Gunjack is a good thing for DUST players. For one, Shanghai is a lot more than just DUST, and several benefits to DUST can come through sharing resources. You might've noticed in the Biomassed interview, AquarHEAD mentioned he has worked on multiple projects. We potentially get access to more dev resources since CCP is able to have staff there to do more than just one thing. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 6	Posted - 2015.08.04 02:22:00 - [2] - Quote Piercing Serenity wrote: Great. Since you're here, can you fill us in on what is going on, or what is causing all of the silence. I don't need some big reveal, I would just like an update on what is being worked on, or if we should expect a new feedback thread to go up soon, or something. The silence has been very thick the last couple of weeks As far as I know, most of it is just a result of people being very busy or not at their home office. Frame was in Iceland (he's back). Rattati is in Iceland now. Elections have been the big focus for Frame (and Leeloo in Iceland) in particular of late. Since the two of them are our primary communicators here, that's impacted that for sure. We still talk to Rattati daily, though our term has more or less effectively concluded beyond our transition activities involving handing off to CPM2 once elected. Warlords 1.3, of course, was updated on the roadmap relatively recently (week and a half ago), and the DUST team folks are currently working on that. Some people in Shanghai may have been last minute tasked for polishing Gunjack stuff (complete speculation here, though there are some people who work multiple hats in Shanghai). There are, as always, other things going on at CCP Shanghai I can't comment about. CCP Rouge is still a very busy person. I am still content with what I know of behind the NDA at this juncture, if that means anything to anyone. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 6	Posted - 2015.08.04 02:24:00 - [3] - Quote Also, Piercing, you can literally always get a hold of me at [email protected] or on Skype by searching for "Soraya Xel". You don't need to wait for me to happen to be here. ;) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 6	Posted - 2015.08.04 06:26:00 - [4] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: howard sanchez wrote: DUST becoming profitable is the only reason it's still alive Fairly sure DUST is only profitable because people keep sucking up AUR and virtually free to make SKINS while development has slowed to a crawl and the majority of the devs are gone. Basically, lower costs to a bare minimum in order to make mediocre sales more impactful. DUST's vision was excessive, and the resources thrown at it weren't exactly well-spent. (As much as people loved Caldari Prime, that was a huge development cost that we only got to experience for an extremely short time.) At the very least, DUST's vision needed to be brought in line, and excesses trimmed. And while for it's initial years of operating, actual sales felt sidelined, and most were unappealing purchases, yes, other than boosters while you needed them, and the BPOs, doing microtransactions right means the amount of items people want to buy has also gone up. Skin customization offers those bonuses without any impact on gameplay. That's the sort of microtransaction feature that should've been in a F2P game like DUST from the start. In addition, DUST hasn't just turned a profit now. It's demonstrated the product can indeed be successful. It has not only turned a profit, but it's proven it can even grow and thrive under the right leadership. New players are sticking around more. PCU numbers are actually up recently. We have a massive number more votes for CPM this year than we did last year. We have a community that's by and large vastly more productive, and the player/dev feedback loop on changes is one that even EVE can be jealous of. Recent progress on DUST, has, if anything, helped demonstrate how much promise this game can have if CCP gives it the resources it needs. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 6	Posted - 2015.08.04 12:11:00 - [5] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I guess it's easier for you as a CPM but I can't for life of me understand how anyone else has even a shred of faith left in CCP or their word. That's the only reason I could see not telling us if new version (Legion etc) is in development, because they know that not too many of us really believe anything that comes out of their mouths. They actually told you (and everyone else) why they have said nothing over and over and over again over the last year. CCP has had year after year of over-promising, and under-delivering. In fact, their tendency to share too much, that they failed to then deliver on, is where most people's faith in CCP went. CCP's new strategy is to not announce anything until it is basically done. So if and when they announce something new, it's because they're absolutely sure it's happening as opposed to something they might be working on. It's frustrating dealing with silence, but it's a lot worse to be constantly let down by broken promises. Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Uh... I think you misread it.... Unless you have a name list and can prove otherwise... This most likely means... one staff... for multiple projects. Slower development by forcing the focus to diverge on all fronts. That's exactly what it means, but you may not understand why that's a good thing. Development staff are specialized, and it's hard on a limited budget to hire everyone you might need. Maybe DUST in itself, hypothetically, can't afford to hire a 3D artist. So, on it's own, DUST would never have a 3D artist. However, it can afford half a 3D artist. So if CCP has two projects in one location that need a 3D artist, they can now afford a 3D artist, who can do work for both projects. (Hypothetically.) So, extending that hypothetical, if DUST could afford to hire one and a half more people, maybe they could get a 3D artist on their own. However, if they were sharing the staff with another project, they could afford a 3D artist, a map designer, and a programmer, split between two projects. Staff that can float allow projects more flexibility. Arian Neo wrote: Voted. Ones login to do so works. Sadly, I'm not running again this year! :( I have recommended a list of candidates you should vote for though. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 6	Posted - 2015.08.04 16:05:00 - [6] - Quote Vell0cet, that's not even remotely how businesses work. DUST has its own budget, and Gunjack development would pull from the R&D budget. If you just dumped resources into DUST with no concern for proper budgeting, DUST would be a money losing pit and would probably be cancelled. DUST has the resources that DUST can afford. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 6	Posted - 2015.08.04 17:12:00 - [7] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Vell0cet, that's not even remotely how businesses work. DUST has its own budget, and Gunjack development would pull from the R&D budget. If you just dumped resources into DUST with no concern for proper budgeting, DUST would be a money losing pit and would probably be cancelled. DUST has the resources that DUST can afford. Sorry but you've got the wrong idea of how business works. Profit/loss are inconsequential for DUST right now. CCP has made the richest Shooter ever. If they invested the resources to get it right, the returns could be bigger than EVE. Hamstringing the project because of a short-term budget shortfalls is a terrible business strategy. Amazon was founded in 1994 and didn't make an annual profit until 2003. It had millions of investors, why? Because the idea was good. It's not only reasonable in business to sacrifice short-term losses, for huge long-term profits, it's a very good strategy. If CCP hadn't strangled this project's budget, I think they could be bringing in much bigger profits by now. This is the kinda thinking that led to basically every mistake CCP has ever made. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 6	Posted - 2015.08.04 17:16:00 - [8] - Quote I'm not advocating for silence, so much as explaining why they are silent on the long term future. The entire company is on that page, and you and I are not going to get them to change it. That's also not to say they have to get to deployment day before they speak, but like Gunjack, which is not yet out, they need to be at the stage in development where release is assured. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 6	Posted - 2015.08.04 19:23:00 - [9] - Quote Vell0cet, the truth is there's no world where CCP would be wise to spend all their R&D budget on DUST. Hate to break this to you. It's marked for new projects for a reason. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 6	Posted - 2015.08.04 19:31:00 - [10] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Vell0cet, the truth is there's no world where CCP would be wise to spend all their R&D budget on DUST. Hate to break this to you. It's marked for new projects for a reason. Welp you heard it here first folks, CCP-HQ dgaf bout dust, for realzies Nonsense. But people need to realize that CCP is a company, it needs to be run like one. Expecting them to just dump all their money into what you personally play and enjoy is juvenile. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Soraya Xel Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 6	Posted - 2015.08.04 20:37:00 - [11] - Quote You and I both know DUST has a lot of potential, Vell0cet,but CCP cannot continue making solitary bets. They spent over ten years solely betting on EVE alone. Then they bet on WoD and it didn't eork, and then they bet on Carbon/WiS and it didn't work, and then they bet on DUST and it didn't pan put incredibly well. They're betting big on Valkyrie, but I don't know how big a deal that is really going to be. Rather than making one big bet at a time, CCP needs to work on smaller, achievable goals, and more importantly, to do more than one at a time. I definitely want to see DUST on next gen, but this criticism of them creating Gunjack is silly, because this is a small risk for a potential strong result. It makes sense. CCP uses its R&D budget to develop future possibilities, like Gunjack, while also investing in existing propdrties as it makes sense. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 6	Posted - 2015.08.04 21:28:00 - [12] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: All I want to know is whether ccp is still willing to do something about dust or they are just keeping this game alive long enough to fund other projects because if it's the latter then I can gladly stop wasting my time further on this game. I am confident in CCP's continued commitment to DUST at this juncture. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 6	Posted - 2015.08.04 21:51:00 - [13] - Quote Aeon, I almost hope you get on the next CPM so you can eat your words as I ask you if you're really asking the hard questions or just coasting by on what you're given. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 6	Posted - 2015.08.04 21:58:00 - [14] - Quote In case you're curious, Aeon, we've never had access to FoxFour as CPM1, and when I've asked for just some super simple API stuff for DUST outside of that, I was told it could not be done, but couldn't even get an answer as to why. Recently someone asked FoxFour about getting DUST Alerts workng again, and I offered to help host it or whatever if needbe, but didn't get a response. (This was all public forums and Twitter, FWIW.) And so, if you've had better luck contacting him, more power to you, but I don't really need your usual accusatory tone when I have, in fact, done my job. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 6	Posted - 2015.08.04 23:14:00 - [15] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Put me on the phone with CCP Hilmar next time you need to make a business case, and I'll get you all the resources you could ever want (and a raise). Keep up the good work. CPM1 spent a lot of time hanging around Hilmar at Fanfest where possible for good reason. :P Just saying. Regarding your above response, Vell0cet, I agree CCP needs to be concerned about Star Citizen and other competitors on their way. I responded in a thread on the EVE forums just today, once again stating my strong desire for WiS to be properly returned to. (Walking in Stations, for the uninitiated.) And game integration is definitely something I've always wanted. But as far as I'm aware, until that's a priority for the EVE team and the EVE developers, there's not a lot I can say on that. (CPM don't have a lot of access to EVE developers.) Integration with EVE, the API, a lot of that is all Iceland's domain. The EVE team is busy reinventing nullsec to be... about as boring as it was before... rather than doing things that push the envelope. That's on EVE players to demand a change in what they do there and on EVE developers to do it. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 6	Posted - 2015.08.04 23:46:00 - [16] - Quote Vell0cet, I could talk to CSM X folks on Skype near instantly if we really had a reason to. While, from a design standpoint, it'd be easy to implement with Fozzie Sov (one of the reasons I am okay with them doing that with sov), the reality is: Absolutely nobody at EVE dev is going to be willing to do it. Developing almost anything that interacts with EVE (or Tranquility in general, such as chat channels, corp features, API, etc.) heavily requires the EVE team to do it. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 6	Posted - 2015.08.05 03:44:00 - [17] - Quote Vell0cet, it doesn't matter that there are ways because EVE devs don't care. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 6	Posted - 2015.08.05 04:50:00 - [18] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: They should care [two more paragraphs of non-information] They don't. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 6	Posted - 2015.08.05 06:53:00 - [19] - Quote Basically, what it comes down to, is CSMs and EVE devs mostly care about EVE players, much like CPMs and DUST devs mostly care about DUST players. The sweet spot of mutual interest will happen someday but that day isn't today. Talk to regular EVE players, that's going to get you much further than trying to convince CSM to take our wishes over those of their own community. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 6	Posted - 2015.08.05 15:35:00 - [20] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: See, this is a much better response than simply 'they don't care' Really hope you don't work PR irl. I spent threr pages trying to explain things to Vell0cet. Inevitably, continually daft comments are going to get a daft answer. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.

Soraya Xel Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 6	Posted - 2015.08.05 16:05:00 - [21] - Quote Slack isn't really designed for public chatrooms. And I'm still not sure which hipsters were responsible for creating a Slack for EVE people. Just go on Skype, you get the same crud without the awful. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 6	Posted - 2015.08.05 17:53:00 - [22] - Quote Vell0cet, you literally have not registered anything I've said to you. But that's okay, I've accepted that somehow Cross can say all the same things I do and he gets lathered in praise for it. I'm just going to be bitter about it forever. Cross, you, me, CCP Atlanta. I want a rematch. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 6	Posted - 2015.08.05 19:34:00 - [23] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: I have been listening to your arguments. You don't think DUST is worth CCP investing heavily in False. Proving my point. You have not read a thing I've said. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.