Not that it's any of your collective concern, but I am in Iceland going to my brothers wedding and to my other brother's newborn baptism, but please keep tinfoiling, it pleases me.

Pass along congratulations from the unwashed masses.

When you return please sterilize the community by killing everyone who has posted in this thread.

Pass along congratulations from the unwashed masses.

When you return please sterilize the community by killing everyone who has posted in this thread.

That includes you Breakin

Remember I keep telling people I always keep all of the variables in mind when I look at a dilemma?

You've pointed out the most obvious one.

That's good. You made my day with how quickly you needed to defend a terrible game like Star Citizen. I don't really understand how you follow not one, but two bad games on a day to day basis. Is it hard? I mean Dust is bad, but at least it's RELEASED bad, and didn't need to pander to the lowest IQ portion of the gaming sector to boot up a Kickstarter.

Fair enough.
We shall die together, as husband and wife.

All =/= Heavily
They can invest 90% and still have 10% left over for side projects.

Which is exactly what Gunjack is. Hilmar straight up said he can fund it with what's in his wallet right now during FanFest 2015.

How often do you guys talk to the CSM? I think DUST could "easily" (from a design standpoint) be added to "Fozzie Sov." You could have a DUST fight be involved in the node captures. You could have DUST PvE be involved in raising the index of the system somehow. DUST mercs could "entosis" an enemy space elevator asset. You could integrate the games via exploration (like the proposal in my sig). The possibilities are immense and wonderful. I fear that siloing these games into their own columns is a big part of why the integration is so hard to pull off. DUST guys saying it's on the EVE guy's shoulders, EVE guy saying it's on the DUST guy's shoulders, etc. I hope the CPM2 can spend some serious time talking about this stuff with the CSM. Ideally they would conference in the CPM in to the CSM summits for a session or two to discuss this stuff.

Ooh, you even spout baseless assumptions :3. You're the best. I don't follow DUST, I just waste time on the forums specifically for people like you. My response literally took me 3 minutes to find links on their site.

Who are the CSM? I think it's time the DUST players started reaching out to the CSM and attempting to show that, we are still around and Rattati has done a damn good job.

The EVE players are interested in working with us. They just don't know how to find us, work with us, or really do anything besides chat. Orbital Bombardments? EVE players have to figure it out... It's not even in the EVE tutorial

For those of you who are interested you can meet a lot of Eve players outside of the game through tweetfleet.slack.com. They even have a Dust 514 section to hash out ideas about Dust 514 over there but you can absolutely chat up the Eve players in your spare time. Lot of CCP Devs use Slack as well and while I don't recommend messaging them directly and pestering them you can, and probably should, try to hit them up with your questions related to what they do as a developer when they're in the public channels. Some members of the CSM are also in there and from the talks I've had, they do support Dust 514 but in the limited capacity that they are allowed since they can't push for features in a game that "isn't in their jurisdiction", if that makes any sense.

Vell0cet, you literally have not registered anything I've said to you.

But that's okay, I've accepted that somehow Cross can say all the same things I do and he gets lathered in praise for it. I'm just going to be bitter about it forever. Cross, you, me, CCP Atlanta. I want a rematch.

All =/= Heavily
They can invest 90% and still have 10% left over for side projects.

Which is exactly what Gunjack is. Hilmar straight up said he can fund it with what's in his wallet right now during FanFest 2015.

Since I am here,

Gunjack is pretty awesome in the GearVR, i didn't expect it to be so great to be honest, but there is something mesmerizingly fun there. It cannot be judged from a 2D trailer, that much is sure.

CCP has had to look hard and deep at how they do things given what has happened. Projects are treated as separate business cases where each lead makes the strongest case possible. Budgets are granted on a case by case basis and certainly do not come out of other project budgets.

Gunjack does not detract in any way from DUST 514. As a matter of fact, it makes the CCP Shanghai studio much stronger and capable, showing what can be done with the right vision, the right methods, a great tool in UE4 and a small team.

CCP needs to diversify, yet smartly, and Gunjack is one of the ways to do that while keeping EVE Online as the ultimate sci-fi mmo experience.

The CSM, like the CPM, are representatives of their own community and as such it is incumbent upon them to pass along the feedback from their community. The most effective way to get the CSM on board with a Dust related idea is to get the EVE player base on board with it. Frankly they wouldn't be very effective at representing the views of their community of they let the CPM or anyone else convince them to push ideas that have no vocal support among their own player base. No matter how good those ideas may be conceptually.
CSM and CPM are advisory bodies, not executive ones.

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The good news is CCP Shanghai is cutting their teeth on UE4 on something other than Dust dev.

Of course you're 100% correct that the CSM is accountable to EVE players and CPM is accountable to DUST players. That said, if we don't take steps to try to have shared conversations I fear progress will continue to remain stalled. I'm pretty sure the EVE player base isn't very interested in DUST because it doesn't really affect them in any meaningful way (possible exception for FW pilots who can make decent ISK from orbitals), not to mention I think most EVE players think DUST is dead. It's a chicken/egg problem. It would be beneficial to both games if the CPM & the CSM could have a closer relationship (maybe doing a joint townhall podcast every 6 months, and/or remotely conferencing in the CPM for a joint session at a summer/winter summit).

In my opinion, something as simple as a shared event could go a long ways towards indicating that CCP does stand behind DUST. It doesn't have to be complicated or require a lot of effort from the Dev team.

It's not a matter of the CPM and CSM having a close relationship or the ability to communicate, we chat not infrequently.
It is a matter of not having anything 'business' related to talk about because for us to go to the duel Dev teams of EVE and Dust and say "our constituents want X" we have to be hearing that from the players within both communities.

You are right that the footprint of Dust within EVE is pretty ephemeral, I did what I could personally to change that at Fanfest this year but any one player (shiny forum tag or no) can only do so much and it is really about reaching out from one player base to the other on the individual level and building support for more robust interaction/connection. If there is mutual community support I think it'll happen, if however we're asking for it to happen so that we can build mutual community interaction I think we'll likely be waiting a long time indeed.

We may not have mechanics, but if there were a ground swell of support from both communities for an idea or method that could provide those mechanics I believe it would be looked into. Lacking that demonstration of support however, well, player feedback may not define Dev priorities but it does feed them and if something lacks community support it is going to be hard to get one, let alone two, Dev teams on board with making it a priority.

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EDIT: As to shared events, I think Lore is the way to go because while it requires interaction from CCP folks with regards to keeping the event dynamic and doing some NPC RPing, it doesn't require new code or engineering to enact and it still provides contemporary connective tissue between the games and communities.
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Of course you're 100% correct that the CSM is accountable to EVE players and CPM is accountable to DUST players. That said, if we don't take steps to try to have shared conversations I fear progress will continue to remain stalled. I'm pretty sure the EVE player base isn't very interested in DUST because it doesn't really affect them in any meaningful way (possible exception for FW pilots who can make decent ISK from orbitals), not to mention I think most EVE players think DUST is dead. It's a chicken/egg problem. It would be beneficial to both games if the CPM & the CSM could have a closer relationship (maybe doing a joint townhall podcast every 6 months, and/or remotely conferencing in the CPM for a joint session at a summer/winter summit).

In my opinion, something as simple as a shared event could go a long ways towards indicating that CCP does stand behind DUST. It doesn't have to be complicated or require a lot of effort from the Dev team.

Look, I just want to ask this right now - are we gonna get Rouge Wedding'd again?

Is CCP using Shanghai (Dust team) to develop a VR game while doing everything they can to suck the last bits of aurum out of a small but dedicated community of loyalists (if you're playing, reading or thinking about DUST you're a loyalist, all there is to it)?

Because, CCP; I don't want to do that again. Hear me? DON'T DO THAT AGAIN!

Look, I just want to ask this right now - are we gonna get Rouge Wedding'd again?

Is CCP using Shanghai (Dust team) to develop a VR game while doing everything they can to suck the last bits of aurum out of a small but dedicated community of loyalists (if you're playing, reading or thinking about DUST you're a loyalist, all there is to it)?

Because, CCP; I don't want to do that again. Hear me? DON'T DO THAT AGAIN!

...Yes, because replacing DUST 514 entirely with a smartphone game app is CCP moving into the future with the best methods and motives possible.

Please read the above statement in the most drily John Cleese britishly sarcastic tone possible.

Or perhaps imagine the mocking voice of Eddie Izzard.

Or better yet, a five year old in a tone indicating that even they are curious where the hell you find the logic.

...Yes, because replacing DUST 514 entirely with a smartphone game app is CCP moving into the future with the best methods and motives possible.

Please read the above statement in the most drily John Cleese britishly sarcastic tone possible.

Or perhaps imagine the mocking voice of Eddie Izzard.

Or better yet, a five year old in a tone indicating that even they are curious where the hell you find the logic.

Not that it's any of your collective concern, but I am in Iceland going to my brothers wedding and to my other brother's newborn baptism, but please keep tinfoiling, it pleases me.

I just came across this article in my RSS feed: I Tried VR and It Was Just OK. It's written by Jeff Atwood, the cofounder of Stack Overflow (i.e. a very smart guy). It's an interesting read. I've never tried VR before, and I really want to like it, but he makes some great points. You need very high resolution and exceptional performance for it to be a good experience. This is incredibly hardware intensive. After reading this, I'm even more skeptical about the Samsung Gear VR.

The Occulus Rift may be the first hardware to pull it off, but I have serious doubts about a cellphone having the horsepower to drive a good experience. Even if Gunjack manages to pull it off and actually be a great experience--due in part to lots of black in the scene where you won't notice the grid of black pixel boundaries as much--If there aren't enough other good games to entice someone to drop $200 on the hardware and even more on the phone if they don't have one, then the platform itself will be a failure. Having a good game on a failed platform is not going to be a commercial success (again, that's assuming it's even going to be good).

Have not as of this post read the article but was not optimistic, or frankly even interested in, VR at the time I arrived in Iceland for Fanfest.

Post Fanfest my assessment is that VR could be wickedly cool for the right games but that there will likely be many games which try to sell "because VR" as oppose to games that use the functionality of VR as a meaningful part of their UI.

The hardware intensiveness is a legitimate aspect and should be considered.
That being said I've played an earlier version of Gunjack on the gal 6 and it was fun if you like the space invaders style of game (I happen to) with no motion sickness or image tearing issues at all.

Now as to consumer uptake on the hardware, that is an entirely different matter and one which I could only really provide conjecture or hearsay.

The game itself however works fine, is visually solid (though I'm not the most "eye candy" obsessed person so maybe a grain of salt here) and is fun if you like the light weight style of shooter experience it provides.

It should also be noted that the Gal 6 VR and the next gen of Occulus Rift (which I got a peak at running Valk) are not the same experience. Valkyrie is much more hardware intensive and provides a lot more visual power and depth, but requires a lot more hardware support to do so.

Just some of my observations.

Cheers,
Cross

They should care, because Star Citizen is nipping at their heals and trying to take their marketshare (and ultimately their jobs). Solid integration with DUST/Legion/whatever would give them a competitive advantage.

I get that CCP Iceland pulled back from DUST integration after the disastrous launch, but I think CCP Rattati has demonstrated pretty damn well that DUST isn't the turd everyone thought it was. DUST has more or less proven itself over the past year to be resilient. I don't think many other games would have survived the launch, the drama with the Legion announcement, the aging hardware that's been eclipsed by next-gen consoles for nearly 2 years now, and the gutting of it's dev team. I think it's time for EVE Devs/CCP upper management to seriously consider adding EVE/DUST integration back onto the roadmap. It would be good for the health of both games.