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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.08.03 20:12:00 -
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I'm pretty sure the Shanghai studio IS a small team
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.08.04 06:19:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote: DUST becoming profitable is the only reason it's still alive
Fairly sure DUST is only profitable because people keep sucking up AUR and virtually free to make SKINS while development has slowed to a crawl and the majority of the devs are gone.
Basically, lower costs to a bare minimum in order to make mediocre sales more impactful.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.08.04 06:30:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:howard sanchez wrote: DUST becoming profitable is the only reason it's still alive Fairly sure DUST is only profitable because people keep sucking up AUR and virtually free to make SKINS while development has slowed to a crawl and the majority of the devs are gone. Basically, lower costs to a bare minimum in order to make mediocre sales more impactful. DUST's vision was excessive, and the resources thrown at it weren't exactly well-spent. (As much as people loved Caldari Prime, that was a huge development cost that we only got to experience for an extremely short time.) At the very least, DUST's vision needed to be brought in line, and excesses trimmed. And while for it's initial years of operating, actual sales felt sidelined, and most were unappealing purchases, yes, other than boosters while you needed them, and the BPOs, doing microtransactions right means the amount of items people want to buy has also gone up. Skin customization offers those bonuses without any impact on gameplay. That's the sort of microtransaction feature that should've been in a F2P game like DUST from the start. In addition, DUST hasn't just turned a profit now. It's demonstrated the product can indeed be successful. It has not only turned a profit, but it's proven it can even grow and thrive under the right leadership. New players are sticking around more. PCU numbers are actually up recently. We have a massive number more votes for CPM this year than we did last year. We have a community that's by and large vastly more productive, and the player/dev feedback loop on changes is one that even EVE can be jealous of. Recent progress on DUST, has, if anything, helped demonstrate how much promise this game can have if CCP gives it the resources it needs.
And yet for all we know, they're letting it slowly suffocate to death, wasting away all our time, passion and money, so they can **** away that money on stupid little phone games.
I guess it's easier for you as a CPM but I can't for life of me understand how anyone else has even a shred of faith left in CCP or their word. That's the only reason I could see not telling us if new version (Legion etc) is in development, because they know that not too many of us really believe anything that comes out of their mouths.
It's just sad and frustrating to see a game that I literally have had more passion for than any other game be reduced to a sad shell of what it could have been, and not because it can't be done: because it WON'T be done. That's how it looks from the outside. It looks like CCP is keeping the lights on just enough to keep the fans happy and spending, while it slowly strangles to death in its own slow stagnation.
It's honestly ******* infuriating.
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Swarms everywhere.
So-bittervet
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.08.04 18:45:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:
The common notion that expenditures are 'being taken out of' one projects budget to be 'put into' another is at a functional level misconception in your larger scope modern studios.
So if that money and dev time wasn't spent on Gunjack it would...disappear?
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.08.04 20:13:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Vell0cet, the truth is there's no world where CCP would be wise to spend all their R&D budget on DUST. Hate to break this to you. It's marked for new projects for a reason. Welp you heard it here first folks, CCP-HQ dgaf bout dust, for realzies Nonsense. But people need to realize that CCP is a company, it needs to be run like one. Expecting them to just dump all their money into what you personally play and enjoy is juvenile.
CCP is a company that strings its most loyal players along, encouraging them to continue spending when they themselves refuse to.
I expect CCP to live up to their "10 year plan" and not drop their games whenever something OOH SHINY comes along. They're chasing the golden apple, and they're just gonna wind up with a rotten apple core if they keep keeping at it.
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Swarms everywhere.
So-bittervet
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.08.05 00:26:00 -
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Dzago Sevatarion wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Cross Atu wrote:
The common notion that expenditures are 'being taken out of' one projects budget to be 'put into' another is at a functional level misconception in your larger scope modern studios.
So if that money and dev time wasn't spent on Gunjack it would...disappear? If the game's development was financed the game not existing would mean no funds were borrowed. (Crude example.)
Fair point is fair
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.08.05 06:24:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Vell0cet, it doesn't matter that there are ways because EVE devs don't care. They should care, because Star Citizen is nipping at their heals and trying to take their marketshare (and ultimately their jobs). Solid integration with DUST/Legion/whatever would give them a competitive advantage. I get that CCP Iceland pulled back from DUST integration after the disastrous launch, but I think CCP Rattati has demonstrated pretty damn well that DUST isn't the turd everyone thought it was. DUST has more or less proven itself over the past year to be resilient. I don't think many other games would have survived the launch, the drama with the Legion announcement, the aging hardware that's been eclipsed by next-gen consoles for nearly 2 years now, and the gutting of it's dev team. I think it's time for EVE Devs/CCP upper management to seriously consider adding EVE/DUST integration back onto the roadmap. It would be good for the health of both games.
EVE probably won't ever have what Star Citizen may end up having, those teams are monsters lol. EVE will definitely continue to do well and grow, but SC offers an entirely different experience.
One that I am going to lose many, many hours and dollars to >_<
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Swarms everywhere.
So-bittervet
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.08.05 16:27:00 -
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Starlight Burner wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Basically, what it comes down to, is CSMs and EVE devs mostly care about EVE players, much like CPMs and DUST devs mostly care about DUST players. The sweet spot of mutual interest will happen someday but that day isn't today. Talk to regular EVE players, that's going to get you much further than trying to convince CSM to take our wishes over those of their own community. Shame, well CCP has 9 months to put something together; because my patience for a great Space Sci-fi game is running out. Last bet is on SC since DUST isn't getting more involvement with EVE.
Dat FPS mod though.
SC is only going to be for a certain crowd though, given the high required specs for your PC, and the over the top realism. FPS with only 1 life? Yes ******* please.
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Swarms everywhere.
So-bittervet
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.08.05 17:50:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:See, this is a much better response than simply 'they don't care'
Really hope you don't work PR irl. I spent threr pages trying to explain things to Vell0cet. Inevitably, continually daft comments are going to get a daft answer. I was being rational and objective, you were the one being "daft" with ad hominems like calling me juvenile and dismissing things outright instead of discussing the merits of the argument. I'll take the high road, thank you. My point stands, I think DUST has proven its worth. It has overcome a ton of obstacles and is better than it's ever been. A year ago I could see why CCP wanted to hold back on integrating the games, It was unclear if it would still exist in a few months. I really don't know what else CCP Rattati could have done to improve things given the resources he had available. In my opinion, it's time to start the process of integrating the games again. It will take a long time (years) and should proceed slowly, so the process should start sooner than later. The obvious place to start is having an ongoing dialogue between the CPM and the CSM, brainstorming ideas for integration targeting the "lowest-hanging fruit" that has the smallest risk and least amount of dev resources to pull off that both player bases would be happy with. As I've stated before, Small tweaks to FW could create some significant improvements for both EVE and DUST and seems like a reasonable place to start a conversation.
I personally think trying to link the games now would just be a waste of resources.
The only way a meaningful link is going to happen is if this game gets a serious upgrade, aka Legion. They need all new code that they've built with staff that isn't all fired, so they can actually go back in and easily fix things and upgrade things, unlike now.
Make DUST 514-2, then work on a link.
I am a beautiful space manatee, flying through the sky with the greatest of ease
Swarms everywhere.
So-bittervet
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.08.05 19:08:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Basically, what it comes down to, is CSMs and EVE devs mostly care about EVE players, much like CPMs and DUST devs mostly care about DUST players. The sweet spot of mutual interest will happen someday but that day isn't today. Talk to regular EVE players, that's going to get you much further than trying to convince CSM to take our wishes over those of their own community. Shame, well CCP has 9 months to put something together; because my patience for a great Space Sci-fi game is running out. Last bet is on SC since DUST isn't getting more involvement with EVE. Dat FPS mod though. SC is only going to be for a certain crowd though, given the high required specs for your PC, and the over the top realism. FPS with only 1 life? Yes ******* please. SC's FPS mod got delayed indefinitely. As a Dust player, I can only imagine why.
Odd, considering the constant HUGE updates that RCI puts out on the FPS mod....
But hey, as a fellow DUST player, I understand the need to hoard and wear tinfoil. No judgement.
I am a beautiful space manatee, flying through the sky with the greatest of ease
Swarms everywhere.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.08.05 19:33:00 -
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You do realize that nowhere in there does it say it's being delayed "indefinitely" right?
Also, updates like this, and this and this
All of which are more recent than your link
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Swarms everywhere.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.08.05 19:37:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:You do realize that nowhere in there does it say it's being delayed "indefinitely" right? Also, updates like this, and this and thisAll of which are more recent than your link You've got me, I don't keep up with bad games on PC.
Lmfao you just made my day :D
You adorable little tin-foil burrito you.
I am a beautiful space manatee, flying through the sky with the greatest of ease
Swarms everywhere.
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.08.05 20:11:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:You do realize that nowhere in there does it say it's being delayed "indefinitely" right? Also, updates like this, and this and thisAll of which are more recent than your link You've got me, I don't keep up with bad games on PC. Lmfao you just made my day :D You adorable little tin-foil burrito you. That's good. You made my day with how quickly you needed to defend a terrible game like Star Citizen. I don't really understand how you follow not one, but two bad games on a day to day basis. Is it hard? I mean Dust is bad, but at least it's RELEASED bad, and didn't need to pander to the lowest IQ portion of the gaming sector to boot up a Kickstarter.
Ooh, you even spout baseless assumptions :3. You're the best. I don't follow DUST, I just waste time on the forums specifically for people like you. My response literally took me 3 minutes to find links on their site.
I can't help it you take everything you read online as gospel and lack the ability to fact check.
You are awfully angry though, you migh want to take an extra session or two with your shrink . Don't get mad, get glad
I am a beautiful space manatee, flying through the sky with the greatest of ease
Swarms everywhere.
So-bittervet
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DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.08.07 02:30:00 -
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Luk Manag wrote:Vell0cet wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Vell0cet, it doesn't matter that there are ways because EVE devs don't care. They should care, because Star Citizen is nipping at their heals and trying to take their marketshare (and ultimately their jobs). Solid integration with DUST/Legion/whatever would give them a competitive advantage. I get that CCP Iceland pulled back from DUST integration after the disastrous launch, but I think CCP Rattati has demonstrated pretty damn well that DUST isn't the turd everyone thought it was. DUST has more or less proven itself over the past year to be resilient. I don't think many other games would have survived the launch, the drama with the Legion announcement, the aging hardware that's been eclipsed by next-gen consoles for nearly 2 years now, and the gutting of it's dev team. I think it's time for EVE Devs/CCP upper management to seriously consider adding EVE/DUST integration back onto the roadmap. It would be good for the health of both games. Years ago we had a fanfest video showing Dust 514 mercs defending a space station. They had the right idea, but it was just a promotional video. Still, I thought for sure CCP would be the first to introduce boarding parties to alliance warfare or anything more than FW (which has always been a minor part of Eve Online - not really related to 0.0 or major alliances or major resources or major economic impacts). I thought Star Citizen would light a fire under CCP's ass, but so far the new things look like arcade games. I'm starting to think CCP has completely backed down after WIS failed, and never plan on unlocking the space apartments. I'll be trying out the Star Marine alpha as soon as they release it.
Im hoping my PC is fixed in time for Star Marine, I still want a HOTAS setup for Arena Commander or at the very least a good game pad, I am terribad with MKB lol. Star Marine looks intense as far as the realism and likely tactics required to succeed. And I REALLY want to play that sports game thing they have in Star Marine too, the one that kind of looks like Blitz Ball in Space.
The funniest thing about Star Citizen is that I've never seen people get so angry about a game before. Like, people get straight up venomous when it comes to SC if they believe it won't happen. It's hilarious, and sad :/
I am a beautiful space manatee, flying through the sky with the greatest of ease
Swarms everywhere.
So-bittervet
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