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Shepherd Grey
Capital Acquisitions LLC
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Posted - 2015.06.12 02:41:00 -
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I have been informed that some of you have a bad opinion of my organization, or me personally. To be honest, I never expected to be in the position that I am in...nor to have the responsibilities that come with it. I remember clearly coming from the bottom, fighting against the powers that be, and struggling to earn our right among the rest. I will spare you the memoir.
I am not a carebear (completely). I WANT you to struggle, to desire more, to strive for improvement. The hardest aspects of PC itself is what challenges both the player and the team in its entirety, and those with the fortitude to carry on build the bonds that make this game.....well, the game I love. To fully experience the single most dynamic component of DUST514, I believe you MUST participate in the competitive field and test your valor.
However, in PC's current state, it appears assistance is necessary to uplift the majority of "up and comers" (and those whose previous attempts have met with failure) and give them a chance. My current plan is to segregate, as best I can, corps based on tiers into corresponding constellations within Molden Heath (there are 6 constellations total). To begin, the lowest tiers will be provided a district free-of-charge in a specific constellation. This way, they can essentially "have it out" in fair fights with corps of similar skill in close proximity with each other without any disruption by corps of obviously higher skill.
So far, I have some top-tier corps that agree not to interfere with this course of action, and will devote resources toward construction of this system.
This thread is meant to gather corp names that wish to take part in this PC reformation, and be given their district. Also, relevant and coherent feedback would be appreciated.
I ask that only corp leaders make any attempt to contact me in game, that I may extradite this plan swiftly.
Shep
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Shepherd Grey
Capital Acquisitions LLC
549
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Posted - 2015.06.12 02:41:00 -
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reserved |
KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 02:43:00 -
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Shepherd Grey wrote:reserved
I have heard many things about you, but reserved has never made the list before.
My favorite tank is a Lightning. Just sayin.
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D4GG3R
0uter.Heaven
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 03:01:00 -
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I wholeheartedly approve of this idea.
I'm pretty plain.
I watch anime for the boobs
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Leither Yiltron
Molon Labe.
RUST415
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 03:06:00 -
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Mostly just bad opinions of you, not really CAcq in general.
Long term roadmap by Aeon Amadi
Have a pony
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Scheneighnay McBob
Tribal Liberation Force Paramilitary
7
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Posted - 2015.06.12 03:43:00 -
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I've never heard anyone say ANYTHING about your corp, always just been a name.
Now this thread just shows you're an obnoxious douche like all the other PC corps.
You aren't even a well-known obnoxious douche; this thread is just a pathetic cry for attention.
Rule 34.6.1: every parody will have a crossover
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Scheneighnay McBob
Tribal Liberation Force Paramilitary
7
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Posted - 2015.06.12 03:46:00 -
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D4GG3R wrote:I wholeheartedly approve of this idea.
I wholeheartedly approve of just waiting for CCP to lower the PC entrance costs (as they plan to) rather than throwing your corp wallet out the window because some carebears want a fight, and can't handle another tryhard PC corp.
Rule 34.6.1: every parody will have a crossover
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SHERIFF joe arapio
US Border Patrol
185
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Posted - 2015.06.12 03:47:00 -
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Reeks of care bear. Like the whole mentality that everyone deserves a trophy. That BS. There are winners and there are losers. If you are a loser you don't get to own land.
Sounds like this could be a great way to troll corps though. Clone packs are only 10mil. Cap gives sh!tty corp A a district. I launch attack from BS corp with ringers 10 mins later. You know because #honour.
Any idea how the corps are doing from the last land give away?
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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SHERIFF joe arapio
US Border Patrol
185
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Posted - 2015.06.12 03:49:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:D4GG3R wrote:I wholeheartedly approve of this idea. I wholeheartedly approve of just waiting for CCP to lower the PC entrance costs (as they plan to) rather than throwing your corp wallet out the window because some carebears want a fight, and can't handle another tryhard PC corp.
They already did.
If you can't handle try hards stay outta PC.
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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SHERIFF joe arapio
US Border Patrol
185
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Posted - 2015.06.12 03:55:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I've never heard anyone say ANYTHING about your corp, always just been a name.
Now this thread just shows you're an obnoxious douche like all the other PC corps.
You aren't even a well-known obnoxious douche; this thread is just a pathetic cry for attention.
Just reading this response shows what an immature butthurt b!tch you are. You obviously can't handle pc or that competitive side.
Cap is probably the biggest land giver in pc.
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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Dust User
Horizons' Edge
No Context
2
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Posted - 2015.06.12 04:11:00 -
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Shepherd Grey wrote:A bunch of nonsense.
#BENT |
D4GG3R
0uter.Heaven
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 04:16:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I've never heard anyone say ANYTHING about your corp, always just been a name.
Now this thread just shows you're an obnoxious douche like all the other PC corps.
You aren't even a well-known obnoxious douche; this thread is just a pathetic cry for attention.
The CEO of the corporation holding the most districts in new eden is a nobody? Seems legit.
Someone untwist this guy's panties because he clearly can't do it on his own.
I'm pretty plain.
I watch anime for the boobs
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D4GG3R
0uter.Heaven
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 04:17:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:D4GG3R wrote:I wholeheartedly approve of this idea. I wholeheartedly approve of just waiting for CCP to lower the PC entrance costs (as they plan to) rather than throwing your corp wallet out the window because some carebears want a fight, and can't handle another tryhard PC corp.
Why? Its not your wallet, not your problem, move along.
I'm pretty plain.
I watch anime for the boobs
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gustavo acosta
Capital Acquisitions LLC
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 04:29:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:D4GG3R wrote:I wholeheartedly approve of this idea. I wholeheartedly approve of just waiting for CCP to lower the PC entrance costs (as they plan to) rather than throwing your corp wallet out the window because some carebears want a fight, and can't handle another tryhard PC corp.
I have never heard anyone say ANYTHING about you, always been just a random forum nerd,
Now this post shows you're an ignorant speck of nothing like every other waste of matter that makes up these forums.
You aren't even a well known ignorant speck of nothing; this post is just a pathetic misinformed cry for attention.
(insulting randoms template guys)
I have never heard anyone say ANYTHING about (noun), always been just a (description),
Now this post shows you're an (insult) like every other (insult).
You aren't even a well known (insult); this (noun) is just a pathetic (action presented as insult])
GimmeDatSuhWeet isk
We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
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Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
5
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Posted - 2015.06.12 04:34:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I've never heard anyone say ANYTHING about your corp, always just been a name.
Now this thread just shows you're an obnoxious douche like all the other PC corps.
You aren't even a well-known obnoxious douche; this thread is just a pathetic cry for attention.
Well now he has an obnoxious douche typing does that count?
GG was very EZ
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DEATH SURRONDS
0uter.Heaven
23
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Posted - 2015.06.12 05:52:00 -
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0uter.Heaven stands behind this idea and will help protect new Corps |
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
24
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Posted - 2015.06.12 08:09:00 -
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Sometimes the sandbox delivers!
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
10
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Posted - 2015.06.12 08:27:00 -
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DEATH SURRONDS wrote:0uter.Heaven stands behind this idea and will help protect new Corps
Because you guys are so great at that  OH isn't exactly known for being true to their word, lol. You guys kinda got a reputation for being wishy-washy and shady when it comes to politics. But, yanno, Jack Sparrow said it best:
"-a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest. Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for, because you can never predict when they're going to do something incredibly... stupid."
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Back and Forth
8
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Posted - 2015.06.12 09:32:00 -
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Shepherd Grey wrote:I have been informed that some of you have a bad opinion of my organization, or me personally. To be honest, I never expected to be in the position that I am in...nor to have the responsibilities that come with it. I remember clearly coming from the bottom, fighting against the powers that be, and struggling to earn our right among the rest. I will spare you the memoir.
I am not a carebear (completely). I WANT you to struggle, to desire more, to strive for improvement. The hardest aspects of PC itself is what challenges both the player and the team in its entirety, and those with the fortitude to carry on build the bonds that make this game.....well, the game I love. To fully experience the single most dynamic component of DUST514, I believe you MUST participate in the competitive field and test your valor.
However, in PC's current state, it appears assistance is necessary to uplift the majority of "up and comers" (and those whose previous attempts have met with failure) and give them a chance. My current plan is to segregate, as best I can, corps based on tiers into corresponding constellations within Molden Heath (there are 6 constellations total). To begin, the lowest tiers will be provided a district free-of-charge in a specific constellation. This way, they can essentially "have it out" in fair fights with corps of similar skill in close proximity with each other without any disruption by corps of obviously higher skill.
So far, I have some top-tier corps that agree not to interfere with this course of action, and will devote resources toward construction of this system.
This thread is meant to gather corp names that wish to take part in this PC reformation, and be given their district. Also, relevant and coherent feedback would be appreciated.
I ask that only corp leaders make any attempt to contact me in game, that I may extradite this plan swiftly.
Shep
It's sounds interesting but it also sounds like you will have to deal with a lot of crying, policing and hand holding.
I understand the need to help the community with PC and such but you are undertaking a large investment that might not pay out.
Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll hurt you.
CBM In the CPM
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Back and Forth
8
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Posted - 2015.06.12 09:34:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:DEATH SURRONDS wrote:0uter.Heaven stands behind this idea and will help protect new Corps Because you guys are so great at that OH isn't exactly known for being true to their word, lol. You guys kinda got a reputation for being wishy-washy and shady when it comes to politics. But, yanno, Jack Sparrow said it best: "-a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest. Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for, because you can never predict when they're going to do something incredibly... stupid."
Do you even PC?
where did that even come from?
Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll hurt you.
CBM In the CPM
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 09:51:00 -
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PL isn't in the state it's in because it's "competitive " its just not worth the time. There are dozens of districts open for attack right now, but the dust community can't be bothered to attack.
Giving away districts has been happening for over a year. People still cant be bothered to participate. Says a lot about PC
24 hr notice for corps to hire ringers, It's why i'm looking forward to raiding. Kind of. I fight the PC corps in pubs all the time, not a lot of distinction between that and a raid.
No offense but maybe you won't attack a smaller Corp, maybe 1 or 2 other corps won't, but another larger Corp will.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
"I sometimes wonder why I share stuff "- CCP Rattati
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Yokal Bob
Dead Man's Game
957
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Posted - 2015.06.12 10:05:00 -
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Honestly, I think that as ringers are so widely used, it is pointless. Say you gave A a district, B goes to fight thinking they are of similr calibre. A hires PC veterans, B brings its own players and loses. So not a fair fight, nor honest. Or, another scenario, you give A a district, other big corp goes oh easy fight, takes.
The ringer mechanic has broken PC, the low playerbase has left PC broken. Certain players e-peens have left PC broken
Pointless in my opinion
Vote Dust for PS4
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Zaria Min Deir
0uter.Heaven
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 11:19:00 -
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DEATH SURRONDS wrote:0uter.Heaven stands behind this idea and will help protect new Corps
Does it?
Nothing particularly new about this idea, Blitz was trying to get the Almur project going again months ago, very few people cared for it. If Cap is now onboard, that helps, but it's really on the community to actually want to come in and try. Can't be in PC if you aren't willing to actually do PC.
I've already done what I can to place new/smaller corps into Almur, but there really just has been very little interest.
BTW, taking people's last/only districts is not a way to help... And people from the "big" PC corps being bored and ringing for anybody and helping them flip those districts also doesn't help. How are you planning to stop that? I've asked people to stop doing that ****, and they still do it anyway, because "bored".
Have you considered installing the improved keyboard?
"Go Go Power Rangers!"
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4lbert Wesker
Mithril Forge
E-R-A
227
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Posted - 2015.06.12 11:38:00 -
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These Capital tryhards took Mithril Forge last 2 districts so yeah,noone likes you and your band of tryhards. But it doesn't matter,you will lose all when PC version of Dust comes out.And then my dear gentlemen,you will face true terror of mouse and keyboard veterans like myself and there will be no Minmatard strafing that will save you from the eyes and reflex of a true PC user :) Every scrub is afraid of that,and 5that's why they want it to be moved on PS4...
Public skirmish = camping games,
Public domination = officer sniping games,
Public ambush = russian roulette
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shaman oga
Dead Man's Game
4
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Posted - 2015.06.12 11:45:00 -
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Before everything else i would like a decent framerate.
I've played 2 PC lately, yesterday, with your corp and the day before with another.
The day before framerate was, not smooth, but acceptable, i could move and see where i was going and shoot stuff.
Yesterday, framerate was ok till i was only with my team, when the first red i saw came on HP, the framerate dropped dramatically.
Then my main concern was to try to move from one point to another without find myself hitting my head against a wall.
Strange fact is that, at least for me, framerate drops only when i'm near a red, while my teammates do not affect it at all, despite friendly fire is enabled, so they are possible targets.
So, imho, the first thing to do is make the mode, playable, then they should make it enjoyable.
Shaman's Shack - A place to trade
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The KTM DuKe
Dead Man's Game
324
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Posted - 2015.06.12 12:09:00 -
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4lbert Wesker wrote:These Capital tryhards took Mithril Forge last 2 districts so yeah,noone likes you and your band of tryhards. But it doesn't matter,you will lose all when PC version of Dust comes out.And then my dear gentlemen,you will face true terror of mouse and keyboard veterans like myself and there will be no Minmatard strafing that will save you from the eyes and reflex of a true PC user :) Every scrub is afraid of that,and 5that's why they want it to be moved on PS4...
After more than 2 months of farming you come here and QQ about the fact they flipped you, no comment
H0riz0n Unlimit alt - Nexus Balusa Horizon -> RND -> I.H. -> DMG!
Loyal till the end.
Gallente omni-merc
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Kalante Schiffer
Ancient Exiles.
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 12:25:00 -
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4lbert Wesker wrote:These Capital tryhards took Mithril Forge last 2 districts so yeah,noone likes you and your band of tryhards. But it doesn't matter,you will lose all when PC version of Dust comes out.And then my dear gentlemen,you will face true terror of mouse and keyboard veterans like myself and there will be no Minmatard strafing that will save you from the eyes and reflex of a true PC user :) Every scrub is afraid of that,and 5that's why they want it to be moved on PS4... You make it sound more like a crutch than a superior version of the controller. Do you really think limitations of skill have boundaries? No, but if mouse and keyboard is so great and you boast these reflexes how come ive never seen you in the competitive scene here in dust? i mean if you are the master of k/ms why cant you master a sh*tty controller? If competitive players that play Dust make the best of it with what they have here available, do you really think they wont in PC? I mean think about it for a second. It is basically opening a door for ascension, unrestricted, unlocking one's full potential if these competitive players ever touched a PC. |
4lbert Wesker
Mithril Forge
E-R-A
227
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Posted - 2015.06.12 12:35:00 -
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I use kb/m 15 years
Controller 9 months(this is my first FPS game i EVER played with a controller)
The time I "master" playing with a controller,this game will be shutted down.Sorry but I am not a console peasant :)
Public skirmish = camping games,
Public domination = officer sniping games,
Public ambush = russian roulette
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Kalante Schiffer
Ancient Exiles.
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 12:38:00 -
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4lbert Wesker wrote:I use kb/m 15 years
Controller 9 months(this is my first FPS game i EVER played with a controller)
The time I "master" playing with a controller,this game will be shutted down.Sorry but I am not a console peasant :) really? ive used the kb/m for almost 16 years since the first unreal tournament came out and controller for over 17 years. You have much to learn.
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Zaria Min Deir
0uter.Heaven
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 12:49:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:4lbert Wesker wrote:I use kb/m 15 years
Controller 9 months(this is my first FPS game i EVER played with a controller)
The time I "master" playing with a controller,this game will be shutted down.Sorry but I am not a console peasant :) really? ive used the kb/m for almost 16 years since the first unreal tournament came out and controller for over 17 years. You have much to learn.
But you're also OP as hell, so there's that...
Have you considered installing the improved keyboard?
"Go Go Power Rangers!"
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lance venom
RED 0MEN.
Evil Syndicate Alliance.
2
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Posted - 2015.06.12 13:02:00 -
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4lbert Wesker wrote:These Capital tryhards took Mithril Forge last 2 districts so yeah,noone likes you and your band of tryhards. But it doesn't matter,you will lose all when PC version of Dust comes out.And then my dear gentlemen,you will face true terror of mouse and keyboard veterans like myself and there will be no Minmatard strafing that will save you from the eyes and reflex of a true PC user :) Every scrub is afraid of that,and 5that's why they want it to be moved on PS4...
True however some of the people only want consoles and have no interest in PC as they have no idea of the real benefits a good gaming PC can be betwean 600-1000 if yo make it itself to play most new games on med or max settings mines a little better paying games like witcher at 80-60frps on max setting looking epic ps my pcs about 6 years old but most people only have home editions that are relatively new spend 200 doll on a nvidia 700 series graphics cards all most PC need. But I digress consoles are and have always been. Iv given up on dust ATM until a new update comes out then I'll try it again playing ARK survival evolved on steam early access alpha ATM 25$ updating 2-3 times a day and fr running better than dust not to be released till june of next year. But I do hope it moves to PC so I'll probably play it again. |
Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
10
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Posted - 2015.06.12 13:04:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:DEATH SURRONDS wrote:0uter.Heaven stands behind this idea and will help protect new Corps Because you guys are so great at that OH isn't exactly known for being true to their word, lol. You guys kinda got a reputation for being wishy-washy and shady when it comes to politics. But, yanno, Jack Sparrow said it best: "-a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest. Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for, because you can never predict when they're going to do something incredibly... stupid." Do you even PC? where did that even come from?
Yes, I PC. I PC quite a bit in the past (multiple wars, mercenary work, etc) but since joining NF I've sort of trailed off the PC end of things because we're mostly mercenaries who work for pay and... Well, work isn't exactly bustling at the moment
Where does that come from? A long standing history of watching OH attack corporations in their own alliance and other corporations completely out of the blue O.o;
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Luna McDuffing
COALICION LATINA
Smart Deploy
196
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Posted - 2015.06.12 13:20:00 -
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The problem is not the propose system. Tge problem is the enforcement. The idea of giving a lower tier vorp a district is a great ine but, then the same people that promused to defend it are the same ones that will attack it and keep it weak. Simply put there is no honor among thieves (ourselfs included). I do like the idea but, history and experience have proved this not to work as intended. I do also think that it is a good 1st step in the right direction. Mire dialogue on this topic may orove to be fruitfull |
VikingKong iBUN
0uter.Heaven
411
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Posted - 2015.06.12 13:25:00 -
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gustavo acosta wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:D4GG3R wrote:I wholeheartedly approve of this idea. I wholeheartedly approve of just waiting for CCP to lower the PC entrance costs (as they plan to) rather than throwing your corp wallet out the window because some carebears want a fight, and can't handle another tryhard PC corp. I have never heard anyone say ANYTHING about you, always been just a random forum nerd, Now this post shows you're an ignorant speck of nothing like every other waste of matter that makes up these forums. You aren't even a well known ignorant speck of nothing; this post is just a pathetic misinformed cry for attention. (insulting randoms template guys) I have never heard anyone say ANYTHING about ( noun), always been just a ( description), Now this post shows you're an ( insult) like every other ( insult). You aren't even a well known ( insult); this ( noun) is just a pathetic ( adjective optional]) cry for attention
Ah, useful. Template saved!
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Arirana
Negative-Feedback.
982
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Posted - 2015.06.12 13:28:00 -
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I had similar player made MH segregation based on tier idea that I posted in the war room about 17 months ago, you can view it HERE and see why it failed due to poor responses because it was me posting it.
Its not a bad idea but it would require far too much work on the part of the players and probably would not last long if it even takes effect at all. I realized this and soon gave up on it, but times are different, perhaps CCP will look into implementing mechanics that follow the same idea.
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ReGnYuM
Murphys-Law
3
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Posted - 2015.06.12 13:43:00 -
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Shepherd Grey wrote:I have been informed that some of you have a bad opinion of my organization, or me personally. To be honest, I never expected to be in the position that I am in...nor to have the responsibilities that come with it. I remember clearly coming from the bottom, fighting against the powers that be, and struggling to earn our right among the rest. I will spare you the memoir.
I am not a carebear (completely). I WANT you to struggle, to desire more, to strive for improvement. The hardest aspects of PC itself is what challenges both the player and the team in its entirety, and those with the fortitude to carry on build the bonds that make this game.....well, the game I love. To fully experience the single most dynamic component of DUST514, I believe you MUST participate in the competitive field and test your valor.
However, in PC's current state, it appears assistance is necessary to uplift the majority of "up and comers" (and those whose previous attempts have met with failure) and give them a chance. My current plan is to segregate, as best I can, corps based on tiers into corresponding constellations within Molden Heath (there are 6 constellations total). To begin, the lowest tiers will be provided a district free-of-charge in a specific constellation. This way, they can essentially "have it out" in fair fights with corps of similar skill in close proximity with each other without any disruption by corps of obviously higher skill.
So far, I have some top-tier corps that agree not to interfere with this course of action, and will devote resources toward construction of this system.
This thread is meant to gather corp names that wish to take part in this PC reformation, and be given their district. Also, relevant and coherent feedback would be appreciated.
I ask that only corp leaders make any attempt to contact me in game, that I may extradite this plan swiftly.
Shep
Playing God in Molden Heath is often a tricky and dangerous slope.... tread wisely |
Luna McDuffing
COALICION LATINA
Smart Deploy
196
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Posted - 2015.06.12 13:45:00 -
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Here is my proposition. Lets rank the corps by the number of districts owned. Corps with only 1 district should be left alone so that they can pick their own fights. Respect the last district rule. Cops with over 3 district but less than 5 should be concidered secondary targets. Top corps could attack these corps on ocassion in good faith to test their skills. Corp with more than 5 districts should be a primary target. I personally believe that a corp with more than 5 dustricts are just greedy and is holding the game back. These corps should be attacked constantly. |
Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
2
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Posted - 2015.06.12 13:48:00 -
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This thread makes me happy.
More egos for the fire!
Shun the non-PCers!
We will run our gated community we kicked all the immigrants out ourselves!
....why hasn't anyone cut the grass?
Mwah hahaha
Sometimes I THINK you're r-tarded, most times I KNOW you're r-tarded. I less than three you DUST forums.
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D4GG3R
0uter.Heaven
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 13:48:00 -
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I suppose enforcement would be difficult, but not impossible. Depends how much effort the entities controlling the process want to put forth.
I'm pretty plain.
I watch anime for the boobs
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Tech Ohm Eaven
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 14:02:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I've never heard anyone say ANYTHING about your corp, always just been a name.
Now this thread just shows you're an obnoxious douche like all the other PC corps.
You aren't even a well-known obnoxious douche; this thread is just a pathetic cry for attention.
Did you spend countless hours in conversation with CCP Commander Wang getting the Three Bears weapon for Dust 514?
Did you spend countless hours in conversation with CCP Commander Wang getting the Predator movie ridge weapon for Dust 514?
no?
no?
Did you just for kicks always run starter fits to reach a personal goal of a billion isk?
no?
and you never even bothered to say thanks for the laser and the mass driver weapons
try being polite?
as an example
thank you tech ohm for the time spent getting the laser and mass driver under consideration
who am i?
a ******* nobody
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Tech Ohm Eaven
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 14:04:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Shepherd Grey wrote:I have been informed that some of you have a bad opinion of my organization, or me personally. To be honest, I never expected to be in the position that I am in...nor to have the responsibilities that come with it. I remember clearly coming from the bottom, fighting against the powers that be, and struggling to earn our right among the rest. I will spare you the memoir.
I am not a carebear (completely). I WANT you to struggle, to desire more, to strive for improvement. The hardest aspects of PC itself is what challenges both the player and the team in its entirety, and those with the fortitude to carry on build the bonds that make this game.....well, the game I love. To fully experience the single most dynamic component of DUST514, I believe you MUST participate in the competitive field and test your valor.
However, in PC's current state, it appears assistance is necessary to uplift the majority of "up and comers" (and those whose previous attempts have met with failure) and give them a chance. My current plan is to segregate, as best I can, corps based on tiers into corresponding constellations within Molden Heath (there are 6 constellations total). To begin, the lowest tiers will be provided a district free-of-charge in a specific constellation. This way, they can essentially "have it out" in fair fights with corps of similar skill in close proximity with each other without any disruption by corps of obviously higher skill.
So far, I have some top-tier corps that agree not to interfere with this course of action, and will devote resources toward construction of this system.
This thread is meant to gather corp names that wish to take part in this PC reformation, and be given their district. Also, relevant and coherent feedback would be appreciated.
I ask that only corp leaders make any attempt to contact me in game, that I may extradite this plan swiftly.
Shep
Playing God in Molden Heath is often a tricky and dangerous slope.... tread wisely
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Al the destroyer
0uter.Heaven
445
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Posted - 2015.06.12 14:29:00 -
[42] - Quote
Zaria Min Deir wrote:
BTW, taking people's last/only districts is not a way to help... And people from the "big" PC corps being bored and ringing for anybody and helping them flip those districts also doesn't help. How are you planning to stop that? I've asked people to stop doing that ****, and they still do it anyway, because "bored".
+1 Zaria I like the idea every time it gets brought up but as long as this keeps happening NOTHING will change. All corps have players that do this and don't care about smaller corps or last district rules. Like it or not Ringers will always be used and the smaller corps that use the best ringers will win. |
Leither Yiltron
Molon Labe.
RUST415
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 14:33:00 -
[43] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:Sometimes the sandbox delivers!
Adding a blue tag to this thread makes me rather uncomfortable.
Almost all attempts to make PC "more playable" for "new corporations" have been deeply political in the history of PC. Now PC's not really very active right now so that it hardly matters, but lending advertisement to a corporation's politically motivated thread isn't really okay.
Long term roadmap by Aeon Amadi
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Zaria Min Deir
0uter.Heaven
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 14:38:00 -
[44] - Quote
Arirana wrote:I had similar player made MH segregation based on tier idea that I posted in the war room about 17 months ago, you can view it HERE and see why it failed due to poor responses because it was me posting it. Its not a bad idea but it would require far too much work on the part of the players and probably would not last long if it even takes effect at all. I realized this and soon gave up on it, but times are different, perhaps CCP will look into implementing mechanics that follow the same idea.
Indeed. It ends up being a strain on the "protectors", and then comes the time when they just can't deliver beacause, you know, the game isn't a job... and then crying ensues on the forums about that too >.<
The fact is that for a community effort like this you need a healthy and willing community. A handful of corps can pledge all they want and have all the good intentions, but that's not enough.
Have you considered installing the improved keyboard?
"Go Go Power Rangers!"
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SHERIFF joe arapio
US Border Patrol
190
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Posted - 2015.06.12 14:51:00 -
[45] - Quote
Zaria Min Deir wrote:Arirana wrote:I had similar player made MH segregation based on tier idea that I posted in the war room about 17 months ago, you can view it HERE and see why it failed due to poor responses because it was me posting it. Its not a bad idea but it would require far too much work on the part of the players and probably would not last long if it even takes effect at all. I realized this and soon gave up on it, but times are different, perhaps CCP will look into implementing mechanics that follow the same idea. Indeed. It ends up being a strain on the "protectors", and then comes the time when they just can't deliver beacause, you know, the game isn't a job... and then crying ensues on the forums about that too >.< The fact is that for a community effort like this you need a healthy and willing community. A handful of corps can pledge all they want and have all the good intentions, but that's not enough.
OMG sounds like the LDR,,the Last District Rule. Look at all the crying and whining that has produced.
"Oh no,,,,those mean bullies took my last district" "Oh my Gawd,,they have no honour, they brought in ringers"
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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SHERIFF joe arapio
US Border Patrol
190
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Posted - 2015.06.12 14:55:00 -
[46] - Quote
Leither Yiltron wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Sometimes the sandbox delivers! Adding a blue tag to this thread makes me rather uncomfortable. .
Are you ok? Do you need a shoulder to cry on? I dont want you to feel uncomfortable. That wouldnt be politically correct.
I am sure Mr. Shep has a trophy for you too. We are all winners now.
When you join Rust415 do they issue kleenex and midol?
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Back and Forth
8
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Posted - 2015.06.12 14:55:00 -
[47] - Quote
Al the destroyer wrote:Zaria Min Deir wrote:
BTW, taking people's last/only districts is not a way to help... And people from the "big" PC corps being bored and ringing for anybody and helping them flip those districts also doesn't help. How are you planning to stop that? I've asked people to stop doing that ****, and they still do it anyway, because "bored".
+1 Zaria I like the idea every time it gets brought up but as long as this keeps happening NOTHING will change. All corps have players that do this and don't care about smaller corps or last district rules. Like it or not Ringers will always be used and the smaller corps that use the best ringers will win.
Ringers don't win wars, corp teams do...
Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll hurt you.
CBM In the CPM
Get Dust ISK Here
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MCLOVIN619
44
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Posted - 2015.06.12 14:57:00 -
[48] - Quote
D4GG3R wrote:I suppose enforcement would be difficult, but not impossible. Depends how much effort the entities controlling the process want to put forth.
lolexemplars
Hotter then Anna Kendrick http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W5uX3zCyKzc
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Shepherd Grey
Capital Acquisitions LLC
554
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Posted - 2015.06.12 14:58:00 -
[49] - Quote
Leither Yiltron wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Sometimes the sandbox delivers! Adding a blue tag to this thread makes me rather uncomfortable. Almost all attempts to make PC "more playable" for "new corporations" have been deeply political in the history of PC. Now PC's not really very active right now so that it hardly matters, but lending advertisement to a corporation's politically motivated thread isn't really okay.
What political motivations could one possibly have, given the current system?
Here is the previous renditions of "assisting" the new corporations into PC:
PFC, where corporations were charged ISK to even attain a district there, and charged RENT to stay there.
Altbrard - Cub's nursery. The location of OUR first district. Again, we were CHARGED ISK to attain a district there, and offered an "insurance package" if we wanted guaranteed protection against harassment (which I refused).
Almur - Elements mimic the system I am attempting to establish. MET WITH GREAT SUCCESS, until O.H. disappeared and FA well.....pulled an FA.
As we can see here, it is not the smaller corps you are concerned with but the EXECUTORS of the system, correct? This endeavor has zero potential for profit....the politics followed the ISK.
Open your windows, remove tinfoil hat, plug your phone back in, say hello to a stranger.....the world isn't all bad. Rattati is entitled to an opinion, whether you share his sentiment(s) or not. As always, the constructive criticism is sincerely appreciated.
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Al the destroyer
0uter.Heaven
446
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Posted - 2015.06.12 15:00:00 -
[50] - Quote
Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Al the destroyer wrote:Zaria Min Deir wrote:
BTW, taking people's last/only districts is not a way to help... And people from the "big" PC corps being bored and ringing for anybody and helping them flip those districts also doesn't help. How are you planning to stop that? I've asked people to stop doing that ****, and they still do it anyway, because "bored".
+1 Zaria I like the idea every time it gets brought up but as long as this keeps happening NOTHING will change. All corps have players that do this and don't care about smaller corps or last district rules. Like it or not Ringers will always be used and the smaller corps that use the best ringers will win. Ringers don't win wars, corp teams do...
I wasn't referring to wars only to those trying to keep their land. |
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SHERIFF joe arapio
US Border Patrol
193
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Posted - 2015.06.12 15:04:00 -
[51] - Quote
Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Al the destroyer wrote:Zaria Min Deir wrote:
BTW, taking people's last/only districts is not a way to help... And people from the "big" PC corps being bored and ringing for anybody and helping them flip those districts also doesn't help. How are you planning to stop that? I've asked people to stop doing that ****, and they still do it anyway, because "bored".
+1 Zaria I like the idea every time it gets brought up but as long as this keeps happening NOTHING will change. All corps have players that do this and don't care about smaller corps or last district rules. Like it or not Ringers will always be used and the smaller corps that use the best ringers will win. Ringers don't win wars, corp teams do...
Unless Dust User is on your team,,,then it is guaranteed victory.
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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Shepherd Grey
Capital Acquisitions LLC
556
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Posted - 2015.06.12 15:11:00 -
[52] - Quote
Al the destroyer wrote:
I wasn't referring to wars only to those trying to keep their land.
Agreed to a certain extent. However, as you can see with NF's current "we are a merc corp" strategy, they are left (in their own words) with "little to no work at all."
This leads to the underlying purpose of this structure. Remove the interest in ringing for the lower tiers at all. With higher risk comes higher reward, where each tier would associate a greater reward for its corresponding required risk investment.
Separate conversation entirely. The goal here is to start from the bottom, one step at a time. Corps that otherwise would have little to no interest in PC whatsoever due to their past experiences (or reports from the battlefield) of the trials and tribulations against the top 1% need to be encouraged to give this a chance. They truly are the 99% that could bring this game back to life. Otherwise, these words fall on deaf ears.
I can't illustrate the fact that I am nothing like my predecessors other than implementing this blueprint. Therefore, the structure must be analyzed and formulated in such a way that best benefits the user.
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Leither Yiltron
Molon Labe.
RUST415
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 15:20:00 -
[53] - Quote
Shepherd Grey wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Sometimes the sandbox delivers! Adding a blue tag to this thread makes me rather uncomfortable. Almost all attempts to make PC "more playable" for "new corporations" have been deeply political in the history of PC. Now PC's not really very active right now so that it hardly matters, but lending advertisement to a corporation's politically motivated thread isn't really okay. *whining*
What a surprise to find Shepherd Grey whining, as per the usual. The political motivations are obvious and persistent across every single "help a noobie!" program (all of which have failed spectacularly, incidentally). If you're successful, you've gained political capital and alliances from whatever organizations you've "brought up". Even if you're unsuccessful, your post is a (disingenuous) attempt to harvest good will from players and the community at large who don't realize the impossibility of the plan.
Almur met with...great success? Where are the successful teams? Don't make me laugh.
Everything in PC is political, and devs really should stay well and clear of it.
Long term roadmap by Aeon Amadi
Have a pony
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Back and Forth
8
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Posted - 2015.06.12 15:30:00 -
[54] - Quote
Leither Yiltron wrote:Shepherd Grey wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Sometimes the sandbox delivers! Adding a blue tag to this thread makes me rather uncomfortable. Almost all attempts to make PC "more playable" for "new corporations" have been deeply political in the history of PC. Now PC's not really very active right now so that it hardly matters, but lending advertisement to a corporation's politically motivated thread isn't really okay. *whining* What a surprise to find Shepherd Grey whining, as per the usual. The political motivations are obvious and persistent across every single "help a noobie!" program (all of which have failed spectacularly, incidentally). If you're successful, you've gained political capital and alliances from whatever organizations you've "brought up". Even if you're unsuccessful, your post is a (disingenuous) attempt to harvest good will from players and the community at large who don't realize the impossibility of the plan. Almur met with...great success? Where are the successful teams? Don't make me laugh. Everything in PC is political, and devs really should stay well and clear of it.
So you are saying all the 60 plus corps currently in PC are there because they are battle hardened vets who constantly been fighting for there districts for the past 2 years without the help of any help a noob corp program in PC.
Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll hurt you.
CBM In the CPM
Get Dust ISK Here
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SHERIFF joe arapio
US Border Patrol
194
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Posted - 2015.06.12 15:33:00 -
[55] - Quote
Leither Yiltron wrote:Shepherd Grey wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Sometimes the sandbox delivers! Adding a blue tag to this thread makes me rather uncomfortable. Almost all attempts to make PC "more playable" for "new corporations" have been deeply political in the history of PC. Now PC's not really very active right now so that it hardly matters, but lending advertisement to a corporation's politically motivated thread isn't really okay. *whining* What a surprise to find Shepherd Grey whining, as per the usual. The political motivations are obvious and persistent across every single "help a noobie!" program (all of which have failed spectacularly, incidentally). If you're successful, you've gained political capital and alliances from whatever organizations you've "brought up". Even if you're unsuccessful, your post is a (disingenuous) attempt to harvest good will from players and the community at large who don't realize the impossibility of the plan. Almur met with...great success? Where are the successful teams? Don't make me laugh. Everything in PC is political, and devs really should stay well and clear of it.
LOL WOW the hypocrisy is strong in Moldy Labia.
You say he is whining,,but yet you feel uncomfortable about a blue tag....GTFO here. lol my stomach hurts from laughing at you.
I hope Moldy Labia gets a district. US Border Patrol will be coming to check your paperwork. 20 Million Isk and 15 Ringers,for pure unadulterated tears from a half man half woman,,,GG Leather Clitron.
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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Scheneighnay McBob
Tribal Liberation Force Paramilitary
7
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Posted - 2015.06.12 15:46:00 -
[56] - Quote
gustavo acosta wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:D4GG3R wrote:I wholeheartedly approve of this idea. I wholeheartedly approve of just waiting for CCP to lower the PC entrance costs (as they plan to) rather than throwing your corp wallet out the window because some carebears want a fight, and can't handle another tryhard PC corp. I have never heard anyone say ANYTHING about you, always been just a random forum nerd, Now this post shows you're an ignorant speck of nothing like every other waste of matter that makes up these forums. You aren't even a well known ignorant speck of nothing; this post is just a pathetic misinformed cry for attention. (insulting randoms template guys) I have never heard anyone say ANYTHING about ( noun), always been just a ( description), Now this post shows you're an ( insult) like every other ( insult). You aren't even a well known ( insult); this ( noun) is just a pathetic ( adjective optional]) cry for attention
You sound like you're trying to be like NF was back in beta, only you're doing it badly.
The only reason this thread has is to try luring weaker corps into PC to farm ISK off of, rather than aiming for a real fight with the other PC corps.
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Zaria Min Deir
0uter.Heaven
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 15:48:00 -
[57] - Quote
Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Al the destroyer wrote:Zaria Min Deir wrote:
BTW, taking people's last/only districts is not a way to help... And people from the "big" PC corps being bored and ringing for anybody and helping them flip those districts also doesn't help. How are you planning to stop that? I've asked people to stop doing that ****, and they still do it anyway, because "bored".
+1 Zaria I like the idea every time it gets brought up but as long as this keeps happening NOTHING will change. All corps have players that do this and don't care about smaller corps or last district rules. Like it or not Ringers will always be used and the smaller corps that use the best ringers will win. Ringers don't win wars, corp teams do...
Viktor you are correct, but we're not talking about wars here, not in the sightest. This is about corporations new to PC being removed, and we've seen it happen over and over again. Someone with barely any PC experience, players with low SP (compared to PC vets) and only 1 or maybe 2 districts being stomped by a team with veteran ringers is not a war.
It doesn't need to be one of the "top corps" attacking the weaker corps, in fact it is quite often another small corp hiring/acquiring ringers because they want the win, and really don't care about getting good enough to do it themselves. I get approached sometimes by people from corps I have never heard of asking to hire a team to take a district from another corp I've barely even heard of either. These people are willing to pay to remove someone else from the starmap, but they don't want a district themselves, not even a completely free one, because they expect someone will do the same to them. Almost makes me both cry and laugh at the same time.
Protecting the community as a whole is not everyone's cup of tea. And people play a game to be entertained. Thinking long term can make it less entertaining for sure, and for players that get their kicks redlining a weaker team, this whole conversation is irrelevant.
Have you considered installing the improved keyboard?
"Go Go Power Rangers!"
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Scheneighnay McBob
Tribal Liberation Force Paramilitary
7
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Posted - 2015.06.12 15:54:00 -
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SHERIFF joe arapio wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I've never heard anyone say ANYTHING about your corp, always just been a name.
Now this thread just shows you're an obnoxious douche like all the other PC corps.
You aren't even a well-known obnoxious douche; this thread is just a pathetic cry for attention. Just reading this response shows what an immature butthurt b!tch you are. You obviously can't handle pc or that competitive side. Cap is probably the biggest land giver in pc.
I haven't invested anything in PC (was a ringer before, however) because right now, it's just an ISK sink.
I'm speaking from both experience and common sense, which the rest of the community lacks: this is another one of the many threads that a powerful corp makes to stroke their e-peens, now with an added scam that even newer players should be able to see through.
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Leither Yiltron
Molon Labe.
RUST415
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 15:57:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote:Shepherd Grey wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Sometimes the sandbox delivers! Adding a blue tag to this thread makes me rather uncomfortable. Almost all attempts to make PC "more playable" for "new corporations" have been deeply political in the history of PC. Now PC's not really very active right now so that it hardly matters, but lending advertisement to a corporation's politically motivated thread isn't really okay. *whining* What a surprise to find Shepherd Grey whining, as per the usual. The political motivations are obvious and persistent across every single "help a noobie!" program (all of which have failed spectacularly, incidentally). If you're successful, you've gained political capital and alliances from whatever organizations you've "brought up". Even if you're unsuccessful, your post is a (disingenuous) attempt to harvest good will from players and the community at large who don't realize the impossibility of the plan. Almur met with...great success? Where are the successful teams? Don't make me laugh. Everything in PC is political, and devs really should stay well and clear of it. So you are saying all the 60 plus corps currently in PC are there because they are battle hardened vets who constantly been fighting for there districts for the past 2 years without the help of any help a noob corp program in PC.
Nice try at a straw man. No. Any of the remnants of activity of PC who weren't here two years ago got in via a completely decentralized method- handing off of districts to smaller corps from people who have too much combined with the last-district rule. Anything more complicated is bloated politicizing, as the utter lack of success from any of the past attempts at this kind of thing showcase. As Zaria points out, even these really basic rules are something that "top" corps don't usually have the discipline to adhere to.
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Al the destroyer
0uter.Heaven
446
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Posted - 2015.06.12 16:24:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:SHERIFF joe arapio wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I've never heard anyone say ANYTHING about your corp, always just been a name.
Now this thread just shows you're an obnoxious douche like all the other PC corps.
You aren't even a well-known obnoxious douche; this thread is just a pathetic cry for attention. Just reading this response shows what an immature butthurt b!tch you are. You obviously can't handle pc or that competitive side. Cap is probably the biggest land giver in pc. I haven't invested anything in PC (was a ringer before, however) because right now, it's just an ISK sink. I'm speaking from both experience and common sense, which the rest of the community lacks: this is another one of the many threads that a powerful corp makes to stroke their e-peens, now with an added scam that even newer players should be able to see through.
I don't think this is epeen at all. Blitz has wanted to give new corps a chance at PC as well, its healthier for the game that more experience the highest level of the game. We all know that when "top" corps run in squads in lolpubs and don't meet other "top" corps in said match its an instant redline. No fun for anyone.
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Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
5
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Posted - 2015.06.12 16:34:00 -
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Kalante Schiffer wrote:4lbert Wesker wrote:I use kb/m 15 years
Controller 9 months(this is my first FPS game i EVER played with a controller)
The time I "master" playing with a controller,this game will be shutted down.Sorry but I am not a console peasant :) really? ive used the kb/m for almost 16 years since the first unreal tournament came out and controller for over 17 years. You have much to learn.
That explains your aim being perfect.. I've been using a controller competitively for 3 years off and on..If you count all the time that I'd quit it's probably actually close to 1 year (I don't just mean pc's by competitively either) .I haven't used kb/m competitively since I left AVP AJL, now that was always competitive..for those who don't know a bunch of the top players from AVP broke off and made AJL mod and duked it out there so it was no longer "EZ"
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
10
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Posted - 2015.06.12 16:36:00 -
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Zaria Min Deir wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Al the destroyer wrote:Zaria Min Deir wrote:
BTW, taking people's last/only districts is not a way to help... And people from the "big" PC corps being bored and ringing for anybody and helping them flip those districts also doesn't help. How are you planning to stop that? I've asked people to stop doing that ****, and they still do it anyway, because "bored".
+1 Zaria I like the idea every time it gets brought up but as long as this keeps happening NOTHING will change. All corps have players that do this and don't care about smaller corps or last district rules. Like it or not Ringers will always be used and the smaller corps that use the best ringers will win. Ringers don't win wars, corp teams do... Viktor you are correct, but we're not talking about wars here, not in the sightest. This is about corporations new to PC being removed, and we've seen it happen over and over again. Someone with barely any PC experience, players with low SP (compared to PC vets) and only 1 or maybe 2 districts being stomped by a team with veteran ringers is not a war. It doesn't need to be one of the "top corps" attacking the weaker corps, in fact it is quite often another small corp hiring/acquiring ringers because they want the win, and really don't care about getting good enough to do it themselves. I get approached sometimes by people from corps I have never heard of asking to hire a team to take a district from another corp I've barely even heard of either. These people are willing to pay to remove someone else from the starmap, but they don't want a district themselves, not even a completely free one, because they expect someone will do the same to them. Almost makes me both cry and laugh at the same time. Protecting the community as a whole is not everyone's cup of tea. And people play a game to be entertained. Thinking long term can make it less entertaining for sure, and for players that get their kicks redlining a weaker team, this whole conversation is irrelevant.
I find it admirable and I really appreciate what you're trying to do here. I really think we need a stronger effort to 'distract' veteran players from ringing and what not.
... but at the same time, it is a really good source of income for guys like me =P
So, I'm sort of on the fence about it. I'm all down for coming up with innovative ways to give veterans more meaningful things to do besides ring for lesser corporations and curb-stomp the competition but on the other side of things, it is just way too lucrative. Talking one or two million ISK for the win plus whatever the corp is paying out (usually covers losses, at the very least, but I've gotten some pretty hefty "tips").
I'm hard pressed to give any sort of meaningful feedback or ideas here when the sandbox element of being a mercenary is working... extraordinarily well... 
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Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
5
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Posted - 2015.06.12 16:41:00 -
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Shepherd Grey wrote:Al the destroyer wrote:
I wasn't referring to wars only to those trying to keep their land.
Agreed to a certain extent. However, as you can see with NF's current "we are a merc corp" strategy, they are left (in their own words) with "little to no work at all." This leads to the underlying purpose of this structure. Remove the interest in ringing for the lower tiers at all. With higher risk comes higher reward, where each tier would associate a greater reward for its corresponding required risk investment. Separate conversation entirely. The goal here is to start from the bottom, one step at a time. Corps that otherwise would have little to no interest in PC whatsoever due to their past experiences (or reports from the battlefield) of the trials and tribulations against the top 1% need to be encouraged to give this a chance. They truly are the 99% that could bring this game back to life. Otherwise, these words fall on deaf ears. I can't illustrate the fact that I am nothing like my predecessors other than implementing this blueprint. Therefore, the structure must be analyzed and formulated in such a way that best benefits the user.
NF has always been like that just this time around they want little amount of land..which I never liked cuz that means less pc's but whatever..everyone trying to kill ringing yet this game is about mercenaries lol..
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JIMvc2
Consolidated Dust
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 16:58:00 -
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The only PC battle Ive been in was 843 vs KEQ. That was the only pc battle I ever played and wow. It was awesome. Back in 2013.
Why did the white girl cross the road? To get to Starbucks. <-- My GF will kill me if I ask her that lol :)
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Starlight Burner
Arrary of Clusters
282
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Posted - 2015.06.12 17:20:00 -
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This is quite interesting to read... If this holds true and happens without fail, my personal grudge against Cap Acq will change.
I like your idea and hope it all goes well.
CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
Learning Alliance
6
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Posted - 2015.06.12 17:21:00 -
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Immortal Guides does not need a district at this time.
Our PC team graduated from my training Corp and formed Destiny Immortals.
If the second class of 2015 get there act together enough to dip their toes in the pool of Planetary Conflict, then I will contact you.
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 17:48:00 -
[67] - Quote
The majority of negative responses in here toward Shepherd on this topic are completely off. The previous Parks and Recreations Project which released land wholesale first-come first-served was an initiative created in part by Shepherd's desire for more, newer, groups to have an avenue into Molden Heath and PC.
Yes, CAP wars. It's a fundamental there. But at the executive level it's not an irresponsible "clone anything that moves" ethic. There is an accountablity litmus at work there also.
The naysayers also need to realize that any effort like this is only partially an effort on the part of the initiators. The greater effort comes from the participants. Those who see an opportunity and can capitalize on it without delving into exploitation or abuse of it. This could be a real good thing for everyone. Provided everyone, as much as can be arranged, can adhere to whatever basic structurals are needed.
Good Luck, Shepherd Grey and all the others who are and who choose to be involved in this. You know you have my support.
Open-Beta Vet.
CAPCRO Nomad.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 17:57:00 -
[68] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:Sometimes the sandbox delivers!
It always does, given time.
That guy thats advising you're probably better off not being involved? He's probably worth listening to.
Open-Beta Vet.
CAPCRO Nomad.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
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JIMvc2
Consolidated Dust
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 17:58:00 -
[69] - Quote
Starlight Burner wrote:This is quite interesting to read... If this holds true and happens without fail, my personal grudge against Cap Acq will change.
I like your idea and hope it all goes well.
I don't have a problem with Cap Acq but I DO have a problem against those Nyan Syan (misspelled) those pricks think they are all badass = NO THEY ARE ******* NOT!!
Why did the white girl cross the road? To get to Starbucks. <-- My GF will kill me if I ask her that lol :)
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Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
5
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Posted - 2015.06.12 18:01:00 -
[70] - Quote
el OPERATOR wrote:
The majority of negative responses in here toward Shepherd on this topic are completely off. The previous Parks and Recreations Project which released land wholesale first-come first-served was an initiative created in part by Shepherd's desire for more, newer, groups to have an avenue into Molden Heath and PC.
Yes, CAP wars. It's a fundamental there. But at the executive level it's not an irresponsible "clone anything that moves" ethic. There is an accountablity litmus at work there also.
The naysayers also need to realize that any effort like this is only partially an effort on the part of the initiators. The greater effort comes from the participants. Those who see an opportunity and can capitalize on it without delving into exploitation or abuse of it. This could be a real good thing for everyone. Provided everyone, as much as can be arranged, can adhere to whatever basic structurals are needed.
Good Luck, Shepherd Grey and all the others who are and who choose to be involved in this. You know you have my support.
Even if we all agree and do this we still have to rely on CCP to fix the incentive in PC...those who know me know I hate relying on others but Ratpat has done good so far..who knows maybe this game still has a chance
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.06.12 18:16:00 -
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This will take effort from the Corps supporting it, and the benefits will go to those that participate. While it may be hard for some of you to picture, most of the PC corps want to see more activity, this is the best way to achieve that..
I have seen some of the smaller corps, H84D, Destiny Immortals, YAMAH, in battles where they just cannot hit the opposition back, this is boring for the team winning, practically torture for those on the losing side, overall bad for PC. So any idea to separate activity into tiers capable of fighting each other is a good one, it just needs support. This proposal offers no real reward for supporting it, but that is the Corps choice, do they want to be part of growing PC, or killing it??
We can point the finger all day at who caused what, the fact is those active in PC can and should make these changes.
Deciding what corps qualify as 'new' will be tricky, some have lasted a while on not got off the ground yet, so while they are technically not new, they may be struggling and they need to battle other teams of their skill level.
Good Luck anyway, DMG will support any solid proposal to get new blood trained into PC. This looks good.
Note: The tiered systems would really help, having corps choose to stick to this will not be easy going, certainly at first.
If CCP Rattati is still stalking this, the best way to have this plan implemented is to make a few changes to MH.
- lower payouts in the 'safezone' systems (OR penalties to payouts for experienced corps attacking them)
- higher payouts in 'warzone' systems, Fittikan/Almur fit this well imo
To stop corps taking an entire region, simply make a change so it is not possible, we've seen 100% aimed for and it didn't do PC any favours bar the fountains of ISK flowing from it, so removing the ability to take entire planets/systems is one option. |
JIMvc2
Consolidated Dust
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 18:22:00 -
[72] - Quote
TheD1CK wrote:This will take effort from the Corps supporting it, and the benefits will go to those that participate. While it may be hard for some of you to picture, most of the PC corps want to see more activity, this is the best way to achieve that..
I have seen some of the smaller corps, H84D, Destiny Immortals, YAMAH, in battles where they just cannot hit the opposition back, this is boring for the team winning, practically torture for those on the losing side, overall bad for PC. So any idea to separate activity into tiers capable of fighting each other is a good one, it just needs support. This proposal offers no real reward for supporting it, but that is the Corps choice, do they want to be part of growing PC, or killing it??
We can point the finger all day at who caused what, the fact is those active in PC can and should make these changes.
Deciding what corps qualify as 'new' will be tricky, some have lasted a while on not got off the ground yet, so while they are technically not new, they may be struggling and they need to battle other teams of their skill level.
Good Luck anyway, DMG will support any solid proposal to get new blood trained into PC. This looks good.
Note: The tiered systems would really help, having corps choose to stick to this will not be easy going, certainly at first.
If CCP Rattati is still stalking this, the best way to have this plan implemented is to make a few changes to MH.
- lower payouts in the 'safezone' systems (OR penalties to payouts for experienced corps attacking them)
- higher payouts in 'warzone' systems, Fittikan/Almur fit this well imo
To stop corps taking an entire region, simply make a change so it is not possible, we've seen 100% aimed for and it didn't do PC any favours bar the fountains of ISK flowing from it, so removing the ability to take entire planets/systems is one option.
I like that last part.
"To stop corps taking an entire region, simply make a change so it is not possible, we've seen 100% aimed for and it didn't do PC any favours bar the fountains of ISK flowing from it, so removing the ability to take entire planets/systems is one option.[/quote]
Or perhaps if a region is controlled why not send notifications to other corps to attack immediately.
I'm not much of a PC player so yea any ideas would help.
Why did the white girl cross the road? To get to Starbucks. <-- My GF will kill me if I ask her that lol :)
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SHERIFF joe arapio
US Border Patrol
204
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Posted - 2015.06.12 18:23:00 -
[73] - Quote
JIMvc2 wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:This is quite interesting to read... If this holds true and happens without fail, my personal grudge against Cap Acq will change.
I like your idea and hope it all goes well. I don't have a problem with Cap Acq but I DO have a problem against those Nyan Syan (misspelled) those pricks think they are all badass = NO THEY ARE ******* NOT!!
If they aren't badazz ...why are you crying about them in this thread for no reason. Get rekt fgt. Please point to where the Nyain's touched you?
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 18:25:00 -
[74] - Quote
Heimdallr69 wrote:
Even if we all agree and do this we still have to rely on CCP to fix the incentive in PC...those who know me know I hate relying on others but Ratpat has done good so far..who knows maybe this game still has a chance
Agreed, nothing that I saw in the last 2 years of tracking PC killed it faster than the pay changes a couple months back. Hell, that bs killed PC and general active playerbase activity. Killing farm exploits was one thing, killing pay overall tho? dumb dumb dumb.
Open-Beta Vet.
CAPCRO Nomad.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
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JIMvc2
Consolidated Dust
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 18:28:00 -
[75] - Quote
SHERIFF joe arapio wrote:JIMvc2 wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:This is quite interesting to read... If this holds true and happens without fail, my personal grudge against Cap Acq will change.
I like your idea and hope it all goes well. I don't have a problem with Cap Acq but I DO have a problem against those Nyan Syan (misspelled) those pricks think they are all badass = NO THEY ARE ******* NOT!! If they aren't badazz ...why are you crying about them in this thread for no reason. Get rekt fgt. Please point to where the Nyain's touched you?
Why don't you go and comment somewhere else. Sick and tired of seeing your stupid name and even your corp name. I bet you don't even play the game since, you love to troll here. Go troll on BuggyField 4 ok. 
Kids will be kids and you acting just like one.
Why did the white girl cross the road? To get to Starbucks. <-- My GF will kill me if I ask her that lol :)
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SHERIFF joe arapio
US Border Patrol
205
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Posted - 2015.06.12 18:41:00 -
[76] - Quote
JIMvc2 wrote:SHERIFF joe arapio wrote:JIMvc2 wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:This is quite interesting to read... If this holds true and happens without fail, my personal grudge against Cap Acq will change.
I like your idea and hope it all goes well. I don't have a problem with Cap Acq but I DO have a problem against those Nyan Syan (misspelled) those pricks think they are all badass = NO THEY ARE ******* NOT!! If they aren't badazz ...why are you crying about them in this thread for no reason. Get rekt fgt. Please point to where the Nyain's touched you? Why don't you go and comment somewhere else. Sick and tired of seeing your stupid name and even your corp name. I bet you don't even play the game since, you love to troll here. Go troll on BuggyField 4 ok. Kids will be kids and you acting just like one.
LOL Oh baby gurl,,did I hurt your feelings again? I am very sorry. You wanna hug it out? Hugs and midol always helps your types. I love playing skylanders swap force or trap team.
Nyains must of reallly pushed your sh!t in good for you to still be crying about it. They have given away so many districts.
Let me guess, you run solo and becuz Nyains run in organized squads and rekt you ,,,you got to QQ like a woman. Well come here darlin,, I got a corner you can go turn tricks on.
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 19:00:00 -
[77] - Quote
SHERIFF joe arapio wrote:JIMvc2 wrote:SHERIFF joe arapio wrote:JIMvc2 wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:This is quite interesting to read... If this holds true and happens without fail, my personal grudge against Cap Acq will change.
I like your idea and hope it all goes well. I don't have a problem with Cap Acq but I DO have a problem against those Nyan Syan (misspelled) those pricks think they are all badass = NO THEY ARE ******* NOT!! If they aren't badazz ...why are you crying about them in this thread for no reason. Get rekt fgt. Please point to where the Nyain's touched you? Why don't you go and comment somewhere else. Sick and tired of seeing your stupid name and even your corp name. I bet you don't even play the game since, you love to troll here. Go troll on BuggyField 4 ok. Kids will be kids and you acting just like one. LOL Oh baby gurl,,did I hurt your feelings again? I am very sorry. You wanna hug it out? Hugs and midol always helps your types. I love playing skylanders swap force or trap team. Nyains must of reallly pushed your sh!t in good for you to still be crying about it. They have given away so many districts. Let me guess, you run solo and becuz Nyains run in organized squads and rekt you ,,,you got to QQ like a woman. Well come here darlin,, I got a corner you can go turn tricks on.
Danger, Will Robinson! Thread derail imminent, change course!
Open-Beta Vet.
CAPCRO Nomad.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
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Tebu Gan
Capital Acquisitions LLC
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 19:01:00 -
[78] - Quote
My god the butt hurt is real in this thread.
Honestly, I never knew that ringers was such a hot topic issue in PC. I had one dude basically screaming at me like it's the most detrimental part of PC over in the PC discussion in the feedback section. And I see a ton here.
With the number of smaller corps involved in PC, are ringers seriously in every battle. Do the top corps really have that many people, that they can ring for smaller corps on a constant basis. I know many have been tied up with the war we had going on.
Am I wrong in assuming that perhaps the butthurt over ringers isn't nearly as bad as some make it out to be. Honestly, is every battle you have ever had in MH nothing but top corp ringers? I've been involved any many PC's over the years, and have never felt ringers were ever an issue.
Yes I've dealt with my fair share of "ringers", but more than anything poor communication, tactics, ect played a larger role in our loss than the people they brought to field. A great FC certainly makes a huge difference, and while Shep is quite the hard ***, he's def one of the best FC's around.
That's where I credit much of many corps success, leadership, in and out of battle. I've seen good teams, crumble, in the absence of their top dog FC. Great players are just one piece of the puzzle, and often times I feel good players play a much smaller part in the overall win, compared to what you have leading.
Honestly, get off the ringer crusade. With the advent of raiding (if done right) whenever new PC comes out, I'm hoping that corps are going to be more involved with their own holdings that they won't have the time to ring out for other battles.
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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SHERIFF joe arapio
US Border Patrol
205
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Posted - 2015.06.12 19:12:00 -
[79] - Quote
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Danger, Will Robinson! Thread derail imminent, change course! [/quote]
Yes, you are right and I apologize. BUT you cant just let gurls run off with the mouth like that.
But I apologize to the OP for the slight derailment
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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REDBACK96USMC
NORTH K0REA
203
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Posted - 2015.06.12 19:20:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:My god the butt hurt is real in this thread.
Honestly, I never knew that ringers was such a hot topic issue in PC. I had one dude basically screaming at me like it's the most detrimental part of PC over in the PC discussion in the feedback section. And I see a ton here.
With the number of smaller corps involved in PC, are ringers seriously in every battle. Do the top corps really have that many people, that they can ring for smaller corps on a constant basis. I know many have been tied up with the war we had going on.
Am I wrong in assuming that perhaps the butthurt over ringers isn't nearly as bad as some make it out to be. Honestly, is every battle you have ever had in MH nothing but top corp ringers? I've been involved any many PC's over the years, and have never felt ringers were ever an issue.
Yes I've dealt with my fair share of "ringers", but more than anything poor communication, tactics, ect played a larger role in our loss than the people they brought to field. A great FC certainly makes a huge difference, and while Shep is quite the hard ***, he's def one of the best FC's around.
That's where I credit much of many corps success, leadership, in and out of battle. I've seen good teams, crumble, in the absence of their top dog FC. Great players are just one piece of the puzzle, and often times I feel good players play a much smaller part in the overall win, compared to what you have leading.
Honestly, get off the ringer crusade. With the advent of raiding (if done right) whenever new PC comes out, I'm hoping that corps are going to be more involved with their own holdings that they won't have the time to ring out for other battles.
You have the luxury of being in one of the Top Corps.
I think where the problem lies is when Said Corp "Holding" a district has maybe one or two people in the PC battle and the rest are "ringers" from other Corps. Yes I have seen this on more than one occasion.
If a Corp cant field at least 75% of their team for their own district, they shouldnt be able to deploy.
A simple mechanic like that in the Warbarge screen shouldn't cause any undue lag or delay and would also add a level of complexity by making Corps pick and choose who rings for them more carefully. Only bring in the guys with skills you really need. (Vehicles/Slayers/Logi etc.)
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LOL KILLZ
LulKlz
185
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Posted - 2015.06.12 19:28:00 -
[81] - Quote
Hell NO!!! I've been shown NO mercy by the Mercs in so called TOP TIER CORPS. So I will thoroughly enjoy returning the favor by taking districts with my Amigos. See you all very,very, soon.
This is not a diss on anybody but I want no handouts. I've worked my way up and saved up so much damn ISK just to be told I'm going to get it for free.
CEO of LulKlz/ chat channel LulKlz, code 0000 <--- numbers
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JIMvc2
Consolidated Dust
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 19:45:00 -
[82] - Quote
LOL KILLZ wrote:Hell NO!!! I've been shown NO mercy by the Mercs in so called TOP TIER CORPS. So I will thoroughly enjoy returning the favor by taking districts with my Amigos. See you all very,very, soon.
This is not a diss on anybody but I want no handouts. I've worked my way up and saved up so much damn ISK just to be told I'm going to get it for free.
I sense Karma will get you. I dont know when but soon. Lol
I miss those days when everyone got 3 million isk for a couple of days until some D!CK HEAD posted it on the fourms. >:/
I hope that happens for LP. Getting 1 million LP for one battle = YES lol
Why did the white girl cross the road? To get to Starbucks. <-- My GF will kill me if I ask her that lol :)
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 19:47:00 -
[83] - Quote
LOL KILLZ wrote:Hell NO!!! I've been shown NO mercy by the Mercs in so called TOP TIER CORPS. So I will thoroughly enjoy returning the favor by taking districts with my Amigos. See you all very,very, soon.
This is not a diss on anybody but I want no handouts. I've worked my way up and saved up so much damn ISK just to be told I'm going to get it for free.
I'll assume this also includes no "handouts" in the form of rules changes that come from CCP/Mr Anderson directly.
You are actually most empowered right now, from what you describe, since just 10M buys you a clonepack you can launch at anywhere, from anywhere, at any time.
So, quit talking and start doing! Molden Heath eagerly awaits you!
Open-Beta Vet.
CAPCRO Nomad.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
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Tebu Gan
Capital Acquisitions LLC
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 19:52:00 -
[84] - Quote
REDBACK96USMC wrote:
You have the luxury of being in one of the Top Corps.
I think where the problem lies is when Said Corp "Holding" a district has maybe one or two people in the PC battle and the rest are "ringers" from other Corps. Yes I have seen this on more than one occasion.
If a Corp cant field at least 75% of their team for their own district, they shouldnt be able to deploy.
A simple mechanic like that in the Warbarge screen shouldn't cause any undue lag or delay and would also add a level of complexity by making Corps pick and choose who rings for them more carefully. Only bring in the guys with skills you really need. (Vehicles/Slayers/Logi etc.)
Yes, a "luxury" of being in a top corp. I've seen these "top corps" falter in battle on more than one occasion. My main point is that your success isn't haltered by ringers but your own mentality. You lose and go about blaming it on the ringers.
These "ringers" aren't gods, don't have unbeatable magic powers, one shot wonder weapons, or any number of other crazy ideas you can come up with. In my time with my other corp, DDB, this was always a hot topic for many in leadership. OMG, they brought OH, these guys can't beat us on their own.
Straight from the git go, the mentality was "oh noes, we have a fight on our hands and not a stomp". If we lost it was always the ringers fault. It wasn't the incredibly poor tactics the FC choose to use or their inability to adapt to the changing environment. Not the players on our side that ran off point to chase down kills or do their own thing at their teams expense.
No, it's those ringers apparently, not a failure on your own corps part. I've watched as a team fielded nearly their own 16, few ringers, and watch as we "magically" lose the battle. What then do you blame it on, are you going to finally admit that it's a failure on your part.
Nope, let's blame it on the ringers they brought in that carried their team.
It's the corps with this mentality of "I can't win, cause ringers. OMG if they fielded their own people we would stomp them" Sometimes yes maybe, if they fielded their own. Many times it easily goes both ways. But the instant ringers come in, everyone gets in this "we lost" mentality.
Lose and learn a little. Use what you observed, determine strengths and weaknesses in your tactics. What they did that beat you, ect, ect, ect. If you can't get over losing to strong ringers, you will always and ever be a small and weak corp. Your PC play will always be sub par.
I would suggest que syncing factional or pubs if you want an easy win or "fair" fight. It's the best you will ever do with your mentality about PC fights. Plenty of pub stompers out there, maybe just accept your team is just one of them if "ringers" are what prevents you from making progress in PC.
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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Z Vatican
Hentai Federation
20
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Posted - 2015.06.12 20:00:00 -
[85] - Quote
I'm the CEO of Hentai Federation.
Of course we're not a big corp. As all we do is randomly attack districts and fool around in PC.
As I was planning to have fun on my first corp PC for fun but turned out to be a legit PC in the end. We were cloned but I had fun.
I grabbed random people who were interested in a fun PC and threw them into battle with me.
This idea is pretty amazing. I love it. To fight people with similar skill would be nice for a PC battle.
I support it :D
CEO of Hentai Fedeartion /
Caldari is Life-
State Peacekeeper-
Enemies of the Gallente
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JIMvc2
Consolidated Dust
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 20:02:00 -
[86] - Quote
Tebu Gan wrote:REDBACK96USMC wrote:
You have the luxury of being in one of the Top Corps.
I think where the problem lies is when Said Corp "Holding" a district has maybe one or two people in the PC battle and the rest are "ringers" from other Corps. Yes I have seen this on more than one occasion.
If a Corp cant field at least 75% of their team for their own district, they shouldnt be able to deploy.
A simple mechanic like that in the Warbarge screen shouldn't cause any undue lag or delay and would also add a level of complexity by making Corps pick and choose who rings for them more carefully. Only bring in the guys with skills you really need. (Vehicles/Slayers/Logi etc.)
Yes, a "luxury" of being in a top corp. I've seen these "top corps" falter in battle on more than one occasion. My main point is that your success isn't haltered by ringers but your own mentality. You lose and go about blaming it on the ringers. These "ringers" aren't gods, don't have unbeatable magic powers, one shot wonder weapons, or any number of other crazy ideas you can come up with. In my time with my other corp, DDB, this was always a hot topic for many in leadership. OMG, they brought OH, these guys can't beat us on their own. Straight from the git go, the mentality was "oh noes, we have a fight on our hands and not a stomp". If we lost it was always the ringers fault. It wasn't the incredibly poor tactics the FC choose to use or their inability to adapt to the changing environment. Not the players on our side that ran off point to chase down kills or do their own thing at their teams expense. No, it's those ringers apparently, not a failure on your own corps part. I've watched as a team fielded nearly their own 16, few ringers, and watch as we "magically" lose the battle. What then do you blame it on, are you going to finally admit that it's a failure on your part. Nope, let's blame it on the ringers they brought in that carried their team. It's the corps with this mentality of "I can't win, cause ringers. OMG if they fielded their own people we would stomp them" Sometimes yes maybe, if they fielded their own. Many times it easily goes both ways. But the instant ringers come in, everyone gets in this "we lost" mentality. Lose and learn a little. Use what you observed, determine strengths and weaknesses in your tactics. What they did that beat you, ect, ect, ect. If you can't get over losing to strong ringers, you will always and ever be a small and weak corp. Your PC play will always be sub par. I would suggest que syncing factional or pubs if you want an easy win or "fair" fight. It's the best you will ever do with your mentality about PC fights. Plenty of pub stompers out there, maybe just accept your team is just one of them if "ringers" are what prevents you from making progress in PC.
^
Amen to this guy.
Why did the white girl cross the road? To get to Starbucks. <-- My GF will kill me if I ask her that lol :)
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Balistyc Farshot
MONSTER SYNERGY
222
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Posted - 2015.06.12 20:07:00 -
[87] - Quote
PC is in shambles due to the ringers farming isk not the entry expense issue.
The CP portion should fix that a bit. Sorry, but CA can't fix this but I am glad to see their CEO has the nuts to come forth and acknowledge that there is a problem and his corp is going to try and clean it up. Applaud him and pity him because he is taking on a lot.
CA - Piece of advice on this though. Don't ever claim to be saints in PC though. Your hands are dirty like everyone else. You are just trying to clean up the mess is the best stance. (IMO)
"Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!"
Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?
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Jade Dragonis
GRIM MERCS
456
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Posted - 2015.06.12 20:24:00 -
[88] - Quote
So basically since PC owning corps can make enough money from broken mechanics they have to get paid to play? lol.....
Oh boy.....
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 20:28:00 -
[89] - Quote
Jade Dragonis wrote:So basically since PC owning corps can make enough money from broken mechanics they have to get paid to play? lol.....
Could you clarify/expand on this? I think I see what you're getting at but am unsure...
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CAPCRO Nomad.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR
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Jade Dragonis
GRIM MERCS
456
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Posted - 2015.06.12 20:31:00 -
[90] - Quote
el OPERATOR wrote:Jade Dragonis wrote:So basically since PC owning corps can make enough money from broken mechanics they have to get paid to play? lol.....
Could you clarify/expand on this? I think I see what you're getting at but am unsure...
With the new mechanics that CCP are bringing in Cap Acc wont be able to hold all the districts they currently hold. By selling them then helping the new corps fight they are still making loads of cash without having to hold the actual district.
This seems a little desperate from them though. But to each his own.
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LOL KILLZ
LulKlz
185
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Posted - 2015.06.12 20:51:00 -
[91] - Quote
el OPERATOR wrote:LOL KILLZ wrote:Hell NO!!! I've been shown NO mercy by the Mercs in so called TOP TIER CORPS. So I will thoroughly enjoy returning the favor by taking districts with my Amigos. See you all very,very, soon.
This is not a diss on anybody but I want no handouts. I've worked my way up and saved up so much damn ISK just to be told I'm going to get it for free. I'll assume this also includes no "handouts" in the form of rules changes that come from CCP/Mr Anderson directly. You are actually most empowered right now, from what you describe, since just 10M buys you a clonepack you can launch at anywhere, from anywhere, at any time. So, quit talking and start doing! Molden Heath eagerly awaits you!
I am not just talking, Me lost my first Attack on a district
I'll have one and I will WIN IT.
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 20:59:00 -
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LOL KILLZ wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:LOL KILLZ wrote:Hell NO!!! I've been shown NO mercy by the Mercs in so called TOP TIER CORPS. So I will thoroughly enjoy returning the favor by taking districts with my Amigos. See you all very,very, soon.
This is not a diss on anybody but I want no handouts. I've worked my way up and saved up so much damn ISK just to be told I'm going to get it for free. I'll assume this also includes no "handouts" in the form of rules changes that come from CCP/Mr Anderson directly. You are actually most empowered right now, from what you describe, since just 10M buys you a clonepack you can launch at anywhere, from anywhere, at any time. So, quit talking and start doing! Molden Heath eagerly awaits you! I am not just talking, Me lost my first Attack on a district I'll have one and I will WIN IT.
Good Man, props to you o7
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Tebu Gan
Capital Acquisitions LLC
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 21:03:00 -
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Jade Dragonis wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Jade Dragonis wrote:So basically since PC owning corps can make enough money from broken mechanics they have to get paid to play? lol.....
Could you clarify/expand on this? I think I see what you're getting at but am unsure... With the new mechanics that CCP are bringing in Cap Acc wont be able to hold all the districts they currently hold. By selling them then helping the new corps fight they are still making loads of cash without having to hold the actual district. This seems a little desperate from them though. But to each his own.
That's actually untrue. We won't gain full benefits from holding more land than we have active players in the corp. Nothing though will change that makes it any different than it is currently. We currently gain no profit from holding all the land we do now, and really we hold more than we could hold if every district was attacked.
Don't expect the new PC changes to make it impossibe to hold large amounts of land. The main jist of it is that it isn't profitable to hold many districts past at point. Considering that it isn't profitable now, what do you think will change, hmm.
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 21:04:00 -
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Jade Dragonis wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Jade Dragonis wrote:So basically since PC owning corps can make enough money from broken mechanics they have to get paid to play? lol.....
Could you clarify/expand on this? I think I see what you're getting at but am unsure... With the new mechanics that CCP are bringing in Cap Acc wont be able to hold all the districts they currently hold. By selling them then helping the new corps fight they are still making loads of cash without having to hold the actual district. This seems a little desperate from them though. But to each his own.
I'm not involved with the internals on this effort so am NO authority on how it will proceed BUT there wasn't anything in the OP about corps purchasing districts to participate. I think the reference to compensation was to existing groups that may need relocation so the areas can be consolidated.
If Shepherd wanted to extort isk from newberries it would've started a loooong time ago.
But, again, I'm not involved in the internals of the whole thing currently and can only comment with an outside perspective based from prior inside experience.
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Jade Dragonis
GRIM MERCS
457
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Posted - 2015.06.12 21:06:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Jade Dragonis wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Jade Dragonis wrote:So basically since PC owning corps can make enough money from broken mechanics they have to get paid to play? lol.....
Could you clarify/expand on this? I think I see what you're getting at but am unsure... With the new mechanics that CCP are bringing in Cap Acc wont be able to hold all the districts they currently hold. By selling them then helping the new corps fight they are still making loads of cash without having to hold the actual district. This seems a little desperate from them though. But to each his own. That's actually untrue. We won't gain full benefits from holding more land than we have active players in the corp. Nothing though will change that makes it any different than it is currently. We currently gain no profit from holding all the land we do now, and really we hold more than we could hold if every district was attacked. Don't expect the new PC changes to make it impossibe to hold large amounts of land. The main jist of it is that it isn't profitable to hold many districts past at point. Considering that it isn't profitable now, what do you think will change, hmm.
This is how profit comes around. get paid to play for smaller corps..... more profitable than holding land since CCP too away the broken mechanics. lol.
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Tebu Gan
Capital Acquisitions LLC
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 21:14:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:Jade Dragonis wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Jade Dragonis wrote:So basically since PC owning corps can make enough money from broken mechanics they have to get paid to play? lol.....
Could you clarify/expand on this? I think I see what you're getting at but am unsure... With the new mechanics that CCP are bringing in Cap Acc wont be able to hold all the districts they currently hold. By selling them then helping the new corps fight they are still making loads of cash without having to hold the actual district. This seems a little desperate from them though. But to each his own. I'm not involved with the internals on this effort so am NO authority on how it will proceed BUT there wasn't anything in the OP about corps purchasing districts to participate. I think the reference to compensation was to existing groups that may need relocation so the areas can be consolidated. If Shepherd wanted to extort isk from newberries it would've started a loooong time ago. But, again, I'm not involved in the internals of the whole thing currently and can only comment with an outside perspective based from prior inside experience.
I would assume myself that this isn't what's happening. We have plenty of isk, why would we need more. Shep has always seemed more interested in the battles, not extorting money from smaller corps for personal gain.
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
No Context
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 21:19:00 -
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Disclaimer: I'm not a PC vet by no means and only offering a barely educated opinion... (Simply put, if you don't like what I have to say STFU)
Sounds like the top 1% is getting board of fighting each other, so how about they form the
Dust Concord Coalition or DCC
It can be a newmeta game allowing top corps to police molded heath as they see fit.
There will be prejudices, favoritism, and maybe perhaps even a little honor. All it would need to begin is for the top 5 powers to form the Security Counsel and they can choose when and if to act.
Corps acting outside of the counsel's preferences may or may not get they're attention and/or motivate them to act. This will add another layer to the metagame for those devious corps to pay off the right people...
And perhaps each of the members of the security counsel can be given over watch of a section of molden Heath. Each member can then have other strong corps who could agree to support the counsels efforts.
"We may have our differences, our wars, and our prejudices, but we must be willing to unite for our common good in these times of need to police our systems because God knows Concord won't."
-some random dumbass-
AKA me
The Top 1% do have the ISK and skills to patrol molden heath, they only need the leaders to orchestrate it. Let's out these "ringers to work as Peace Keepers
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
No Context
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 21:22:00 -
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We could even have a player run election for the Security Counsel positions. The counsel membership could be permanent untile they step down or receive a no confidence vote or something like that.
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 21:22:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:Disclaimer: I'm not a PC vet by no means and only offering a barely educated opinion... (Simply put, if you don't like what I have to say STFU)
Sounds like the top 1% is getting board of fighting each other, so how about they form the
Dust Concord Coalition or DCC
It can be a newmeta game allowing top corps to police molded heath as they see fit.
There will be prejudices, favoritism, and maybe perhaps even a little honor. All it would need to begin is for the top 5 powers to form the Security Counsel and they can choose when and if to act.
Corps acting outside of the counsel's preferences may or may not get they're attention and/or motivate them to act. This will add another layer to the metagame for those devious corps to pay off the right people...
And perhaps each of the members of the security counsel can be given over watch of a section of molden Heath. Each member can then have other strong corps who could agree to support the counsels efforts.
"We may have our differences, our wars, and our prejudices, but we must be willing to unite for our common good in these times of need to police our systems because God knows Concord won't."
-some random dumbass-
AKA me
The Top 1% do have the ISK and skills to patrol molden heath, they only need the leaders to orchestrate it. Let's out these "ringers to work as Peace Keepers
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Bright Steel
Horizons' Edge
No Context
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 21:27:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:Bright Steel wrote:Disclaimer: I'm not a PC vet by no means and only offering a barely educated opinion... (Simply put, if you don't like what I have to say STFU)
Sounds like the top 1% is getting board of fighting each other, so how about they form the
Dust Concord Coalition or DCC
It can be a newmeta game allowing top corps to police molded heath as they see fit.
There will be prejudices, favoritism, and maybe perhaps even a little honor. All it would need to begin is for the top 5 powers to form the Security Counsel and they can choose when and if to act.
Corps acting outside of the counsel's preferences may or may not get they're attention and/or motivate them to act. This will add another layer to the metagame for those devious corps to pay off the right people...
And perhaps each of the members of the security counsel can be given over watch of a section of molden Heath. Each member can then have other strong corps who could agree to support the counsels efforts.
"We may have our differences, our wars, and our prejudices, but we must be willing to unite for our common good in these times of need to police our systems because God knows Concord won't."
-some random dumbass-
AKA me
The Top 1% do have the ISK and skills to patrol molden heath, they only need the leaders to orchestrate it. Let's out these "ringers to work as Peace Keepers Red Meat> Donuts.
For it to work the top corps must be willing to challenge each other but at the same time be willing to have temporary cease fire to address concerns that may require a strong hand. Even if that means several members of the counsel have to slug another member in the jaw for screwing up.
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Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
5
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Posted - 2015.06.12 21:37:00 -
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This is the problem..people are too scared of getting into PC..pay? I never once held a conversation with Shep that talked about people buying districts they've always been free (from Cap) How can you not even try PC yet you have no issues complaining about proto stomps In pubs? Get your ass in gear and take advantage of this..no other era has done this for free so why not at least try it and see how it goes? Changes are needed, will you help or continue to let PC die?
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 21:38:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Jade Dragonis wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Jade Dragonis wrote:So basically since PC owning corps can make enough money from broken mechanics they have to get paid to play? lol.....
Could you clarify/expand on this? I think I see what you're getting at but am unsure... With the new mechanics that CCP are bringing in Cap Acc wont be able to hold all the districts they currently hold. By selling them then helping the new corps fight they are still making loads of cash without having to hold the actual district. This seems a little desperate from them though. But to each his own. I'm not involved with the internals on this effort so am NO authority on how it will proceed BUT there wasn't anything in the OP about corps purchasing districts to participate. I think the reference to compensation was to existing groups that may need relocation so the areas can be consolidated. If Shepherd wanted to extort isk from newberries it would've started a loooong time ago. But, again, I'm not involved in the internals of the whole thing currently and can only comment with an outside perspective based from prior inside experience. I would assume myself that this isn't what's happening. We have plenty of isk, why would we need more. Shep has always seemed more interested in the battles, not extorting money from smaller corps for personal gain.
^That.
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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 21:45:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Bright Steel wrote:Disclaimer: I'm not a PC vet by no means and only offering a barely educated opinion... (Simply put, if you don't like what I have to say STFU)
Sounds like the top 1% is getting board of fighting each other, so how about they form the
Dust Concord Coalition or DCC
It can be a newmeta game allowing top corps to police molded heath as they see fit.
There will be prejudices, favoritism, and maybe perhaps even a little honor. All it would need to begin is for the top 5 powers to form the Security Counsel and they can choose when and if to act.
Corps acting outside of the counsel's preferences may or may not get they're attention and/or motivate them to act. This will add another layer to the metagame for those devious corps to pay off the right people...
And perhaps each of the members of the security counsel can be given over watch of a section of molden Heath. Each member can then have other strong corps who could agree to support the counsels efforts.
"We may have our differences, our wars, and our prejudices, but we must be willing to unite for our common good in these times of need to police our systems because God knows Concord won't."
-some random dumbass-
AKA me
The Top 1% do have the ISK and skills to patrol molden heath, they only need the leaders to orchestrate it. Let's out these "ringers to work as Peace Keepers Red Meat> Donuts. For it to work the top corps must be willing to challenge each other but at the same time be willing to have temporary cease fire to address concerns that may require a strong hand. Even if that means several members of the counsel have to slug another member in the jaw for screwing up.
Generally, what you're describing here, this occurs now and seems to be the sort of thing the OP is after.
Previously what you were describing has been shown historically to be very much a case of Art Imitating Life: The more layers of bureaucracy that exist, the farther from the original intent the results become.
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CAPCRO Nomad.
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Al the destroyer
0uter.Heaven
446
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Posted - 2015.06.12 21:52:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:My god the butt hurt is real in this thread.
Honestly, I never knew that ringers was such a hot topic issue in PC. I had one dude basically screaming at me like it's the most detrimental part of PC over in the PC discussion in the feedback section. And I see a ton here.
With the number of smaller corps involved in PC, are ringers seriously in every battle. Do the top corps really have that many people, that they can ring for smaller corps on a constant basis. I know many have been tied up with the war we had going on.
Am I wrong in assuming that perhaps the butthurt over ringers isn't nearly as bad as some make it out to be. Honestly, is every battle you have ever had in MH nothing but top corp ringers? I've been involved in many PC's over the years, and have never felt ringers were ever an issue.
Yes I've dealt with my fair share of "ringers", but more than anything poor communication, tactics, ect played a larger role in our loss than the people they brought to field. A great FC certainly makes a huge difference, and while Shep is quite the hard ***, he's def one of the best FC's around.
That's where I credit much of many corps success, leadership, in and out of battle. I've seen good teams, crumble, in the absence of their top dog FC. Great players are just one piece of the puzzle, and often times I feel good players play a much smaller part in the overall win, compared to what you have leading.
Honestly, get off the ringer crusade. With the advent of raiding (if done right) whenever new PC comes out, I'm hoping that corps are going to be more involved with their own holdings that they won't have the time to ring out for other battles.
I thought this was a help the newberries to get into and stay in PC thread.
This must be a Get Gud Scrub thread.
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Tebu Gan
Capital Acquisitions LLC
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 22:23:00 -
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Al the destroyer wrote:
I thought this was a help the newberries to get into and stay in PC thread.
This must be a Get Gud Scrub thread.
Understood carry on!
Getting noobs into PC is all and good, and we can easily get them into it. Yet if they lack the drive or desire to do what it takes to hold that land, and give up the first time they see what they perceive as ringers, they clearly demonstrate they lack that desire or drive.
I well and understand that the noobs need a starting place, yet I have trouble believing that ringers magically appear in all the smaller corps PC's. I personally don't see how EVERY battle they ever did was comprised of "TOP CORP" ringers. Too many districts out there for this to hold true.
Even very good teams I've fought for cringed at the sight of ringers, starting this mentality that they are now going to lose because of it. It's pathetic, if you want to be a good and strong corp, then by god fight for it. I don't care if they brought the best team in dust, I'm going to put my full 110% into the fight. Win or lose, I'll come out better from it.
The main point though, if you aren't shooting for the top or giving your best effort, you don't belong. If one were to take a loss as the end, and view it as an impossibility for future because of ringers, then yes, get gud scrub. A strong corp that truly wanted to get a foothold in PC would take a loss, learn from it, and try again. I don't stand for quitters, man up or go home.
Want an easy time of it, PUBS and Factional are there. Want a challenge, then go PC. Learn from your mistakes and improve. We can hold their hands and carry them for a time, but eventually they have to learn to walk on their own. And if they lack the will to do so, then they never deserved it from the start.
If the top corps thought like this, they would have never made it to where they are.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
10
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Posted - 2015.06.12 22:23:00 -
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Props to people like Zaria and the OP who are trying to be the solution, even if the current environment makes it difficult rather than make excuses for the problem like so many others.
I always appreciate the people who PC who try and expand and make it something everyone can be a part of, even if the current mechanics run contrary.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
379
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Posted - 2015.06.12 22:35:00 -
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Hope it works out, but outside of the few who still PC it's rare for people to even run in a squad. Once in a squad most people are just doing random stuff.
With proper incentives and about a year of platoons/team deploy PC, could end up with a decent population.
People don't like getting shot at in this game, I don't think there's any amount of hand holding that can change years of behavior for most of this playerbase. I really hate being pessimistic with mechanics changes and platoon deploy coming, but this playerbase is more suited for tea parties than PC battles. |
Dust User
Horizons' Edge
No Context
2
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Posted - 2015.06.12 22:38:00 -
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Message Cuse Town333 in game for meetings regarding this thread. |
el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 22:44:00 -
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Dust User wrote:Message Cuse Town333 in game for meetings regarding this thread.
The font on this needs to be bigger, IMO
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD
RUST415
912
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Posted - 2015.06.12 23:13:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Before everything else i would like a decent framerate.
I've played 2 PC lately, yesterday, with your corp and the day before with another.
The day before framerate was, not smooth, but acceptable, i could move and see where i was going and shoot stuff.
Yesterday, framerate was ok till i was only with my team, when the first red i saw came on HP, the framerate dropped dramatically.
Then my main concern was to try to move from one point to another without find myself hitting my head against a wall.
Strange fact is that, at least for me, framerate drops only when i'm near a red, while my teammates do not affect it at all, despite friendly fire is enabled, so they are possible targets.
So, imho, the first thing to do is make the mode, playable, then they should make it enjoyable.
This
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Kain Spero
Negative-Feedback
5
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Posted - 2015.06.12 23:34:00 -
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I can attest that Shep has been very helpful in getting folks started in PC lately.
These ideas are well meant but can be hard to pull off. Just takes a flare up of even a small disagreement among some of the key organizers and it all vanishes in a puff of smoke.
On the other topic of discussion I do agree that ringing has become a huge issue in PC. A lot of this is due to the lack of numbers actually in Planetary Conquest right now though. I really do hope we see an uptick in interest in the mode with PC 2.0 but no way to know for sure until it lands.
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Aeon Amadi
Negative-Feedback.
Negative-Feedback
10
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Posted - 2015.06.12 23:35:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Props to people like Zaria and the OP who are trying to be the solution, even if the current environment makes it difficult rather than make excuses for the problem like so many others.
I always appreciate the people who PC who try and expand and make it something everyone can be a part of, even if the current mechanics run contrary.
Great deal of us earned our way into PC through virtual blood, tears, sleepless nights, and long periods of frustration. New Eden is a rough place. What they're doing is commendable, absolutely, but war is hell and there's nothing wrong with "making excuses for the problem". We made it - we're living proof that it can happen.
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Al the destroyer
0uter.Heaven
448
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Posted - 2015.06.12 23:36:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Al the destroyer wrote:
I thought this was a help the newberries to get into and stay in PC thread.
This must be a Get Gud Scrub thread.
Understood carry on!
Getting noobs into PC is all and good, and we can easily get them into it. Yet if they lack the drive or desire to do what it takes to hold that land, and give up the first time they see what they perceive as ringers, they clearly demonstrate they lack that desire or drive. I well and understand that the noobs need a starting place, yet I have trouble believing that ringers magically appear in all the smaller corps PC's. I personally don't see how EVERY battle they ever did was comprised of "TOP CORP" ringers. Too many districts out there for this to hold true. Even very good teams I've fought for cringed at the sight of ringers, starting this mentality that they are now going to lose because of it. It's pathetic, if you want to be a good and strong corp, then by god fight for it. I don't care if they brought the best team in dust, I'm going to put my full 110% into the fight. Win or lose, I'll come out better from it. The main point though, if you aren't shooting for the top or giving your best effort, you don't belong. If one were to take a loss as the end, and view it as an impossibility for future because of ringers, then yes, get gud scrub. A strong corp that truly wanted to get a foothold in PC would take a loss, learn from it, and try again. I don't stand for quitters, man up or go home. Want an easy time of it, PUBS and Factional are there. Want a challenge, then go PC. Learn from your mistakes and improve. We can hold their hands and carry them for a time, but eventually they have to learn to walk on their own. And if they lack the will to do so, then they never deserved it from the start. If the top corps thought like this, they would have never made it to where they are.
As we are both aware, our own corps like to bring our own 16 if we can always. 0.H loves to see ringers on the other side I personally don't care if others bring ringers.
I can't speak for your CORP chat but I can speak for mine. We have a lot of ppl who love to ring and will do so for many who ask.
But if we are talking about noob corp 1 vs noob corp 2 and one of those has 16 of there own and the other has 6 0.H on their team those are going to be tough odds to beat. It can be done but very experienced PC vets in a noob match will be tough to beat.
I do agree however that to get better you have to play better teams. And no there isn't ringers for every battle in MH and if its only the strong survive so be it. Every corp I've been in only fields their own. That's why Cap Aq and 0.H are so strong.
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD
RUST415
914
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Posted - 2015.06.12 23:37:00 -
[114] - Quote
Payouts are too low.
This isn't an issue of will or won't so much as it is can or can't.
Some players can play PC just fine with no framerate issues. Some (me) can't. I would go back to 10 mil SP if i could just not be running in molasses when I played. I would give all my isk, play with one hand, and one eye for some clean gameplay.
I still fight regularly now, I have no idea why, and do the best I can against really good players. Most players have better common sense than me?!
The payouts in this game, in pubs, factional, and PC, are too low. It has been blatantly evident because CCP has lowered the prices on gear and weapons, added isk to factional warfare, and lowered PC clone packs. Bandades on bullet wounds imo.
I'd be willing to bet anything that if players new they could afford to fight consistant they would. In the pubs most fights are still not 16 v 16, payouts for the effort put in doesn't match, and players are finding more ways to camp than they are to attack. Not saying there should be endless isk, but for crying out loud mercs are on welfare lol?!
In this game currently if you want to make isk you gotta basically camp while the blues die. If i have to play this way I'd rather not play.... this might shed some light on the low playerbase?!
Low isk+low framerate=low interest in the game.
This isn't your problem shep, it's CCP's. I can appreciate all of the guys who have come up with plans to make PC better through the years, but you guys aren't on the payroll. It's unfair, and plain lazy for CCP, who gets paid, to basically let you guys do the leg work of the devs. You should just be able to play the game, prosper, and for the love of everything holy, not lag?!
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Al the destroyer
0uter.Heaven
449
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Posted - 2015.06.12 23:50:00 -
[115] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Props to people like Zaria and the OP who are trying to be the solution, even if the current environment makes it difficult rather than make excuses for the problem like so many others.
I always appreciate the people who PC who try and expand and make it something everyone can be a part of, even if the current mechanics run contrary. Great deal of us earned our way into PC through virtual blood, tears, sleepless nights, and long periods of frustration. New Eden is a rough place. What they're doing is commendable, absolutely, but war is hell and there's nothing wrong with "making excuses for the problem". We made it - we're living proof that it can happen.
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Shepherd Grey
Capital Acquisitions LLC
571
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Posted - 2015.06.12 23:53:00 -
[116] - Quote
I will attempt to address the concerns raised since my last post as best as I can.
Since we have removed the fact that this isn't a political move with ISK motivation, the accusation diverts to some sort of PR "save face". I am still unclear as to where your misguided prejudice towards me derives from, considering we have never formally/personally interacted in any form or fashion whatsoever prior to this date. Simple as this: I have zero to gain from you being happy with what my organization or I do. To say that pursuing public approval from a video game population is somehow my goal is a complete farce, and you should contemplate the actual purpose of your statements. Rather, point out the possible faults within the system to assist in creating one with practicality.
Ringer usage can't be avoided, but inhibited. Lower the reward for ringers in lower tier zones, lower the chance of seeing them. In its current state, PC payouts are really what the lower tier should be - as there is almost no profit margin for proto users. With this low payout setup, low-tier teams will be encouraged to use proto sparingly and instead focus on tactics and teamwork as they battle each other to improve their overall skill. You simply can't remove the merc aspect of the game, but make it less lucrative for top guys to participate in low-tier affairs.
We had to play the same game, beating a team twice and then getting stomped by 15-man ring teams on the third battle for the flip -- essentially making our efforts a complete waste of time. But, these experiences actually improved us as a team to be more prepared the next time that same team shows up. Using ringers against you is a nod to the skill YOU have as a team, and you should take it as a compliment they have to rely on help to win in the first place.
This proposed "Security Counsel" aka "Player-controlled CONCORD" is pretty much what's been going on this entire time. However, it has been abused in the past or completely neglected altogether at the detriment of smaller or less experienced corps. Nevertheless, it is still the case that those at the top essentially police MH in what way they see fit. I can say, that those I communicate with on a daily basis that have the power to manipulate MH have no apparent desire to do so in a malicious manner that benefits them.
Thanks for the feedback so far, keep it up |
Tebu Gan
Capital Acquisitions LLC
1
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Posted - 2015.06.12 23:55:00 -
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Al the destroyer wrote:As we are both aware, our own corps like to bring our own 16 if we can always. 0.H loves to see ringers on the other side I personally don't care if others bring ringers. I can't speak for your CORP chat but I can speak for mine. We have a lot of ppl who love to ring and will do so for many who ask. But if we are talking about noob corp 1 vs noob corp 2 and one of those has 16 of there own and the other has 6 0.H on their team those are going to be tough odds to beat. It can be done but very experienced PC vets in a noob match will be tough to beat. I do agree however that to get better you have to play better teams. And no there isn't ringers for every battle in MH and if its only the strong survive so be it. Every corp I've been in only fields their own. That's why Cap Aq and 0.H are so strong. o7
It just frustrates me when people blame the stagnation or inability to enjoy on ringers. Too many simply give up, and don't even try. I mean I've seen a team of awesome players lose with the lack of a quality FC. Take the same team and throw in good FC and it totally changes.
We can carebear the players newer to PC, but there's certainly nothing we can do about poor organization or leadership. No amount of carebearing (in fact it would be detrimental) would fix that. I'm totally for getting them started, yet eventually they have to learn to walk on their own.
In the end, if only corps members were allowed to participate in a battle, what stops a corp from hiring out stronger corps to take their district back for them. Or simply wiping them off the map. Should we make it then that only a weaker corp can attack a weaker corp. Tier out molden heath maybe, so you will ever have an easy time of it or a fair fight.
Considering the spirit of new eden continues to translate to Dust 514, this would never happen. And honestly, unless you matchmade PC matches, there will always be an imbalance for skill much like we had before the matchmaking for pubs. Ringing is most certainly NOT the problem.
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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Tebu Gan
Capital Acquisitions LLC
1
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Posted - 2015.06.13 00:01:00 -
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Shepherd Grey wrote:
We had to play the same game, beating a team twice and then getting stomped by 15-man ring teams on the third battle for the flip -- essentially making our efforts a complete waste of time. But, these experiences actually improved us as a team to be more prepared the next time that same team shows up. Using ringers against you is a nod to the skill YOU have as a team, and you should take it as a compliment they have to rely on help to win in the first place.
Love it, you put it perfectly. A team that has to use ringers to beat you are clearly a bad team. It should give you incentive to keep trying.
Shepherd Grey wrote:
Ringer usage can't be avoided, but inhibited. Lower the reward for ringers in lower tier zones, lower the chance of seeing them. In its current state, PC payouts are really what the lower tier should be - as there is almost no profit margin for proto users. With this low payout setup, low-tier teams will be encouraged to use proto sparingly and instead focus on tactics and teamwork as they battle each other to improve their overall skill. You simply can't remove the merc aspect of the game, but make it less lucrative for top guys to participate in low-tier affairs.
I'm hoping with PC 2.0 that raiding will take care of some of this. Keep the ringers too busy with their own battles to ring out for others. More conflict I think is actually very good for the newer corps getting in.
Nothing stopping corps though from paying out ringers to fight their battles. Maybe if CP was tied into not only your corps mission contributions but though actual PC battle contributions, the incentive would be there to play your own corp (as only they can generate CP though battle) more often if you want any profit from PC.
Tanks - Balancing Turrets
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Al the destroyer
0uter.Heaven
449
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Posted - 2015.06.13 00:07:00 -
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Shep, I think you should start an FC school for noob FCs. I'd be willing to bet they would learn some things lol. |
thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
381
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Posted - 2015.06.13 00:13:00 -
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Al the destroyer wrote:Tebu Gan wrote:Al the destroyer wrote:
I thought this was a help the newberries to get into and stay in PC thread.
This must be a Get Gud Scrub thread.
Understood carry on!
Getting noobs into PC is all and good, and we can easily get them into it. Yet if they lack the drive or desire to do what it takes to hold that land, and give up the first time they see what they perceive as ringers, they clearly demonstrate they lack that desire or drive. I well and understand that the noobs need a starting place, yet I have trouble believing that ringers magically appear in all the smaller corps PC's. I personally don't see how EVERY battle they ever did was comprised of "TOP CORP" ringers. Too many districts out there for this to hold true. Even very good teams I've fought for cringed at the sight of ringers, starting this mentality that they are now going to lose because of it. It's pathetic, if you want to be a good and strong corp, then by god fight for it. I don't care if they brought the best team in dust, I'm going to put my full 110% into the fight. Win or lose, I'll come out better from it. The main point though, if you aren't shooting for the top or giving your best effort, you don't belong. If one were to take a loss as the end, and view it as an impossibility for future because of ringers, then yes, get gud scrub. A strong corp that truly wanted to get a foothold in PC would take a loss, learn from it, and try again. I don't stand for quitters, man up or go home. Want an easy time of it, PUBS and Factional are there. Want a challenge, then go PC. Learn from your mistakes and improve. We can hold their hands and carry them for a time, but eventually they have to learn to walk on their own. And if they lack the will to do so, then they never deserved it from the start. If the top corps thought like this, they would have never made it to where they are. As we are both aware, our own corps like to bring our own 16 if we can always. 0.H loves to see ringers on the other side I personally don't care if others bring ringers. I can't speak for your CORP chat but I can speak for mine. We have a lot of ppl who love to ring and will do so for many who ask. But if we are talking about noob corp 1 vs noob corp 2 and one of those has 16 of there own and the other has 6 0.H on their team those are going to be tough odds to beat. It can be done but very experienced PC vets in a noob match will be tough to beat. I do agree however that to get better you have to play better teams. And no there isn't ringers for every battle in MH and if its only the strong survive so be it. Every corp I've been in only fields their own. That's why Cap Aq and 0.H are so strong. o7
I had no idea that Cap and OH still have their original rosters from back in the day. I would have guessed that most current PC corps are made up of many players from the dozens of corps that imploded over the years.
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Dzago Sevatarion
DUST University
Ivy League
18
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Posted - 2015.06.13 00:13:00 -
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LLCs don't have to appoint officers, which is part of their attractiveness in the current business climate, so when one does it's demonstrative of people wanting to go above and beyond the bare minimum. |
thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
381
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Posted - 2015.06.13 00:20:00 -
[122] - Quote
Al the destroyer wrote:Shep, I think you should start an FC school for noob FCs. I'd be willing to bet they would learn some things lol.
I used to say this before.
In the army when you deploy into an area there's a transition with the unit that's currently operating there. They call it "right seat ride", where you go on missions together to pass down the intricacies of the area of operation.
Tell a CEO how you want two squads composed and then you bring in a vet squad with an FC to go into a battle. Do an after action critique, rinse and repeat.
Then I'd have a few of the key players play with the vet group in a PC to see how it all comes together. |
thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
381
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Posted - 2015.06.13 00:39:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:Al the destroyer wrote:As we are both aware, our own corps like to bring our own 16 if we can always. 0.H loves to see ringers on the other side I personally don't care if others bring ringers. I can't speak for your CORP chat but I can speak for mine. We have a lot of ppl who love to ring and will do so for many who ask. But if we are talking about noob corp 1 vs noob corp 2 and one of those has 16 of there own and the other has 6 0.H on their team those are going to be tough odds to beat. It can be done but very experienced PC vets in a noob match will be tough to beat. I do agree however that to get better you have to play better teams. And no there isn't ringers for every battle in MH and if its only the strong survive so be it. Every corp I've been in only fields their own. That's why Cap Aq and 0.H are so strong. o7 It just frustrates me when people blame the stagnation or inability to enjoy on ringers. Too many simply give up, and don't even try. I mean I've seen a team of awesome players lose with the lack of a quality FC. Take the same team and throw in good FC and it totally changes. We can carebear the players newer to PC, but there's certainly nothing we can do about poor organization or leadership. No amount of carebearing (in fact it would be detrimental) would fix that. I'm totally for getting them started, yet eventually they have to learn to walk on their own. In the end, if only corps members were allowed to participate in a battle, what stops a corp from hiring out stronger corps to take their district back for them. Or simply wiping them off the map. Should we make it then that only a weaker corp can attack a weaker corp. Tier out molden heath maybe, so you will ever have an easy time of it or a fair fight. Considering the spirit of new eden continues to translate to Dust 514, this would never happen. And honestly, unless you matchmade PC matches, there will always be an imbalance for skill much like we had before the matchmaking for pubs. Ringing is most certainly NOT the problem.
You can't fix PC until you address the problems with player behavior and incentives to win pub matches. People don't have the nerve to take an objective in a pub match, but they are going to become hyper competitive FCs?
I've probably written something to that effect on these forums a few thousand times.
Step 1- get people to use better gear when faced with a tough opponent instead of the other way around
Step 2- get people to squad up and work together.
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Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
5
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Posted - 2015.06.13 00:59:00 -
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http://youtu.be/dGkU8jP4ixI
The days of hardcore tear jerking epeen stroking are gone..the new pool of players are nothing like we were, they need all the help they can get... Thank you Shep
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SOGZ PANDA
WarRavens
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Posted - 2015.06.13 01:12:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:DEATH SURRONDS wrote:0uter.Heaven stands behind this idea and will help protect new Corps Because you guys are so great at that OH isn't exactly known for being true to their word, lol. You guys kinda got a reputation for being wishy-washy and shady when it comes to politics. But, yanno, Jack Sparrow said it best: "-a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest. Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for, because you can never predict when they're going to do something incredibly... stupid." Do you even PC? where did that even come from? Yes, I PC. I PC quite a bit in the past (multiple wars, mercenary work, etc) but since joining NF I've sort of trailed off the PC end of things because we're mostly mercenaries who work for pay and... Well, work isn't exactly bustling at the moment Where does that come from? A long standing history of watching OH attack corporations in their own alliance and other corporations completely out of the blue O.o;
If there is anyone I wouldn't ask if he even pc's. It's Aeon Amadi lol
Done waaayyy too many pc's with him on the same team and on the opposition.
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Luther Mandrix
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
RUST415
590
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Posted - 2015.06.13 01:16:00 -
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Yokal Bob wrote:Honestly, I think that as ringers are so widely used, it is pointless. Say you gave A a district, B goes to fight thinking they are of similr calibre. A hires PC veterans, B brings its own players and loses. So not a fair fight, nor honest. Or, another scenario, you give A a district, other big corp goes oh easy fight, takes.
The ringer mechanic has broken PC, the low playerbase has left PC broken. Certain players e-peens have left PC broken
Pointless in my opinion
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SHERIFF joe arapio
US Border Patrol
208
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Posted - 2015.06.13 02:40:00 -
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Shepherd Grey wrote:I will attempt to address the concerns raised since my last post as best as I can.
Since we have removed the fact that this isn't a political move with ISK motivation, the accusation diverts to some sort of PR "save face". I am still unclear as to where your misguided prejudice towards me derives from, considering we have never formally/personally interacted in any form or fashion whatsoever prior to this date. Simple as this: I have zero to gain from you being happy with what my organization or I do. To say that pursuing public approval from a video game population is somehow my goal is a complete farce, and you should contemplate the actual purpose of your statements. Rather, point out the possible faults within the system to assist in creating one with practicality.
Ringer usage can't be avoided, but inhibited. Lower the reward for ringers in lower tier zones, lower the chance of seeing them. In its current state, PC payouts are really what the lower tier should be - as there is almost no profit margin for proto users. With this low payout setup, low-tier teams will be encouraged to use proto sparingly and instead focus on tactics and teamwork as they battle each other to improve their overall skill. You simply can't remove the merc aspect of the game, but make it less lucrative for top guys to participate in low-tier affairs.
We had to play the same game, beating a team twice and then getting stomped by 15-man ring teams on the third battle for the flip -- essentially making our efforts a complete waste of time. But, these experiences actually improved us as a team to be more prepared the next time that same team shows up. Using ringers against you is a nod to the skill YOU have as a team, and you should take it as a compliment they have to rely on help to win in the first place.
This proposed "Security Counsel" aka "Player-controlled CONCORD" is pretty much what's been going on this entire time. However, it has been abused in the past or completely neglected altogether at the detriment of smaller or less experienced corps. Nevertheless, it is still the case that those at the top essentially police MH in what way they see fit. I can say, that those I communicate with on a daily basis that have the power to manipulate MH have no apparent desire to do so in a malicious manner that benefits them.
Thanks for the feedback so far, keep it up
Who is going to be the governing bodies on this new improved CBM? Will this new program eradicate the CBM and single man corps owning districts? Are the billboards coming down?
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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Leither Yiltron
Molon Labe.
RUST415
1
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Posted - 2015.06.13 03:06:00 -
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thor424 wrote:Al the destroyer wrote:Shep, I think you should start an FC school for noob FCs. I'd be willing to bet they would learn some things lol. I used to say this before. In the army when you deploy into an area there's a transition with the unit that's currently operating there. They call it "right seat ride", where you go on missions together to pass down the intricacies of the area of operation. Tell a CEO how you want two squads composed and then you bring in a vet squad with an FC to go into a battle. Do an after action critique, rinse and repeat. Then I'd have a few of the key players play with the vet group in a PC to see how it all comes together.
This is the only real way to help people off the ground, but:
- It takes serious effort
- The newer corp seems to take insult to it a bunch in my experience
- Nobody has really ever pulled it off
Long term roadmap by Aeon Amadi
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thor424
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
384
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Posted - 2015.06.13 03:46:00 -
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Luther Mandrix wrote:Yokal Bob wrote:Honestly, I think that as ringers are so widely used, it is pointless. Say you gave A a district, B goes to fight thinking they are of similr calibre. A hires PC veterans, B brings its own players and loses. So not a fair fight, nor honest. Or, another scenario, you give A a district, other big corp goes oh easy fight, takes.
The ringer mechanic has broken PC, the low playerbase has left PC broken. Certain players e-peens have left PC broken
Pointless in my opinion Alliance Corps should not be called Ringers! In a Alliance many little Corps Work for the Good of the Alliance. We are a Team and we still retain our identity of our small Corps that we have created years ago,We are not willing to leave and join Mega Corps just to attain the SIZE to fight in PC 2.0
It's smarter in the upcoming system to merge. With activity you'd earn CP to attack and clone packs will be cheap. |
Silver Strike44
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Posted - 2015.06.13 05:26:00 -
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Al the destroyer wrote:Shep, I think you should start an FC school for noob FCs. I'd be willing to bet they would learn some things lol.
I know its not the complete picture, but I have plenty of matches on my channel where Shep FCs.
My YouTube Channel
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Al the destroyer
0uter.Heaven
454
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Posted - 2015.06.13 06:42:00 -
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Silver Strike44 wrote:Al the destroyer wrote:Shep, I think you should start an FC school for noob FCs. I'd be willing to bet they would learn some things lol. I know its not the complete picture, but I have plenty of matches on my channel where Shep FCs.
Yea I've watched others whom want to get into PC should as well! |
Luther Mandrix
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
RUST415
591
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Posted - 2015.06.13 09:27:00 -
[132] - Quote
thor424 wrote:Luther Mandrix wrote:Yokal Bob wrote:Honestly, I think that as ringers are so widely used, it is pointless. Say you gave A a district, B goes to fight thinking they are of similr calibre. A hires PC veterans, B brings its own players and loses. So not a fair fight, nor honest. Or, another scenario, you give A a district, other big corp goes oh easy fight, takes.
The ringer mechanic has broken PC, the low playerbase has left PC broken. Certain players e-peens have left PC broken
Pointless in my opinion Alliance Corps should not be called Ringers! In a Alliance many little Corps Work for the Good of the Alliance. We are a Team and we still retain our identity of our small Corps that we have created years ago,We are not willing to leave and join Mega Corps just to attain the SIZE to fight in PC 2.0 It's smarter in the upcoming system to merge. With activity you'd earn CP to attack and clone packs will be cheap.
Hope CCP hears this because we are not merging. |
Greiv Rabbah
ROGUE RELICS
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4lbert Wesker wrote:These Capital tryhards took Mithril Forge last 2 districts so yeah,noone likes you and your band of tryhards. But it doesn't matter,you will lose all when PC version of Dust comes out.And then my dear gentlemen,you will face true terror of mouse and keyboard veterans like myself and there will be no Minmatard strafing that will save you from the eyes and reflex of a true PC user :) Every scrub is afraid of that,and 5that's why they want it to be moved on PS4...
lol... you know dust uses mouse and keyboard, right?
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DEATH SURRONDS
0uter.Heaven
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The billboards have already came down |
DUST Fiend
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Posted - 2015.06.14 18:19:00 -
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Someone tries to help stimulate the community and make the game even remotely worth playing, and you all jump on him like a pack of rabid dogs.
Well, at least it's nice to know that some things never change
This thread is now a dance party
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Void Echo
Helix Terrestrial Operations LLC
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Posted - 2015.06.14 18:38:00 -
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Separation each constellation in hm for tiered pc systems is a bad idea, if mh wasn't the only region CCP opened up for us then it would work the same as eve with high sec, low sec and nul sec. But with only 1 region available it shouldn't be that condenced.
One point is this: how does one determine the tier level of a corp? How does one determine whether or not that corp is ready for the next level, when they have all the district in the constellation? How does one determine when and where the next level is?
All these questions and a few more are really keeping hm from this and quite frankly it's a good thing, only having one region for pc would make Shepards plan a nightmare. With multiple regions opened up then we would have a system that fully supports it.
Closed Beta Vet.
Founder of Helix Order.
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CeeJ Mantis
Mantodea MC
198
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Posted - 2015.06.15 00:27:00 -
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Honestly, I think the main problem is reception. I've toyed with the idea of entering my corp into PC, and the 1 major concern is not the ringers, or even the costs, it's the fact that you see the squads of established PC corps in pubs, and many of them are just bastards to fight against. Camping uplinks, people exploiting broken/unbalance mechanics, hard to fight against packs of FotM. All I can think is that my corp made up of my friends would love to test our mettle against these corps, but if we can't just run the fun fits we made, and instead have to run full anti-frustrating-tactics fits, it quickly looses its appeal. I'd much rather avoid the stress of fighting a large, talent pooling group of people with functionally unlimited money, doing stuff that makes them unfun to fight against. No point when even if I win a district, and even if I can defend it every day when I don't have the billions of isk to hire alliance ringers/purchase clone packs. I'll stick to running pubs with my friends, with the occasional FW to mix it up.
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Balistyc Farshot
MONSTER SYNERGY
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Posted - 2015.06.15 14:45:00 -
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Silver Strike44 wrote:Al the destroyer wrote:Shep, I think you should start an FC school for noob FCs. I'd be willing to bet they would learn some things lol. I know its not the complete picture, but I have plenty of matches on my channel where Shep FCs.
I think this would be a step in the correct direction. As a past FC I can tell you it is a hard thankless job. You spend tons of time on your mini map and still have to fight and direct 3 squads of people. Whenever things hit the fan, you have to turn into the ahole who yells at everyone to shut-up and give intelligent information over comms.
People talk about FW training but that is almost impossible because usually you steam roll the other team and learn so little about a real PC battle where you may be fighting out of one CRU.
I miss PFC a little for training and I think CCP should read this demand for training. That is where I learned the most about how to counter some steep odds with less mercs.
"Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!"
Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Back and Forth
8
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CeeJ Mantis wrote:Honestly, I think the main problem is reception. I've toyed with the idea of entering my corp into PC, and the 1 major concern is not the ringers, or even the costs, it's the fact that you see the squads of established PC corps in pubs, and many of them are just bastards to fight against. Camping uplinks, people exploiting broken/unbalance mechanics, hard to fight against packs of FotM. All I can think is that my corp made up of my friends would love to test our mettle against these corps, but if we can't just run the fun fits we made, and instead have to run full anti-frustrating-tactics fits, it quickly looses its appeal. I'd much rather avoid the stress of fighting a large, talent pooling group of people with functionally unlimited money, doing stuff that makes them unfun to fight against. No point when even if I win a district, and even if I can defend it every day when I don't have the billions of isk to hire alliance ringers/purchase clone packs. I'll stick to running pubs with my friends, with the occasional FW to mix it up.
Well then PC simply is not for you guys. It's not about running around doing silly things. its about playing to get the win.
Vote Viktor Hadah for CPM2 or i'll hurt you.
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Luna McDuffing
COALICION LATINA
Smart Deploy
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Capital Inquisitions idea of having a newb corp solar system is not a bad one. A while back Pc used to be 50m. for many people this was too expensive especially when you kept getting attacked by top corps. Even if you didnt lose your district there was no payout so they just wore you out. Now with the 10m entry fee and reward for what you kill PCs are definitrly viable for everybody. For that price and reward people are willing to take a chance because it no longer feels like a potential lost. If on top of that you give the younger corps a district then they will try to defend it or even launch an attact of their own by moving clones and thus not spending the 10m. Nothing motivates an individual more than the threat of loosing something. Given them a district and they will fight to keep it. And if they cant then at least they wil become better players.
At the end of the day this idea of having a reserved solar system works on the honor system. We cant expect everybody to play along. All we can do is keep our end of the bargain and do our part to defend this idea.
Some corps do have some level of honor even if a small one.
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Balistyc Farshot
MONSTER SYNERGY
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Posted - 2015.06.15 15:50:00 -
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Here are 2 PR points that you OH and CA guys don't seem to get. I keep seeing venom in the responses as an indicator.
1. Stop talking about ringers.
- Everyone who was in PCs during some of the worst times has terrible experience with the billboard corps bringing in 14 ringers for the smash, being farmed, or having ringers from like allied or like corps **** people off. I saw more people leave corps due to ringing or leveraging ringers than any other driving force.
- You don't know the problem from where you are. Just be quiet about this issue. It is an issue or everyone wouldn't be so fing mad about it. Just acknowledge it is a problem, mention how it is less prevalent now (it is), and don't brow beat people for suffering from it.
- If you don't get this point then come meet me in any COD and I will ride you all day and you tell me if you hate my guts because I use exploits like crazy.
2. Focus on this being brand new. New corps don't see the past as rosy.
- The past exploits of the CBM is full of corruption.
- Focus on this being your new legacy and drive home how this is a new day and you are marshaling in the next era of PC with the top position driving for a new player controlled PC.
- You won't win districts for everyone, but you will start off as many "New" corps as you can into PC is the message.
- Your previous message about you gaining nothing is a good start but people will mistrust that post. Focus on why you are doing this. Everyone has motives. I think if you talked about them that would tell everyone see where you are coming from.
PC is an empty battlefield lately and this saddens you
Your corp has a bad rap just like Nyain San used to and you want to be better than that
Dust is losing player base and you have vested lots into the game and want to retain people in PC
Just a couple of suggestions. Like I said before, I support this movement but it requires new corps to risk everything (A few bad fights could burn out members and then the corp folds) on a benefactor they don't necessarily know. You are giving out district you don't even fight on so it costs you so very little. Think of new corps perspective.
"Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!"
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Back and Forth
8
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Posted - 2015.06.15 15:56:00 -
[142] - Quote
Balistyc Farshot wrote:Here are 2 PR points that you OH and CA guys don't seem to get. I keep seeing venom in the responses as an indicator.
1. Stop talking about ringers.
- Everyone who was in PCs during some of the worst times has terrible experience with the billboard corps bringing in 14 ringers for the smash, being farmed, or having ringers from like allied or like corps **** people off. I saw more people leave corps due to ringing or leveraging ringers than any other driving force.
- You don't know the problem from where you are. Just be quiet about this issue. It is an issue or everyone wouldn't be so fing mad about it. Just acknowledge it is a problem, mention how it is less prevalent now (it is), and don't brow beat people for suffering from it.
- If you don't get this point then come meet me in any COD and I will ride you all day and you tell me if you hate my guts because I use exploits like crazy.
2. Focus on this being brand new. New corps don't see the past as rosy.
- The past exploits of the CBM is full of corruption.
- Focus on this being your new legacy and drive home how this is a new day and you are marshaling in the next era of PC with the top position driving for a new player controlled PC.
- You won't win districts for everyone, but you will start off as many "New" corps as you can into PC is the message.
- Your previous message about you gaining nothing is a good start but people will mistrust that post. Focus on why you are doing this. Everyone has motives. I think if you talked about them that would tell everyone see where you are coming from.
PC is an empty battlefield lately and this saddens you
Your corp has a bad rap just like Nyain San used to and you want to be better than that
Dust is losing player base and you have vested lots into the game and want to retain people in PC
Just a couple of suggestions. Like I said before, I support this movement but it requires new corps to risk everything (A few bad fights could burn out members and then the corp folds) on a benefactor they don't necessarily know. You are giving out district you don't even fight on so it costs you so very little. Think of new corps perspective.
Can you give some examples where the CBM came after the districts of legit PC corps not ones that were just there just to farm ISK and not participate in PC in any other way?
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Balistyc Farshot
MONSTER SYNERGY
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Posted - 2015.06.15 17:39:00 -
[143] - Quote
Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Balistyc Farshot wrote:Here are 2 PR points that you OH and CA guys don't seem to get. I keep seeing venom in the responses as an indicator.
1. Stop talking about ringers.
- Everyone who was in PCs during some of the worst times has terrible experience with the billboard corps bringing in 14 ringers for the smash, being farmed, or having ringers from like allied or like corps **** people off. I saw more people leave corps due to ringing or leveraging ringers than any other driving force.
- You don't know the problem from where you are. Just be quiet about this issue. It is an issue or everyone wouldn't be so fing mad about it. Just acknowledge it is a problem, mention how it is less prevalent now (it is), and don't brow beat people for suffering from it.
- If you don't get this point then come meet me in any COD and I will ride you all day and you tell me if you hate my guts because I use exploits like crazy.
2. Focus on this being brand new. New corps don't see the past as rosy.
- The past exploits of the CBM is full of corruption.
- Focus on this being your new legacy and drive home how this is a new day and you are marshaling in the next era of PC with the top position driving for a new player controlled PC.
- You won't win districts for everyone, but you will start off as many "New" corps as you can into PC is the message.
- Your previous message about you gaining nothing is a good start but people will mistrust that post. Focus on why you are doing this. Everyone has motives. I think if you talked about them that would tell everyone see where you are coming from.
PC is an empty battlefield lately and this saddens you
Your corp has a bad rap just like Nyain San used to and you want to be better than that
Dust is losing player base and you have vested lots into the game and want to retain people in PC
Just a couple of suggestions. Like I said before, I support this movement but it requires new corps to risk everything (A few bad fights could burn out members and then the corp folds) on a benefactor they don't necessarily know. You are giving out district you don't even fight on so it costs you so very little. Think of new corps perspective.
Can you give some examples where the CBM was corrupt. Also if you think the CBM was made to help PC it was not. CBM was made after a late night PC and a group of friends decided to have some fun. We never intended to actually do anything serious. After a while people started asking for help doing some stuff so we did what we could to make a good mix of philanthropy along side having fun so it would not be completely boring for us. Also second question what did the CBM set out to do and how did they fail. Because if you are comparing what shep is doing to what the CBM did you are off base on a few things.
Viktor - Sorry to call the CBM corrupt.
I never saw a charter for the CBM but I do know from some of my friend's corps I used to help (Not giving names) that they would fight against a corp who instigated a fight, then be beaten down after violating the last district policy while avenging same said offense performed by the corp.
I was told the last district rule was started by the CBM and the enforcement is as always political. All politics involve some people lying and exploiting facts, hence my corruption correlation.
There may be exceptions and probably good intentions that were involved. This is a game of battle and some perception is spread through people being angry they lost. There were other comments earlier about the CBM not being effective in the thread you did not respond to.
Just curious why you called out mine? My statement wasn't even made for you but discussing general perceptions and helping top corps with PR.
If I am at all wrong this was my ignorance entirely. But I know my view is a bit of the shared perception. The CBM has never harmed me directly. If the CBM was trying to police PC, like I hear it was trying to perform, then it would be considered failing right? Dude, you told another corp they shouldn't PC because they don't try super hard and you can't take a little failure comment. If you become a CPM be careful. Those guys received some serious flaming at times. Like character attacks.
"Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!"
Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?
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Holliticus Randle
D3ATH CARD
RUST415
8
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Posted - 2015.06.16 01:32:00 -
[144] - Quote
No D3ATH CARD is not sipping this Juice. Its all bogus. A lot of the corps supporting this initiative have spent so much time dishing out their superiority in this game that it comes as a surprise all of a sudden that they are getting a taste of their own medicine and they donGÇÖt like it. We have this bogus PR campaign against RUST 415 alliance accusing us of things that a lot of you who are pushing this new initiative now have been guilty of for a very , very long time. We are not sipping that juice.
D3ATH CARD will not be entertaining this initiative until we feel it can show some legitimate staying power. Cause all of the others have failed miserably. I recommend everyone spend time with the new changes in PC which will be introduced by CCP before even entertaining this initiative.
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CeeJ Mantis
Mantodea MC
199
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Posted - 2015.06.16 01:41:00 -
[145] - Quote
Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:CeeJ Mantis wrote:Honestly, I think the main problem is reception. I've toyed with the idea of entering my corp into PC, and the 1 major concern is not the ringers, or even the costs, it's the fact that you see the squads of established PC corps in pubs, and many of them are just bastards to fight against. Camping uplinks, people exploiting broken/unbalance mechanics, hard to fight against packs of FotM. All I can think is that my corp made up of my friends would love to test our mettle against these corps, but if we can't just run the fun fits we made, and instead have to run full anti-frustrating-tactics fits, it quickly looses its appeal. I'd much rather avoid the stress of fighting a large, talent pooling group of people with functionally unlimited money, doing stuff that makes them unfun to fight against. No point when even if I win a district, and even if I can defend it every day when I don't have the billions of isk to hire alliance ringers/purchase clone packs. I'll stick to running pubs with my friends, with the occasional FW to mix it up. Well then PC simply is not for you guys. It's not about running around doing silly things. its about playing to get the win.
Not doing silly things, just not wanting ro skill into the current anti-meta fit (which is often the current meta) and use it to fight people with unlimited resources, often from past PC exploitation. Hard to fight a meaningful/fun engagement under those circumstances. We make our fits and playstyles work.
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Back and Forth
8
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Posted - 2015.06.16 13:02:00 -
[146] - Quote
Balistyc Farshot wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Balistyc Farshot wrote:Here are 2 PR points that you OH and CA guys don't seem to get. I keep seeing venom in the responses as an indicator.
1. Stop talking about ringers.
- Everyone who was in PCs during some of the worst times has terrible experience with the billboard corps bringing in 14 ringers for the smash, being farmed, or having ringers from like allied or like corps **** people off. I saw more people leave corps due to ringing or leveraging ringers than any other driving force.
- You don't know the problem from where you are. Just be quiet about this issue. It is an issue or everyone wouldn't be so fing mad about it. Just acknowledge it is a problem, mention how it is less prevalent now (it is), and don't brow beat people for suffering from it.
- If you don't get this point then come meet me in any COD and I will ride you all day and you tell me if you hate my guts because I use exploits like crazy.
2. Focus on this being brand new. New corps don't see the past as rosy.
- The past exploits of the CBM is full of corruption.
- Focus on this being your new legacy and drive home how this is a new day and you are marshaling in the next era of PC with the top position driving for a new player controlled PC.
- You won't win districts for everyone, but you will start off as many "New" corps as you can into PC is the message.
- Your previous message about you gaining nothing is a good start but people will mistrust that post. Focus on why you are doing this. Everyone has motives. I think if you talked about them that would tell everyone see where you are coming from.
PC is an empty battlefield lately and this saddens you
Your corp has a bad rap just like Nyain San used to and you want to be better than that
Dust is losing player base and you have vested lots into the game and want to retain people in PC
Just a couple of suggestions. Like I said before, I support this movement but it requires new corps to risk everything (A few bad fights could burn out members and then the corp folds) on a benefactor they don't necessarily know. You are giving out district you don't even fight on so it costs you so very little. Think of new corps perspective.
Can you give some examples where the CBM was corrupt. Also if you think the CBM was made to help PC it was not. CBM was made after a late night PC and a group of friends decided to have some fun. We never intended to actually do anything serious. After a while people started asking for help doing some stuff so we did what we could to make a good mix of philanthropy along side having fun so it would not be completely boring for us. Also second question what did the CBM set out to do and how did they fail. Because if you are comparing what shep is doing to what the CBM did you are off base on a few things. Viktor - Sorry to call the CBM corrupt. I never saw a charter for the CBM but I do know from some of my friend's corps I used to help (Not giving names) that they would fight against a corp who instigated a fight, then be beaten down after violating the last district policy while avenging same said offense performed by the corp. I was told the last district rule was started by the CBM and the enforcement is as always political. All politics involve some people lying and exploiting facts, hence my corruption correlation. There may be exceptions and probably good intentions that were involved. This is a game of battle and some perception is spread through people being angry they lost. There were other comments earlier about the CBM not being effective in the thread you did not respond to. Just curious why you called out mine? My statement wasn't even made for you but discussing general perceptions and helping top corps with PR. If I am at all wrong this was my ignorance entirely. But I know my view is a bit of the shared perception. The CBM has never harmed me directly. If the CBM was trying to police PC, like I hear it was trying to perform, then it would be considered failing right? Dude, you told another corp they shouldn't PC because they don't try super hard and you can't take a little failure comment. If you become a CPM be careful. Those guys received some serious flaming at times. Like character attacks.
I called out your post because i was not really keep up with this thread that actively because of real life stuff and when i logged on your post was the most recent.
Last district rule was made preCBM era but all of the CBM corps supported it to some extent. But it was not policed by the CBM it was policed by the corps within the CBM. the reasoning behind that is that the last district rule was never made to be policed by a single entity(like the CBM) it was meant to be policed by the community. Thats why i say the corps in the CBM enforced the last district rule as part of their duty to the community not as a duty to the CBM.
The one and only if i remember correctly CBM went out to do is stop district farming and encourage fighting instead of having districts locked 24/7. District farming was even an after thought of the CBM it was orginally created as a joke with no real purpose. There are many things that people think we set out to do and did incorrectly but they are wrong and during the era of CBM we generally did not correct them because we did not care to much what others thought of us at the time.
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Dalmont Legrand
RUST415
552
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Posted - 2015.06.16 13:40:00 -
[147] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:Sometimes the sandbox delivers!
Sanbox is full of ***** and you can smell it...
What ***** do is claim that they are just like the rest of the sand in the box.
Can't wait to see babies ride hard for another give away land contest which will obviously fail some time later.
It truly delivers sometimes
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Dalmont Legrand
RUST415
552
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Posted - 2015.06.16 14:13:00 -
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Shepherd Grey wrote:I have been informed that some of you have a bad opinion of my organization, or me personally. To be honest, I never expected to be in the position that I am in...nor to have the responsibilities that come with it. I remember clearly coming from the bottom, fighting against the powers that be, and struggling to earn our right among the rest. I will spare you the memoir.
I am not a carebear (completely). I WANT you to struggle, to desire more, to strive for improvement. The hardest aspects of PC itself is what challenges both the player and the team in its entirety, and those with the fortitude to carry on build the bonds that make this game.....well, the game I love. To fully experience the single most dynamic component of DUST514, I believe you MUST participate in the competitive field and test your valor.
However, in PC's current state, it appears assistance is necessary to uplift the majority of "up and comers" (and those whose previous attempts have met with failure) and give them a chance. My current plan is to segregate, as best I can, corps based on tiers into corresponding constellations within Molden Heath (there are 6 constellations total). To begin, the lowest tiers will be provided a district free-of-charge in a specific constellation. This way, they can essentially "have it out" in fair fights with corps of similar skill in close proximity with each other without any disruption by corps of obviously higher skill.
So far, I have some top-tier corps that agree not to interfere with this course of action, and will devote resources toward construction of this system.
This thread is meant to gather corp names that wish to take part in this PC reformation, and be given their district. Also, relevant and coherent feedback would be appreciated.
I ask that only corp leaders make any attempt to contact me in game, that I may extradite this plan swiftly.
Shep
Well hello there creature, if under sauce of PC district faire you want to move corps without their approval, we disagree on that and for further notice: if no equal quantity of districts for the corps will be provided outside of the Tartatven due to relocation then be my guest.
At least we, I don't know about others, will flip all and every party outside Tartatven as well as permacamp your PC Faire in there. Have fun
If I hear any noise from your side claiming we are bunch of douche bags after that, be sure to recall who has pain in the buttocks when something goes not-his-way.
o/^
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Balistyc Farshot
MONSTER SYNERGY
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Posted - 2015.06.16 14:41:00 -
[149] - Quote
Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:
I called out your post because i was not really keep up with this thread that actively because of real life stuff and when i logged on your post was the most recent.
Last district rule was made preCBM era but all of the CBM corps supported it to some extent. But it was not policed by the CBM it was policed by the corps within the CBM. the reasoning behind that is that the last district rule was never made to be policed by a single entity(like the CBM) it was meant to be policed by the community. Thats why i say the corps in the CBM enforced the last district rule as part of their duty to the community not as a duty to the CBM.
The one and only if i remember correctly CBM went out to do is stop district farming and encourage fighting instead of having districts locked 24/7. District farming was even an after thought of the CBM it was orginally created as a joke with no real purpose. There are many things that people think we set out to do and did incorrectly but they are wrong and during the era of CBM we generally did not correct them because we did not care to much what others thought of us at the time.
You do know I have to call you out now?
You are a CPM candidate and you talk both ways already. You should have come forth with a way better response than this IMO.
You tote the CBM, but say it was a joke.
You guard the charter or direction but say you did not fail or do anything wrong because you were aimless but were a gathering of powerful corps.
You should have stuck to the, "We tried to enforce some order in PC. People got ruffled. Maybe I can make a difference in the CPM speech."
Failure is ok, as long as you learn from it.Otherwise you come off as the person trying to be the try hard, "I fail nothing! It was all on purpose."
"Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!"
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
2
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Posted - 2015.06.16 14:51:00 -
[150] - Quote
Something like this, needs to everyone on board.. so regarding TARTAVEN, the epeens need to be kept in your pants. It is not perfect, but it is a start, and I fully support a system for new corps, so when a new/undeveloped corp is given land, or even wants to come in and flip something, they can begin in a system with corps of similar skill levels, and progress.
I have tried something similar, intending to gain Osvetur as a EU PC zone.. as soon as QQuse was aware of this, he sent attacks to see it did not happen. After that I was not going to make a habit of building something the fat kids will break,
So if TARTAVEN is going to work, the supporters need to outnumber the trolls because no matter who sets this up, there will be trolls, the only way to defend vs that is if the community supports this proposal.
- As someone who has been on the receiving end from the corps involved, I urge more players to settle these differences.
Because this 'project' is not about Cap, or anyone else instigating it, it is about MH and making a 'safezone' where undeveloped corps can battle without having to deal with the scrubbiest of tryhards being you neighbours.
So to the players this may benefit, you can either hide under tinfoil hats and call BS on this..
Or you can get off your ass and be part of making the first healthy change to how MH functions (in my time)
No-one is being asked to buddy up, no-one is being asked for anything in return (bar respecting noobs in Tartaven)
Just take the fights somewhere else, leave this as the first step to growing PC, and draw blood/tears elsewhere |
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Back and Forth
8
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Posted - 2015.06.16 15:08:00 -
[151] - Quote
TheD1CK wrote:Something like this, needs to everyone on board.. so regarding TARTAVEN, the epeens need to be kept in your pants. It is not perfect, but it is a start, and I fully support a system for new corps, so when a new/undeveloped corp is given land, or even wants to come in and flip something, they can begin in a system with corps of similar skill levels, and progress.
I have tried something similar, intending to gain Osvetur as a EU PC zone.. as soon as QQuse was aware of this, he sent attacks to see it did not happen. After that I was not going to make a habit of building something the fat kids will break,
So if TARTAVEN is going to work, the supporters need to outnumber the trolls because no matter who sets this up, there will be trolls, the only way to defend vs that is if the community supports this proposal.
- As someone who has been on the receiving end from the corps involved, I urge more players to settle these differences.
Because this 'project' is not about Cap, or anyone else instigating it, it is about MH and making a 'safezone' where undeveloped corps can battle without having to deal with the scrubbiest of tryhards being you neighbours.
So to the players this may benefit, you can either hide under tinfoil hats and call BS on this..
Or you can get off your ass and be part of making the first healthy change to how MH functions (in my time)
No-one is being asked to buddy up, no-one is being asked for anything in return (bar respecting noobs in Tartaven)
Just take the fights somewhere else, leave this as the first step to growing PC, and draw blood/tears elsewhere
Oh osvetur i remember this, EU timezone where all eu corps sat around and did....
nothing.
The attack on osvetur gave more action to that system in 1 day then it has had in two weeks.
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Dalmont Legrand
RUST415
552
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Posted - 2015.06.16 15:37:00 -
[152] - Quote
TheD1CK wrote:Something like this, needs to everyone on board.. so regarding TARTAVEN, the epeens need to be kept in your pants. It is not perfect, but it is a start, and I fully support a system for new corps, so when a new/undeveloped corp is given land, or even wants to come in and flip something, they can begin in a system with corps of similar skill levels, and progress.
I have tried something similar, intending to gain Osvetur as a EU PC zone.. as soon as QQuse was aware of this, he sent attacks to see it did not happen. After that I was not going to make a habit of building something the fat kids will break,
So if TARTAVEN is going to work, the supporters need to outnumber the trolls because no matter who sets this up, there will be trolls, the only way to defend vs that is if the community supports this proposal.
- As someone who has been on the receiving end from the corps involved, I urge more players to settle these differences.
Because this 'project' is not about Cap, or anyone else instigating it, it is about MH and making a 'safezone' where undeveloped corps can battle without having to deal with the scrubbiest of tryhards being you neighbours.
So to the players this may benefit, you can either hide under tinfoil hats and call BS on this..
Or you can get off your ass and be part of making the first healthy change to how MH functions (in my time)
No-one is being asked to buddy up, no-one is being asked for anything in return (bar respecting noobs in Tartaven)
Just take the fights somewhere else, leave this as the first step to growing PC, and draw blood/tears elsewhere
You cannot trust those who break rules themselves, just by making few more.
What is happening IMO is "I am bored and need attention. Hey, lets do pc faire so later we have someone to fight against.".
Because what RUST intends is to have that all over MH, which is more than one place they aim and claim to make it a good bet.
Yes I wasn't really present and aware, (my personal thanks to D1ck for doing nice in RUST btw, would be nice having you back in other circumstances) that some of our members decided to f..k our doctrine which is going to be epic buttocks warm-up from me, be sure.
What is intended in our alliance is to join and have own land being a developing corp, aligned with developed ones, thing is nobody wants to play together because adversaries are needed, you can have them if you want but that needs LOWER BARRIERS TO ENTRY AND MORE SPACE NOT JUST MOLDEN HEATH.
What Mr.Grey does is tells he is so handsome in destroying a bigger opportunity just because he is not part of it and do some pathetic version of it. TO do that he picks one of "valid" reasons that can be applied against his own company of comrades How about joining RUST? This way we kill the dispute, give land to developing corps and have still pretty lot of enemies.
If it is hardly imaginable for Mr. Grey then I must say this person cannot accept change and conditions in favour of those he claims to protect, sacrifice is hard but he is not the only one to do that. He has hard time doing that? Well if so maybe he is arrogant and wants to be "beloved" whilst destroying something better to have own ridicule version of it. Both sides are full of wrongdoings, however we do not deny it unlike them.
Well, not joining RUST which is a pretty good opportunity and also way to influence easily "bad" corps will show that Mr. Grey is showing off and is moved by his selfish ideals which will bring nothing but despair for those lads in future. If he has clear intention than he must contact me and we discuss that. D1ck, does it look to you now, like RUST is ready to settle difference and old fights for the commonwealth? Because for me it does.
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Back and Forth
8
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Posted - 2015.06.16 15:50:00 -
[153] - Quote
Dalmont Legrand wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Something like this, needs to everyone on board.. so regarding TARTAVEN, the epeens need to be kept in your pants. It is not perfect, but it is a start, and I fully support a system for new corps, so when a new/undeveloped corp is given land, or even wants to come in and flip something, they can begin in a system with corps of similar skill levels, and progress.
I have tried something similar, intending to gain Osvetur as a EU PC zone.. as soon as QQuse was aware of this, he sent attacks to see it did not happen. After that I was not going to make a habit of building something the fat kids will break,
So if TARTAVEN is going to work, the supporters need to outnumber the trolls because no matter who sets this up, there will be trolls, the only way to defend vs that is if the community supports this proposal.
- As someone who has been on the receiving end from the corps involved, I urge more players to settle these differences.
Because this 'project' is not about Cap, or anyone else instigating it, it is about MH and making a 'safezone' where undeveloped corps can battle without having to deal with the scrubbiest of tryhards being you neighbours.
So to the players this may benefit, you can either hide under tinfoil hats and call BS on this..
Or you can get off your ass and be part of making the first healthy change to how MH functions (in my time)
No-one is being asked to buddy up, no-one is being asked for anything in return (bar respecting noobs in Tartaven)
Just take the fights somewhere else, leave this as the first step to growing PC, and draw blood/tears elsewhere You cannot trust those who break rules themselves, just by making few more. What is happening IMO is "I am bored and need attention. Hey, lets do pc faire so later we have someone to fight against.". Because what RUST intends is to have that all over MH, which is more than one place they aim and claim to make it a good bet. Yes I wasn't really present and aware, (my personal thanks to D1ck for doing nice in RUST btw, would be nice having you back in other circumstances) that some of our members decided to f..k our doctrine which is going to be epic buttocks warm-up from me, be sure. What is intended in our alliance is to join and have own land being a developing corp, aligned with developed ones, thing is nobody wants to play together because adversaries are needed, you can have them if you want but that needs LOWER BARRIERS TO ENTRY AND MORE SPACE NOT JUST MOLDEN HEATH. What Mr.Grey does is: tells he is so handsome in destroying a bigger opportunity just because he is not part of it and wants do some pathetic version of it. To do that he picks one of "valid" reasons that can be applied against his own company of comrades and applies publicly against us. How about joining RUST? This way we kill the dispute, give land to developing corps and have still pretty much a lot of enemies or no enemies at all, just sharing experience. If it is hardly imaginable for Mr. Grey then I must say this person cannot accept change and conditions in favour of those he claims to protect, sacrifice is hard but he is not the only one to do that. He has hard time doing that? Well if so maybe he is arrogant and wants to be "beloved" whilst destroying something better to have own ridicule version of it. Both sides are full of wrongdoings, however we do not deny it unlike them, and we tend to fix them, at least I do. Well, not joining RUST, which is a pretty good opportunity and way to influence easily "bad" corps, will show that Mr. Grey is showing off and is moved by his selfish ideals which will bring nothing but despair for those lads in future. If he has clear intention then he must contact me and we discuss that. D1ck, does it look to you now, like RUST is ready to settle difference and old fights for the commonwealth? Because for me it does.
you are either crazy or just wrong pick one.
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Heimdallr69
Negative-Feedback.
5
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Posted - 2015.06.16 16:05:00 -
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Why would Cap or OH join Rust? To ensure you don't attack corps in tart? Well good luck
Yes my reading comprehension is almost 2
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Why would Cap or OH join Rust? To ensure you don't attack corps in tart? Well good luck
Yes my reading comprehension is almost 2
I can think of another way to ensure Rust does not attack tart... 
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Why would Cap or OH join Rust? To ensure you don't attack corps in tart? Well good luck
Yes my reading comprehension is almost 2 I can think of another way to ensure Rust does not attack tart...
Hehe =ƒæì
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Posted - 2015.06.16 16:48:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Why would Cap or OH join Rust? To ensure you don't attack corps in tart? Well good luck
Yes my reading comprehension is almost 2 I can think of another way to ensure Rust does not attack tart... Hehe =ƒæì
Do we need districts to make life hard in Tartatven? Nope. Taking districts won't help it or you are so deep in own buttocks you can't see what you are affirming? Please, you are just an annoying bug with no relevance at this point, hide and don't disturb people from doing "politics".
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Dalmont Legrand wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Why would Cap or OH join Rust? To ensure you don't attack corps in tart? Well good luck
Yes my reading comprehension is almost 2 I can think of another way to ensure Rust does not attack tart... Hehe =ƒæì Do we need districts to make life hard in Tartatven? Nope. Taking districts won't help it or you are so deep in own buttocks you can't see what you are affirming? Please you are just an annoying bug with no relevance at this point, hide and don't disturb people from doing "politics".
No but we reside in Tart, that's where our homeworld has always been..so if rust wishes to make it hell then it becomes our business as well..right now we're not allied with Cap/OH but I would gladly have them join the NF alliance =ƒÿÅ, of course they'd probably deny that option but still you'd be making more enemies than just Cap/OH...go waste ISK on clone packs
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Dalmont Legrand wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Why would Cap or OH join Rust? To ensure you don't attack corps in tart? Well good luck
Yes my reading comprehension is almost 2 I can think of another way to ensure Rust does not attack tart... Hehe =ƒæì Do we need districts to make life hard in Tartatven? Nope. Taking districts won't help it or you are so deep in own buttocks you can't see what you are affirming? Please you are just an annoying bug with no relevance at this point, hide and don't disturb people from doing "politics". No but we reside in Tart, that's where our homeworld has always been..so if rust wishes to make it hell then it becomes our business as well..right now we're not allied with Cap/OH but I would gladly have them join the NF alliance =ƒÿÅ, of course they'd probably deny that option but still you'd be making more enemies than just Cap/OH...go waste ISK on clone packs
Well we wouldn't do anything if CAPAQ guys wouldn't claim we are the one who violate district rules whilst they do the same many times for example:
So be sure to read carefully.
In Oddelulf III - District 9 happened:
Horizons' EdgeCH112+8045002:0007/04/2015 03:26
The IRS.CH150+045002:0007/04/2015 02:56
HEX did attack while IRS had 2 districts, they took one.
Four days later Capital AQ attacks second and last district of IRS and takes it.
In Meildolf V - District 2 happened:
Capital Acquisitions LLCCH360+8045003:0011/04/2015 04:56
The IRS.CH150+045003:0011/04/2015 04:26
So CAPAQ violated last district rule. Correct me if I am wrong but data is data.
So now they, on the base, we are bad and violating the rule we dont let poor small corporations have their districts, start a campaign of districts held by developing small corps. Which is our ideal, yes, some management decisions without my presence brought violation of our doctrine as well, however we do fix that unlike others because we envision long-term goals which can improve gaming experience of all, check our website for more details rust415.com/en/. No more comments on your intentions upon this topic from me, because we are not the cause of WHAT HAVEN'T HAPPENED YET, BUT WE WILL MAKE SURE TO MAKE SOME CONSEQUENCES, in case it happens.
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Dalmont Legrand wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Dalmont Legrand wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:I can think of another way to ensure Rust does not attack tart... Hehe =ƒæì Do we need districts to make life hard in Tartatven? Nope. Taking districts won't help it or you are so deep in own buttocks you can't see what you are affirming? Please you are just an annoying bug with no relevance at this point, hide and don't disturb people from doing "politics". No but we reside in Tart, that's where our homeworld has always been..so if rust wishes to make it hell then it becomes our business as well..right now we're not allied with Cap/OH but I would gladly have them join the NF alliance =ƒÿÅ, of course they'd probably deny that option but still you'd be making more enemies than just Cap/OH...go waste ISK on clone packs Well we wouldn't do anything if CAPAQ guys wouldn't claim we are the one who violate district rules whilst they do the same many times for example:
So be sure to read carefully. In Oddelulf III - District 9 happened: Horizons' EdgeCH112+8045002:0007/04/2015 03:26 The IRS.CH150+045002:0007/04/2015 02:56 HEX did attack while IRS had 2 districts, they took one. Four days later Capital AQ attacks second and last district of IRS and takes it. In Meildolf V - District 2 happened: Capital Acquisitions LLCCH360+8045003:0011/04/2015 04:56 The IRS.CH150+045003:0011/04/2015 04:26 So CAPAQ violated last district rule. Correct me if I am wrong but data is data.
So now they, on the base, we are bad and violating the rule we dont let poor small corporations have their districts, start a campaign of districts held by developing small corps. Which is our ideal, yes, some management decisions without my presence brought violation of our doctrine as well, however we do fix that unlike others because we envision long-term goals which can improve gaming experience of all, check our website for more details rust415.com/en/. No more comments on your intentions upon this topic from me, because we are not the cause of WHAT HAVEN'T HAPPENED YET, BUT WE WILL MAKE SURE TO MAKE SOME CONSEQUENCES.
quoting so you can't delete this later.
So happy you posted this here also.
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:
quoting so you can't delete this later.
So happy you posted this here also.
Royal facepalm...
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Dalmont Legrand wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:
quoting so you can't delete this later.
So happy you posted this here also.
Royal facepalm... EDIT: Don't forget to add that it was CBM corp. You are so lost in your game you think this fact, just one more example of breaking a rule whatever were the parties, that will make you, a CBM representative a person who stands for what he says? I need pop corn!
What does the CBM stand for? link us our charter and list of laws please.
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Dalmont Legrand wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:
quoting so you can't delete this later.
So happy you posted this here also.
Royal facepalm... EDIT: Don't forget to add that it was CBM corp. You are so lost in your game you think this fact, just one more example of breaking a rule whatever were the parties, that will make you, a CBM representative a person who stands for what he says? I need pop corn! What does the CBM stand for? link us our charter and list of laws please.
Trolling over forsaken lol, nothing much, everything you claim is a BS, the one and only design and purpose of CBM is a trolling lol
Remove your candidacy from CPM2 at once, you will make this game worse. Use your qualified troll brain, instead of hiding behind someone big, do something useful, don't deceive some teenagers and mediocre people on these forums. They come here to joy and are being put into something useless. No more comments from me upon your existence, sorry. o7
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I love all the theories of what the CBM morals and standards are.
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Viktor Hadah Jr
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Dalmont Legrand wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Dalmont Legrand wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:
quoting so you can't delete this later.
So happy you posted this here also.
Royal facepalm... EDIT: Don't forget to add that it was CBM corp. You are so lost in your game you think this fact, just one more example of breaking a rule whatever were the parties, that will make you, a CBM representative a person who stands for what he says? I need pop corn! What does the CBM stand for? link us our charter and list of laws please. Trolling over forsaken lol, nothing much, everything you claim is a BS, the one and only design and purpose of CBM is a trolling lol Remove your candidacy from CPM2 at once, you will make this game worse. Use your qualified troll brain, instead of hiding behind someone big, do something useful, don't deceive some teenagers and mediocre people on these forums. They come here to joy and are being put into something useless. No more comments from me upon your existence, sorry. o7
Well you got the first part right and it is not really ever been hidden, CBM was created to troll. But then you say everything you claim is BS. Which mean the thing you and I claim the CBM is BS.
Are you insane?
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Gambit it is, indeed.
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Osvetur was inactive because we held 80% with the remainder being timers past 00:00, hence why I made contact. The goal was to take the planet then divide it out with any EU corps we could bring in, This crashed once your buddies were unhappy
If your unhappy about inactivity.. why not these Planets??
- Ennur
- Meildolf
- Kadlina
- Skarkon
All had less activity with no goal to create anything good there
So really it was just an excuse to exploit the 'because I can clause'
I don't get why people acting purely for themselves insist on sounding like they are supporting a cause.
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TheD1CK wrote:
I don't get why people acting purely for themselves insist on sounding like they are supporting a cause.
Because they're petty and childish.
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Dalmont Legrand wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Something like this, needs to everyone on board.. so regarding TARTAVEN, the epeens need to be kept in your pants. It is not perfect, but it is a start, and I fully support a system for new corps, so when a new/undeveloped corp is given land, or even wants to come in and flip something, they can begin in a system with corps of similar skill levels, and progress.
I have tried something similar, intending to gain Osvetur as a EU PC zone.. as soon as QQuse was aware of this, he sent attacks to see it did not happen. After that I was not going to make a habit of building something the fat kids will break,
So if TARTAVEN is going to work, the supporters need to outnumber the trolls because no matter who sets this up, there will be trolls, the only way to defend vs that is if the community supports this proposal.
- As someone who has been on the receiving end from the corps involved, I urge more players to settle these differences.
Because this 'project' is not about Cap, or anyone else instigating it, it is about MH and making a 'safezone' where undeveloped corps can battle without having to deal with the scrubbiest of tryhards being you neighbours.
So to the players this may benefit, you can either hide under tinfoil hats and call BS on this..
Or you can get off your ass and be part of making the first healthy change to how MH functions (in my time)
No-one is being asked to buddy up, no-one is being asked for anything in return (bar respecting noobs in Tartaven)
Just take the fights somewhere else, leave this as the first step to growing PC, and draw blood/tears elsewhere You cannot trust those who break rules themselves, just by making few more. What is happening IMO is "I am bored and need attention. Hey, lets do pc faire so later we have someone to fight against.". Because what RUST intends is to have that all over MH, which is more than one place they aim and claim to make it a good bet. Yes I wasn't really present and aware, (my personal thanks to D1ck for doing nice in RUST btw, would be nice having you back in other circumstances) that some of our members decided to f..k our doctrine which is going to be epic buttocks warm-up from me, be sure. What is intended in our alliance is to join and have own land being a developing corp, aligned with developed ones, thing is nobody wants to play together because adversaries are needed, you can have them if you want but that needs LOWER BARRIERS TO ENTRY AND MORE SPACE NOT JUST MOLDEN HEATH. What Mr.Grey does is: tells he is so handsome in destroying a bigger opportunity just because he is not part of it and wants do some pathetic version of it. To do that he picks one of "valid" reasons that can be applied against his own company of comrades and applies publicly against us. How about joining RUST? This way we kill the dispute, give land to developing corps and have still pretty much a lot of enemies or no enemies at all, just sharing experience. If it is hardly imaginable for Mr. Grey then I must say this person cannot accept change and conditions in favour of those he claims to protect, sacrifice is hard but he is not the only one to do that. He has hard time doing that? Well if so maybe he is arrogant and wants to be "beloved" whilst destroying something better to have own ridicule version of it. Both sides are full of wrongdoings, however we do not deny it unlike them, and we tend to fix them, at least I do. Well, not joining RUST, which is a pretty good opportunity and way to influence easily "bad" corps, will show that Mr. Grey is showing off and is moved by his selfish ideals which will bring nothing but despair for those lads in future. If he has clear intention then he must contact me and we discuss that. D1ck, does it look to you now, like RUST is ready to settle difference and old fights for the commonwealth? Because for me it does. you are either crazy or just wrong pick one.
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Hmmm.
So Dalmont claims I must join his alliance to prove this plan's validity, correct?
What kind of sideways sh!t is that anyway. As if you didn't have 8000 corps within your alliance already, in effect barring a large portion of PC competition the capability of fighting each other (unless, of course, you just love that alliance chat drama). They won't fight each other, Tso's 2.0.
Sorry my friend, been there before, done that. Respectfully denied.
To say that I make this plan with the intent to nurture corps up that people can one day fight them? CORRECT SIR! If this plan builds up a corp to the level of competence to provide a fair fight, THE PLAN IS A SUCCESS. You stating that fact as a counter-argument to my philosophy effectively says YOU wish for these corps to NEVER have that capability - making YOU the one hindering growth of competition.
Who is The IRS? To say that a "CBM corp" flipped those districts in no way, shape, or form convicts CAP or myself as the perpetrator of said acts. Just because people wearing tags show up in a battle doesn't mean the corporation whose tags they bear supports the attack (much less even knows about it).
You can try and tarnish my reputation all you like, but at least have some legitimate evidence to back your accusations. Everyone is on board with this now, except you. Everyone has equal stake and responsibility to ensure its success - not just one governing body. |
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Sorry for mess with your thread shep <3
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TheD1CK wrote:Osvetur was inactive because we held 80% with the remainder being timers past 00:00, hence why I made contact. The goal was to take the planet then divide it out with any EU corps we could bring in, This crashed once your buddies were unhappy
If your unhappy about inactivity.. why not these Planets??
- Ennur
- Meildolf
- Kadlina
- Skarkon
All had less activity with no goal to create anything good there
So really it was just an excuse to exploit the 'because I can clause'
I don't get why people acting purely for themselves insist on sounding like they are supporting a cause.
I remember this.
Cuse told me you guys had a meeting and wanted our district on that planet for your ponytail circlejerk.
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Posted - 2015.06.16 21:18:00 -
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Shepherd Grey wrote:Hmmm.
So Dalmont claims I must join his alliance to prove this plan's validity, correct?
What kind of sideways sh!t is that anyway. As if you didn't have 8000 corps within your alliance already, in effect barring a large portion of PC competition the capability of fighting each other (unless, of course, you just love that alliance chat drama). They won't fight each other, Tso's 2.0.
Sorry my friend, been there before, done that. Respectfully denied.
To say that I make this plan with the intent to nurture corps up that people can one day fight them? CORRECT SIR! If this plan builds up a corp to the level of competence to provide a fair fight, THE PLAN IS A SUCCESS. You stating that fact as a counter-argument to my philosophy effectively says YOU wish for these corps to NEVER have that capability - making YOU the one hindering growth of competition.
Who is The IRS? To say that a "CBM corp" flipped those districts in no way, shape, or form convicts CAP or myself as the perpetrator of said acts. Just because people wearing tags show up in a battle doesn't mean the corporation whose tags they bear supports the attack (much less even knows about it).
You can try and tarnish my reputation all you like, but at least have some legitimate evidence to back your accusations. Everyone is on board with this now, except you. Everyone has equal stake and responsibility to ensure its success - not just one governing body.
The plan won't be a success because upon planning you forget that managing you have human factor which sooner or later will do what it did to PFC. No counter-attacks, just pulling you into clean water. I have no will to spend time convincing what you should do. What I did with this "CBM for lulz" remark is to show that you are just like me or anybody who has been in position before us.
I don't mind pulling sh!t on me if it also shows true side of the one I claim upon. Accusations are nothing but a variable, just like Viktor Hadah here kissing your buttocks all time long, makes me feel sick; little Bieber fan-girl - also part of the game, this is sandbox full of erm...sand. Do you even lift?
Same story, different angle. Your narrow thought brings you into thinking that TSO 2.0 is ever to happen, by same thinking of yours I claim PFC 2.0 is to happen to your idea. You know what happened to that.
Besides if you think TSO to happen again then you are not responsible for own actions, you deny opportunity to make it not-TSO and you simply call it a bad idea because you have pre-set bias towards such, which IMO shows that you give up before even starting, with such view that "club of interstellar housewives" wont hold long. You want to give in for your plan, well do it then and I will make bets.
Few facts about us. Our alliance doesn't have one body to rule, we have holocracy and two men who are me and Ael. We don't interfere, we keep ensuring alliance policy is being ensured.
Of course we cannot cover everything, and some things escape but as for now things are running and we plan to keep them running, we both don't want to rule corporations in our alliance. They rule their alliance, we managed to retain power to be sure none will go crazy and decide something stupid. Sounds like parliamentary republic to me, at least in semi-strong form, but we can improve that. Land is not a problem, people are, and as soon you find it out you will understand what I am saying in this very post about what we achieved and what some corporations saw in us. I am grateful for that.
One governing body? Well lets make it a coalition if you are afraid of alliance who has no one-to-rule-them-all person because if you won't play rules as everyone else in our alliance then yes it will be TSO 2.0.
P.S.: Horizon will get its district and clone pack back as much as I heard from PoK. Now I wait for feedback on that. Call me hard in the head but I am doing my part.
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Posted - 2015.06.16 21:27:00 -
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Confirmed: Hard in head.
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el OPERATOR wrote:Confirmed: Hard in the head.
I'm hard somewhere else Though technically still a head
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Heimdallr69 wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Confirmed: Hard in the head. I'm hard somewhere else Though technically still a head
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Deputy Ivanna JakinUnoff wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Confirmed: Hard in the head. I'm hard somewhere else Though technically still a head Oh really big boi
I wouldn't call it "big" perhaps below avg
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Dalmont Legrand wrote:Shepherd Grey wrote:Hmmm.
So Dalmont claims I must join his alliance to prove this plan's validity, correct?
What kind of sideways sh!t is that anyway. As if you didn't have 8000 corps within your alliance already, in effect barring a large portion of PC competition the capability of fighting each other (unless, of course, you just love that alliance chat drama). They won't fight each other, Tso's 2.0.
Sorry my friend, been there before, done that. Respectfully denied.
To say that I make this plan with the intent to nurture corps up that people can one day fight them? CORRECT SIR! If this plan builds up a corp to the level of competence to provide a fair fight, THE PLAN IS A SUCCESS. You stating that fact as a counter-argument to my philosophy effectively says YOU wish for these corps to NEVER have that capability - making YOU the one hindering growth of competition.
Who is The IRS? To say that a "CBM corp" flipped those districts in no way, shape, or form convicts CAP or myself as the perpetrator of said acts. Just because people wearing tags show up in a battle doesn't mean the corporation whose tags they bear supports the attack (much less even knows about it).
You can try and tarnish my reputation all you like, but at least have some legitimate evidence to back your accusations. Everyone is on board with this now, except you. Everyone has equal stake and responsibility to ensure its success - not just one governing body. The plan won't be a success because upon planning you forget that managing you have human factor which sooner or later will do what it did to PFC. No counter-attacks, just pulling you into clean water. I have no will to spend time convincing what you should do. What I did with this "CBM for lulz" remark is to show that you are just like me or anybody who has been in position before us. I don't mind pulling sh!t on me if it also shows true side of the one I claim upon. Accusations are nothing but a variable, just like Viktor Hadah here kissing your buttocks all time long, makes me feel sick; little Bieber fan-girl - also part of the game, this is sandbox full of erm...sand. Do you even lift? Same story, different angle. Your narrow thought brings you into thinking that TSO 2.0 is ever to happen, by same thinking of yours I claim PFC 2.0 is to happen to your idea. You know what happened to that. Besides if you think TSO to happen again then you are not responsible for own actions, you deny opportunity to make it not-TSO and you simply call it a bad idea because you have pre-set bias towards such, which IMO shows that you give up before even starting, with such view that "club of interstellar housewives" wont hold long. You want to give in for your plan, well do it then and I will make bets. Few facts about us. Our alliance doesn't have one body to rule, we have holocracy and two men who are me and Ael. We don't interfere, we keep ensuring alliance policy is being ensured. Of course we cannot cover everything, and some things escape but as for now things are running and we plan to keep them running, we both don't want to rule corporations in our alliance. They rule their alliance, we managed to retain power to be sure none will go crazy and decide something stupid. Sounds like parliamentary republic to me, at least in semi-strong form, but we can improve that. Land is not a problem, people are, and as soon you find it out you will understand what I am saying in this very post about what we achieved and what some corporations saw in us. I am grateful for that. One governing body? Well lets make it a coalition if you are afraid of alliance who has no one-to-rule-them-all person because if you won't play rules as everyone else in our alliance then yes it will be TSO 2.0. P.S.: Horizon will get its district and clone pack back as much as I heard from PoK. Now I wait for feedback on that. Call me hard in the head but I am doing my part.
That did not work
I.e: every post you made in the past few days.
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Deputy Ivanna JakinUnoff wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Confirmed: Hard in the head. I'm hard somewhere else Though technically still a head Oh really big boi I wouldn't call it "big" perhaps below avg
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Posted - 2015.06.18 11:59:00 -
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In addition to that, be sure to state all details of the "proposition" when announcing because leaving one high-end corporations and removing others while only newbies should stay smells like double standard. Or I am missing something? I guess I am utterly blind in this matter.
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Dalmont Legrand
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Posted - 2015.06.18 16:12:00 -
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Oh, don't you say you got quiet until you have more "info" to drop. Simple ignoring is useless.
At least I can't stop going loud for what is right, why do you?
Where is little troll now? Did you tell him to stay quiet for now? Sounds like it because recently it smells like big boys do big sh!t and aren't aware how wrong they are in their thoughts.
Whatever the outcome, we don't mind; you hate us cos' you ain't us. Not precisely, but remotely concrete...
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Patrick57
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Posted - 2015.06.18 23:53:00 -
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This sounds familiar... almost like it's been attempted about 3 times before... I believe it went by the name "planet fight club"? |
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