really? ive used the kb/m for almost 16 years since the first unreal tournament came out and controller for over 17 years. You have much to learn.

Viktor you are correct, but we're not talking about wars here, not in the sightest. This is about corporations new to PC being removed, and we've seen it happen over and over again. Someone with barely any PC experience, players with low SP (compared to PC vets) and only 1 or maybe 2 districts being stomped by a team with veteran ringers is not a war.

It doesn't need to be one of the "top corps" attacking the weaker corps, in fact it is quite often another small corp hiring/acquiring ringers because they want the win, and really don't care about getting good enough to do it themselves. I get approached sometimes by people from corps I have never heard of asking to hire a team to take a district from another corp I've barely even heard of either. These people are willing to pay to remove someone else from the starmap, but they don't want a district themselves, not even a completely free one, because they expect someone will do the same to them. Almost makes me both cry and laugh at the same time.

Protecting the community as a whole is not everyone's cup of tea. And people play a game to be entertained. Thinking long term can make it less entertaining for sure, and for players that get their kicks redlining a weaker team, this whole conversation is irrelevant.

Agreed to a certain extent. However, as you can see with NF's current "we are a merc corp" strategy, they are left (in their own words) with "little to no work at all."

This leads to the underlying purpose of this structure. Remove the interest in ringing for the lower tiers at all. With higher risk comes higher reward, where each tier would associate a greater reward for its corresponding required risk investment.

Separate conversation entirely. The goal here is to start from the bottom, one step at a time. Corps that otherwise would have little to no interest in PC whatsoever due to their past experiences (or reports from the battlefield) of the trials and tribulations against the top 1% need to be encouraged to give this a chance. They truly are the 99% that could bring this game back to life. Otherwise, these words fall on deaf ears.

I can't illustrate the fact that I am nothing like my predecessors other than implementing this blueprint. Therefore, the structure must be analyzed and formulated in such a way that best benefits the user.

Sometimes the sandbox delivers!

This is quite interesting to read... If this holds true and happens without fail, my personal grudge against Cap Acq will change.

I like your idea and hope it all goes well.

The majority of negative responses in here toward Shepherd on this topic are completely off. The previous Parks and Recreations Project which released land wholesale first-come first-served was an initiative created in part by Shepherd's desire for more, newer, groups to have an avenue into Molden Heath and PC.

Yes, CAP wars. It's a fundamental there. But at the executive level it's not an irresponsible "clone anything that moves" ethic. There is an accountablity litmus at work there also.

The naysayers also need to realize that any effort like this is only partially an effort on the part of the initiators. The greater effort comes from the participants. Those who see an opportunity and can capitalize on it without delving into exploitation or abuse of it. This could be a real good thing for everyone. Provided everyone, as much as can be arranged, can adhere to whatever basic structurals are needed.

Good Luck, Shepherd Grey and all the others who are and who choose to be involved in this. You know you have my support.

This will take effort from the Corps supporting it, and the benefits will go to those that participate. While it may be hard for some of you to picture, most of the PC corps want to see more activity, this is the best way to achieve that..

I have seen some of the smaller corps, H84D, Destiny Immortals, YAMAH, in battles where they just cannot hit the opposition back, this is boring for the team winning, practically torture for those on the losing side, overall bad for PC. So any idea to separate activity into tiers capable of fighting each other is a good one, it just needs support. This proposal offers no real reward for supporting it, but that is the Corps choice, do they want to be part of growing PC, or killing it??

We can point the finger all day at who caused what, the fact is those active in PC can and should make these changes.

Deciding what corps qualify as 'new' will be tricky, some have lasted a while on not got off the ground yet, so while they are technically not new, they may be struggling and they need to battle other teams of their skill level.

Good Luck anyway, DMG will support any solid proposal to get new blood trained into PC. This looks good.

Note: The tiered systems would really help, having corps choose to stick to this will not be easy going, certainly at first.
If CCP Rattati is still stalking this, the best way to have this plan implemented is to make a few changes to MH.

- lower payouts in the 'safezone' systems (OR penalties to payouts for experienced corps attacking them)
- higher payouts in 'warzone' systems, Fittikan/Almur fit this well imo

To stop corps taking an entire region, simply make a change so it is not possible, we've seen 100% aimed for and it didn't do PC any favours bar the fountains of ISK flowing from it, so removing the ability to take entire planets/systems is one option.

I don't have a problem with Cap Acq but I DO have a problem against those Nyan Syan (misspelled) those pricks think they are all badass = NO THEY ARE ******* NOT!!

Even if we all agree and do this we still have to rely on CCP to fix the incentive in PC...those who know me know I hate relying on others but Ratpat has done good so far..who knows maybe this game still has a chance

If they aren't badazz ...why are you crying about them in this thread for no reason. Get rekt fgt. Please point to where the Nyain's touched you?

Why don't you go and comment somewhere else. Sick and tired of seeing your stupid name and even your corp name. I bet you don't even play the game since, you love to troll here. Go troll on BuggyField 4 ok.

Kids will be kids and you acting just like one.

LOL Oh baby gurl,,did I hurt your feelings again? I am very sorry. You wanna hug it out? Hugs and midol always helps your types. I love playing skylanders swap force or trap team.

Nyains must of reallly pushed your sh!t in good for you to still be crying about it. They have given away so many districts.

Let me guess, you run solo and becuz Nyains run in organized squads and rekt you ,,,you got to QQ like a woman. Well come here darlin,, I got a corner you can go turn tricks on.

My god the butt hurt is real in this thread.

Honestly, I never knew that ringers was such a hot topic issue in PC. I had one dude basically screaming at me like it's the most detrimental part of PC over in the PC discussion in the feedback section. And I see a ton here.

With the number of smaller corps involved in PC, are ringers seriously in every battle. Do the top corps really have that many people, that they can ring for smaller corps on a constant basis. I know many have been tied up with the war we had going on.

Am I wrong in assuming that perhaps the butthurt over ringers isn't nearly as bad as some make it out to be. Honestly, is every battle you have ever had in MH nothing but top corp ringers? I've been involved any many PC's over the years, and have never felt ringers were ever an issue.

Yes I've dealt with my fair share of "ringers", but more than anything poor communication, tactics, ect played a larger role in our loss than the people they brought to field. A great FC certainly makes a huge difference, and while Shep is quite the hard ***, he's def one of the best FC's around.

That's where I credit much of many corps success, leadership, in and out of battle. I've seen good teams, crumble, in the absence of their top dog FC. Great players are just one piece of the puzzle, and often times I feel good players play a much smaller part in the overall win, compared to what you have leading.

Honestly, get off the ringer crusade. With the advent of raiding (if done right) whenever new PC comes out, I'm hoping that corps are going to be more involved with their own holdings that they won't have the time to ring out for other battles.

Hell NO!!! I've been shown NO mercy by the Mercs in so called TOP TIER CORPS. So I will thoroughly enjoy returning the favor by taking districts with my Amigos. See you all very,very, soon.
This is not a diss on anybody but I want no handouts. I've worked my way up and saved up so much damn ISK just to be told I'm going to get it for free.

Hell NO!!! I've been shown NO mercy by the Mercs in so called TOP TIER CORPS. So I will thoroughly enjoy returning the favor by taking districts with my Amigos. See you all very,very, soon.
This is not a diss on anybody but I want no handouts. I've worked my way up and saved up so much damn ISK just to be told I'm going to get it for free.

You have the luxury of being in one of the Top Corps.

I think where the problem lies is when Said Corp "Holding" a district has maybe one or two people in the PC battle and the rest are "ringers" from other Corps. Yes I have seen this on more than one occasion.

If a Corp cant field at least 75% of their team for their own district, they shouldnt be able to deploy.

A simple mechanic like that in the Warbarge screen shouldn't cause any undue lag or delay and would also add a level of complexity by making Corps pick and choose who rings for them more carefully. Only bring in the guys with skills you really need. (Vehicles/Slayers/Logi etc.)

Yes, a "luxury" of being in a top corp. I've seen these "top corps" falter in battle on more than one occasion. My main point is that your success isn't haltered by ringers but your own mentality. You lose and go about blaming it on the ringers.

These "ringers" aren't gods, don't have unbeatable magic powers, one shot wonder weapons, or any number of other crazy ideas you can come up with. In my time with my other corp, DDB, this was always a hot topic for many in leadership. OMG, they brought OH, these guys can't beat us on their own.

Straight from the git go, the mentality was "oh noes, we have a fight on our hands and not a stomp". If we lost it was always the ringers fault. It wasn't the incredibly poor tactics the FC choose to use or their inability to adapt to the changing environment. Not the players on our side that ran off point to chase down kills or do their own thing at their teams expense.

No, it's those ringers apparently, not a failure on your own corps part. I've watched as a team fielded nearly their own 16, few ringers, and watch as we "magically" lose the battle. What then do you blame it on, are you going to finally admit that it's a failure on your part.

Nope, let's blame it on the ringers they brought in that carried their team.

It's the corps with this mentality of "I can't win, cause ringers. OMG if they fielded their own people we would stomp them" Sometimes yes maybe, if they fielded their own. Many times it easily goes both ways. But the instant ringers come in, everyone gets in this "we lost" mentality.

Lose and learn a little. Use what you observed, determine strengths and weaknesses in your tactics. What they did that beat you, ect, ect, ect. If you can't get over losing to strong ringers, you will always and ever be a small and weak corp. Your PC play will always be sub par.

I would suggest que syncing factional or pubs if you want an easy win or "fair" fight. It's the best you will ever do with your mentality about PC fights. Plenty of pub stompers out there, maybe just accept your team is just one of them if "ringers" are what prevents you from making progress in PC.

So basically since PC owning corps can make enough money from broken mechanics they have to get paid to play? lol.....

Could you clarify/expand on this? I think I see what you're getting at but am unsure...