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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.06.12 08:27:00 -
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DEATH SURRONDS wrote:0uter.Heaven stands behind this idea and will help protect new Corps
Because you guys are so great at that  OH isn't exactly known for being true to their word, lol. You guys kinda got a reputation for being wishy-washy and shady when it comes to politics. But, yanno, Jack Sparrow said it best:
"-a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest. Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for, because you can never predict when they're going to do something incredibly... stupid."
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Posted - 2015.06.12 13:04:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:DEATH SURRONDS wrote:0uter.Heaven stands behind this idea and will help protect new Corps Because you guys are so great at that OH isn't exactly known for being true to their word, lol. You guys kinda got a reputation for being wishy-washy and shady when it comes to politics. But, yanno, Jack Sparrow said it best: "-a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest. Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for, because you can never predict when they're going to do something incredibly... stupid." Do you even PC? where did that even come from?
Yes, I PC. I PC quite a bit in the past (multiple wars, mercenary work, etc) but since joining NF I've sort of trailed off the PC end of things because we're mostly mercenaries who work for pay and... Well, work isn't exactly bustling at the moment
Where does that come from? A long standing history of watching OH attack corporations in their own alliance and other corporations completely out of the blue O.o;
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Posted - 2015.06.12 16:36:00 -
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Zaria Min Deir wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Al the destroyer wrote:Zaria Min Deir wrote:
BTW, taking people's last/only districts is not a way to help... And people from the "big" PC corps being bored and ringing for anybody and helping them flip those districts also doesn't help. How are you planning to stop that? I've asked people to stop doing that ****, and they still do it anyway, because "bored".
+1 Zaria I like the idea every time it gets brought up but as long as this keeps happening NOTHING will change. All corps have players that do this and don't care about smaller corps or last district rules. Like it or not Ringers will always be used and the smaller corps that use the best ringers will win. Ringers don't win wars, corp teams do... Viktor you are correct, but we're not talking about wars here, not in the sightest. This is about corporations new to PC being removed, and we've seen it happen over and over again. Someone with barely any PC experience, players with low SP (compared to PC vets) and only 1 or maybe 2 districts being stomped by a team with veteran ringers is not a war. It doesn't need to be one of the "top corps" attacking the weaker corps, in fact it is quite often another small corp hiring/acquiring ringers because they want the win, and really don't care about getting good enough to do it themselves. I get approached sometimes by people from corps I have never heard of asking to hire a team to take a district from another corp I've barely even heard of either. These people are willing to pay to remove someone else from the starmap, but they don't want a district themselves, not even a completely free one, because they expect someone will do the same to them. Almost makes me both cry and laugh at the same time. Protecting the community as a whole is not everyone's cup of tea. And people play a game to be entertained. Thinking long term can make it less entertaining for sure, and for players that get their kicks redlining a weaker team, this whole conversation is irrelevant.
I find it admirable and I really appreciate what you're trying to do here. I really think we need a stronger effort to 'distract' veteran players from ringing and what not.
... but at the same time, it is a really good source of income for guys like me =P
So, I'm sort of on the fence about it. I'm all down for coming up with innovative ways to give veterans more meaningful things to do besides ring for lesser corporations and curb-stomp the competition but on the other side of things, it is just way too lucrative. Talking one or two million ISK for the win plus whatever the corp is paying out (usually covers losses, at the very least, but I've gotten some pretty hefty "tips").
I'm hard pressed to give any sort of meaningful feedback or ideas here when the sandbox element of being a mercenary is working... extraordinarily well... 
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Posted - 2015.06.12 23:35:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Props to people like Zaria and the OP who are trying to be the solution, even if the current environment makes it difficult rather than make excuses for the problem like so many others.
I always appreciate the people who PC who try and expand and make it something everyone can be a part of, even if the current mechanics run contrary.
Great deal of us earned our way into PC through virtual blood, tears, sleepless nights, and long periods of frustration. New Eden is a rough place. What they're doing is commendable, absolutely, but war is hell and there's nothing wrong with "making excuses for the problem". We made it - we're living proof that it can happen.
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