I'll assume this also includes no "handouts" in the form of rules changes that come from CCP/Mr Anderson directly.

You are actually most empowered right now, from what you describe, since just 10M buys you a clonepack you can launch at anywhere, from anywhere, at any time.

So, quit talking and start doing! Molden Heath eagerly awaits you!

I am not just talking, Me lost my first Attack on a district
I'll have one and I will WIN IT.

With the new mechanics that CCP are bringing in Cap Acc wont be able to hold all the districts they currently hold. By selling them then helping the new corps fight they are still making loads of cash without having to hold the actual district.

This seems a little desperate from them though. But to each his own.

With the new mechanics that CCP are bringing in Cap Acc wont be able to hold all the districts they currently hold. By selling them then helping the new corps fight they are still making loads of cash without having to hold the actual district.

This seems a little desperate from them though. But to each his own.

That's actually untrue. We won't gain full benefits from holding more land than we have active players in the corp. Nothing though will change that makes it any different than it is currently. We currently gain no profit from holding all the land we do now, and really we hold more than we could hold if every district was attacked.

Don't expect the new PC changes to make it impossibe to hold large amounts of land. The main jist of it is that it isn't profitable to hold many districts past at point. Considering that it isn't profitable now, what do you think will change, hmm.

I'm not involved with the internals on this effort so am NO authority on how it will proceed BUT there wasn't anything in the OP about corps purchasing districts to participate. I think the reference to compensation was to existing groups that may need relocation so the areas can be consolidated.

If Shepherd wanted to extort isk from newberries it would've started a loooong time ago.

But, again, I'm not involved in the internals of the whole thing currently and can only comment with an outside perspective based from prior inside experience.

Disclaimer: I'm not a PC vet by no means and only offering a barely educated opinion... (Simply put, if you don't like what I have to say STFU)






Sounds like the top 1% is getting board of fighting each other, so how about they form the
Dust Concord Coalition or DCC

It can be a newmeta game allowing top corps to police molded heath as they see fit.
There will be prejudices, favoritism, and maybe perhaps even a little honor. All it would need to begin is for the top 5 powers to form the Security Counsel and they can choose when and if to act.

Corps acting outside of the counsel's preferences may or may not get they're attention and/or motivate them to act. This will add another layer to the metagame for those devious corps to pay off the right people...

And perhaps each of the members of the security counsel can be given over watch of a section of molden Heath. Each member can then have other strong corps who could agree to support the counsels efforts.


"We may have our differences, our wars, and our prejudices, but we must be willing to unite for our common good in these times of need to police our systems because God knows Concord won't."
-some random dumbass-
AKA me










The Top 1% do have the ISK and skills to patrol molden heath, they only need the leaders to orchestrate it. Let's out these "ringers to work as Peace Keepers

Red Meat> Donuts.

I would assume myself that this isn't what's happening. We have plenty of isk, why would we need more. Shep has always seemed more interested in the battles, not extorting money from smaller corps for personal gain.

For it to work the top corps must be willing to challenge each other but at the same time be willing to have temporary cease fire to address concerns that may require a strong hand. Even if that means several members of the counsel have to slug another member in the jaw for screwing up.

My god the butt hurt is real in this thread.

Honestly, I never knew that ringers was such a hot topic issue in PC. I had one dude basically screaming at me like it's the most detrimental part of PC over in the PC discussion in the feedback section. And I see a ton here.

With the number of smaller corps involved in PC, are ringers seriously in every battle. Do the top corps really have that many people, that they can ring for smaller corps on a constant basis. I know many have been tied up with the war we had going on.

Am I wrong in assuming that perhaps the butthurt over ringers isn't nearly as bad as some make it out to be. Honestly, is every battle you have ever had in MH nothing but top corp ringers? I've been involved in many PC's over the years, and have never felt ringers were ever an issue.

Yes I've dealt with my fair share of "ringers", but more than anything poor communication, tactics, ect played a larger role in our loss than the people they brought to field. A great FC certainly makes a huge difference, and while Shep is quite the hard ***, he's def one of the best FC's around.

That's where I credit much of many corps success, leadership, in and out of battle. I've seen good teams, crumble, in the absence of their top dog FC. Great players are just one piece of the puzzle, and often times I feel good players play a much smaller part in the overall win, compared to what you have leading.

Honestly, get off the ringer crusade. With the advent of raiding (if done right) whenever new PC comes out, I'm hoping that corps are going to be more involved with their own holdings that they won't have the time to ring out for other battles.

I thought this was a help the newberries to get into and stay in PC thread.
This must be a Get Gud Scrub thread.
Understood carry on!

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Before everything else i would like a decent framerate.
I've played 2 PC lately, yesterday, with your corp and the day before with another.

The day before framerate was, not smooth, but acceptable, i could move and see where i was going and shoot stuff.

Yesterday, framerate was ok till i was only with my team, when the first red i saw came on HP, the framerate dropped dramatically.
Then my main concern was to try to move from one point to another without find myself hitting my head against a wall.
Strange fact is that, at least for me, framerate drops only when i'm near a red, while my teammates do not affect it at all, despite friendly fire is enabled, so they are possible targets.

So, imho, the first thing to do is make the mode, playable, then they should make it enjoyable.

Props to people like Zaria and the OP who are trying to be the solution, even if the current environment makes it difficult rather than make excuses for the problem like so many others.

I always appreciate the people who PC who try and expand and make it something everyone can be a part of, even if the current mechanics run contrary.

Getting noobs into PC is all and good, and we can easily get them into it. Yet if they lack the drive or desire to do what it takes to hold that land, and give up the first time they see what they perceive as ringers, they clearly demonstrate they lack that desire or drive.

I well and understand that the noobs need a starting place, yet I have trouble believing that ringers magically appear in all the smaller corps PC's. I personally don't see how EVERY battle they ever did was comprised of "TOP CORP" ringers. Too many districts out there for this to hold true.

Even very good teams I've fought for cringed at the sight of ringers, starting this mentality that they are now going to lose because of it. It's pathetic, if you want to be a good and strong corp, then by god fight for it. I don't care if they brought the best team in dust, I'm going to put my full 110% into the fight. Win or lose, I'll come out better from it.

The main point though, if you aren't shooting for the top or giving your best effort, you don't belong. If one were to take a loss as the end, and view it as an impossibility for future because of ringers, then yes, get gud scrub. A strong corp that truly wanted to get a foothold in PC would take a loss, learn from it, and try again. I don't stand for quitters, man up or go home.

Want an easy time of it, PUBS and Factional are there. Want a challenge, then go PC. Learn from your mistakes and improve. We can hold their hands and carry them for a time, but eventually they have to learn to walk on their own. And if they lack the will to do so, then they never deserved it from the start.

If the top corps thought like this, they would have never made it to where they are.

Great deal of us earned our way into PC through virtual blood, tears, sleepless nights, and long periods of frustration. New Eden is a rough place. What they're doing is commendable, absolutely, but war is hell and there's nothing wrong with "making excuses for the problem". We made it - we're living proof that it can happen.

As we are both aware, our own corps like to bring our own 16 if we can always. 0.H loves to see ringers on the other side I personally don't care if others bring ringers.

I can't speak for your CORP chat but I can speak for mine. We have a lot of ppl who love to ring and will do so for many who ask.

But if we are talking about noob corp 1 vs noob corp 2 and one of those has 16 of there own and the other has 6 0.H on their team those are going to be tough odds to beat. It can be done but very experienced PC vets in a noob match will be tough to beat.

I do agree however that to get better you have to play better teams. And no there isn't ringers for every battle in MH and if its only the strong survive so be it. Every corp I've been in only fields their own. That's why Cap Aq and 0.H are so strong.
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We had to play the same game, beating a team twice and then getting stomped by 15-man ring teams on the third battle for the flip -- essentially making our efforts a complete waste of time. But, these experiences actually improved us as a team to be more prepared the next time that same team shows up. Using ringers against you is a nod to the skill YOU have as a team, and you should take it as a compliment they have to rely on help to win in the first place.

Ringer usage can't be avoided, but inhibited. Lower the reward for ringers in lower tier zones, lower the chance of seeing them. In its current state, PC payouts are really what the lower tier should be - as there is almost no profit margin for proto users. With this low payout setup, low-tier teams will be encouraged to use proto sparingly and instead focus on tactics and teamwork as they battle each other to improve their overall skill. You simply can't remove the merc aspect of the game, but make it less lucrative for top guys to participate in low-tier affairs.

As we are both aware, our own corps like to bring our own 16 if we can always. 0.H loves to see ringers on the other side I personally don't care if others bring ringers.

I can't speak for your CORP chat but I can speak for mine. We have a lot of ppl who love to ring and will do so for many who ask.

But if we are talking about noob corp 1 vs noob corp 2 and one of those has 16 of there own and the other has 6 0.H on their team those are going to be tough odds to beat. It can be done but very experienced PC vets in a noob match will be tough to beat.

I do agree however that to get better you have to play better teams. And no there isn't ringers for every battle in MH and if its only the strong survive so be it. Every corp I've been in only fields their own. That's why Cap Aq and 0.H are so strong.
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