Shep, I think you should start an FC school for noob FCs. I'd be willing to bet they would learn some things lol.

It just frustrates me when people blame the stagnation or inability to enjoy on ringers. Too many simply give up, and don't even try. I mean I've seen a team of awesome players lose with the lack of a quality FC. Take the same team and throw in good FC and it totally changes.

We can carebear the players newer to PC, but there's certainly nothing we can do about poor organization or leadership. No amount of carebearing (in fact it would be detrimental) would fix that. I'm totally for getting them started, yet eventually they have to learn to walk on their own.

In the end, if only corps members were allowed to participate in a battle, what stops a corp from hiring out stronger corps to take their district back for them. Or simply wiping them off the map. Should we make it then that only a weaker corp can attack a weaker corp. Tier out molden heath maybe, so you will ever have an easy time of it or a fair fight.

Considering the spirit of new eden continues to translate to Dust 514, this would never happen. And honestly, unless you matchmade PC matches, there will always be an imbalance for skill much like we had before the matchmaking for pubs. Ringing is most certainly NOT the problem.

Yes, I PC. I PC quite a bit in the past (multiple wars, mercenary work, etc) but since joining NF I've sort of trailed off the PC end of things because we're mostly mercenaries who work for pay and... Well, work isn't exactly bustling at the moment

Where does that come from? A long standing history of watching OH attack corporations in their own alliance and other corporations completely out of the blue O.o;

Honestly, I think that as ringers are so widely used, it is pointless. Say you gave A a district, B goes to fight thinking they are of similr calibre. A hires PC veterans, B brings its own players and loses. So not a fair fight, nor honest. Or, another scenario, you give A a district, other big corp goes oh easy fight, takes.

The ringer mechanic has broken PC, the low playerbase has left PC broken. Certain players e-peens have left PC broken

Pointless in my opinion

I will attempt to address the concerns raised since my last post as best as I can.

Since we have removed the fact that this isn't a political move with ISK motivation, the accusation diverts to some sort of PR "save face". I am still unclear as to where your misguided prejudice towards me derives from, considering we have never formally/personally interacted in any form or fashion whatsoever prior to this date. Simple as this: I have zero to gain from you being happy with what my organization or I do. To say that pursuing public approval from a video game population is somehow my goal is a complete farce, and you should contemplate the actual purpose of your statements. Rather, point out the possible faults within the system to assist in creating one with practicality.

Ringer usage can't be avoided, but inhibited. Lower the reward for ringers in lower tier zones, lower the chance of seeing them. In its current state, PC payouts are really what the lower tier should be - as there is almost no profit margin for proto users. With this low payout setup, low-tier teams will be encouraged to use proto sparingly and instead focus on tactics and teamwork as they battle each other to improve their overall skill. You simply can't remove the merc aspect of the game, but make it less lucrative for top guys to participate in low-tier affairs.

We had to play the same game, beating a team twice and then getting stomped by 15-man ring teams on the third battle for the flip -- essentially making our efforts a complete waste of time. But, these experiences actually improved us as a team to be more prepared the next time that same team shows up. Using ringers against you is a nod to the skill YOU have as a team, and you should take it as a compliment they have to rely on help to win in the first place.

This proposed "Security Counsel" aka "Player-controlled CONCORD" is pretty much what's been going on this entire time. However, it has been abused in the past or completely neglected altogether at the detriment of smaller or less experienced corps. Nevertheless, it is still the case that those at the top essentially police MH in what way they see fit. I can say, that those I communicate with on a daily basis that have the power to manipulate MH have no apparent desire to do so in a malicious manner that benefits them.

Thanks for the feedback so far, keep it up

I used to say this before.

In the army when you deploy into an area there's a transition with the unit that's currently operating there. They call it "right seat ride", where you go on missions together to pass down the intricacies of the area of operation.

Tell a CEO how you want two squads composed and then you bring in a vet squad with an FC to go into a battle. Do an after action critique, rinse and repeat.

Then I'd have a few of the key players play with the vet group in a PC to see how it all comes together.

Alliance Corps should not be called Ringers!
In a Alliance many little Corps Work for the Good of the Alliance.
We are a Team and we still retain our identity of our small Corps that we have created years ago,We are not willing to leave and join Mega Corps just to attain the SIZE to fight in PC 2.0

Shep, I think you should start an FC school for noob FCs. I'd be willing to bet they would learn some things lol.

I know its not the complete picture, but I have plenty of matches on my channel where Shep FCs.

It's smarter in the upcoming system to merge. With activity you'd earn CP to attack and clone packs will be cheap.

These Capital tryhards took Mithril Forge last 2 districts so yeah,noone likes you and your band of tryhards. But it doesn't matter,you will lose all when PC version of Dust comes out.And then my dear gentlemen,you will face true terror of mouse and keyboard veterans like myself and there will be no Minmatard strafing that will save you from the eyes and reflex of a true PC user :) Every scrub is afraid of that,and 5that's why they want it to be moved on PS4...

I know its not the complete picture, but I have plenty of matches on my channel where Shep FCs.

Honestly, I think the main problem is reception. I've toyed with the idea of entering my corp into PC, and the 1 major concern is not the ringers, or even the costs, it's the fact that you see the squads of established PC corps in pubs, and many of them are just bastards to fight against. Camping uplinks, people exploiting broken/unbalance mechanics, hard to fight against packs of FotM. All I can think is that my corp made up of my friends would love to test our mettle against these corps, but if we can't just run the fun fits we made, and instead have to run full anti-frustrating-tactics fits, it quickly looses its appeal. I'd much rather avoid the stress of fighting a large, talent pooling group of people with functionally unlimited money, doing stuff that makes them unfun to fight against. No point when even if I win a district, and even if I can defend it every day when I don't have the billions of isk to hire alliance ringers/purchase clone packs. I'll stick to running pubs with my friends, with the occasional FW to mix it up.

Here are 2 PR points that you OH and CA guys don't seem to get. I keep seeing venom in the responses as an indicator.

1. Stop talking about ringers.
- Everyone who was in PCs during some of the worst times has terrible experience with the billboard corps bringing in 14 ringers for the smash, being farmed, or having ringers from like allied or like corps **** people off. I saw more people leave corps due to ringing or leveraging ringers than any other driving force.
- You don't know the problem from where you are. Just be quiet about this issue. It is an issue or everyone wouldn't be so fing mad about it. Just acknowledge it is a problem, mention how it is less prevalent now (it is), and don't brow beat people for suffering from it.
- If you don't get this point then come meet me in any COD and I will ride you all day and you tell me if you hate my guts because I use exploits like crazy.

2. Focus on this being brand new. New corps don't see the past as rosy.
- The past exploits of the CBM is full of corruption.
- Focus on this being your new legacy and drive home how this is a new day and you are marshaling in the next era of PC with the top position driving for a new player controlled PC.
- You won't win districts for everyone, but you will start off as many "New" corps as you can into PC is the message.
- Your previous message about you gaining nothing is a good start but people will mistrust that post. Focus on why you are doing this. Everyone has motives. I think if you talked about them that would tell everyone see where you are coming from.
PC is an empty battlefield lately and this saddens you
Your corp has a bad rap just like Nyain San used to and you want to be better than that
Dust is losing player base and you have vested lots into the game and want to retain people in PC

Just a couple of suggestions. Like I said before, I support this movement but it requires new corps to risk everything (A few bad fights could burn out members and then the corp folds) on a benefactor they don't necessarily know. You are giving out district you don't even fight on so it costs you so very little. Think of new corps perspective.

Can you give some examples where the CBM was corrupt.

Also if you think the CBM was made to help PC it was not. CBM was made after a late night PC and a group of friends decided to have some fun. We never intended to actually do anything serious. After a while people started asking for help doing some stuff so we did what we could to make a good mix of philanthropy along side having fun so it would not be completely boring for us.

Also second question what did the CBM set out to do and how did they fail.


Because if you are comparing what shep is doing to what the CBM did you are off base on a few things.

Well then PC simply is not for you guys. It's not about running around doing silly things. its about playing to get the win.

Viktor - Sorry to call the CBM corrupt.
I never saw a charter for the CBM but I do know from some of my friend's corps I used to help (Not giving names) that they would fight against a corp who instigated a fight, then be beaten down after violating the last district policy while avenging same said offense performed by the corp.
I was told the last district rule was started by the CBM and the enforcement is as always political. All politics involve some people lying and exploiting facts, hence my corruption correlation.

There may be exceptions and probably good intentions that were involved. This is a game of battle and some perception is spread through people being angry they lost. There were other comments earlier about the CBM not being effective in the thread you did not respond to.
Just curious why you called out mine? My statement wasn't even made for you but discussing general perceptions and helping top corps with PR.

If I am at all wrong this was my ignorance entirely. But I know my view is a bit of the shared perception. The CBM has never harmed me directly. If the CBM was trying to police PC, like I hear it was trying to perform, then it would be considered failing right? Dude, you told another corp they shouldn't PC because they don't try super hard and you can't take a little failure comment. If you become a CPM be careful. Those guys received some serious flaming at times. Like character attacks.

Sometimes the sandbox delivers!

I have been informed that some of you have a bad opinion of my organization, or me personally. To be honest, I never expected to be in the position that I am in...nor to have the responsibilities that come with it. I remember clearly coming from the bottom, fighting against the powers that be, and struggling to earn our right among the rest. I will spare you the memoir.

I am not a carebear (completely). I WANT you to struggle, to desire more, to strive for improvement. The hardest aspects of PC itself is what challenges both the player and the team in its entirety, and those with the fortitude to carry on build the bonds that make this game.....well, the game I love. To fully experience the single most dynamic component of DUST514, I believe you MUST participate in the competitive field and test your valor.

However, in PC's current state, it appears assistance is necessary to uplift the majority of "up and comers" (and those whose previous attempts have met with failure) and give them a chance. My current plan is to segregate, as best I can, corps based on tiers into corresponding constellations within Molden Heath (there are 6 constellations total). To begin, the lowest tiers will be provided a district free-of-charge in a specific constellation. This way, they can essentially "have it out" in fair fights with corps of similar skill in close proximity with each other without any disruption by corps of obviously higher skill.

So far, I have some top-tier corps that agree not to interfere with this course of action, and will devote resources toward construction of this system.

This thread is meant to gather corp names that wish to take part in this PC reformation, and be given their district. Also, relevant and coherent feedback would be appreciated.

I ask that only corp leaders make any attempt to contact me in game, that I may extradite this plan swiftly.

Shep

I called out your post because i was not really keep up with this thread that actively because of real life stuff and when i logged on your post was the most recent.


Last district rule was made preCBM era but all of the CBM corps supported it to some extent. But it was not policed by the CBM it was policed by the corps within the CBM. the reasoning behind that is that the last district rule was never made to be policed by a single entity(like the CBM) it was meant to be policed by the community. Thats why i say the corps in the CBM enforced the last district rule as part of their duty to the community not as a duty to the CBM.

The one and only if i remember correctly CBM went out to do is stop district farming and encourage fighting instead of having districts locked 24/7. District farming was even an after thought of the CBM it was orginally created as a joke with no real purpose. There are many things that people think we set out to do and did incorrectly but they are wrong and during the era of CBM we generally did not correct them because we did not care to much what others thought of us at the time.