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el OPERATOR
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
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Posted - 2015.06.12 17:48:00 -
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The majority of negative responses in here toward Shepherd on this topic are completely off. The previous Parks and Recreations Project which released land wholesale first-come first-served was an initiative created in part by Shepherd's desire for more, newer, groups to have an avenue into Molden Heath and PC.
Yes, CAP wars. It's a fundamental there. But at the executive level it's not an irresponsible "clone anything that moves" ethic. There is an accountablity litmus at work there also.
The naysayers also need to realize that any effort like this is only partially an effort on the part of the initiators. The greater effort comes from the participants. Those who see an opportunity and can capitalize on it without delving into exploitation or abuse of it. This could be a real good thing for everyone. Provided everyone, as much as can be arranged, can adhere to whatever basic structurals are needed.
Good Luck, Shepherd Grey and all the others who are and who choose to be involved in this. You know you have my support.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.06.12 17:57:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Sometimes the sandbox delivers!
It always does, given time.
That guy thats advising you're probably better off not being involved? He's probably worth listening to.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.06.12 18:25:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:
Even if we all agree and do this we still have to rely on CCP to fix the incentive in PC...those who know me know I hate relying on others but Ratpat has done good so far..who knows maybe this game still has a chance
Agreed, nothing that I saw in the last 2 years of tracking PC killed it faster than the pay changes a couple months back. Hell, that bs killed PC and general active playerbase activity. Killing farm exploits was one thing, killing pay overall tho? dumb dumb dumb.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.06.12 19:00:00 -
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SHERIFF joe arapio wrote:JIMvc2 wrote:SHERIFF joe arapio wrote:JIMvc2 wrote:Starlight Burner wrote:This is quite interesting to read... If this holds true and happens without fail, my personal grudge against Cap Acq will change.
I like your idea and hope it all goes well. I don't have a problem with Cap Acq but I DO have a problem against those Nyan Syan (misspelled) those pricks think they are all badass = NO THEY ARE ******* NOT!! If they aren't badazz ...why are you crying about them in this thread for no reason. Get rekt fgt. Please point to where the Nyain's touched you? Why don't you go and comment somewhere else. Sick and tired of seeing your stupid name and even your corp name. I bet you don't even play the game since, you love to troll here. Go troll on BuggyField 4 ok.  Kids will be kids and you acting just like one. LOL Oh baby gurl,,did I hurt your feelings again? I am very sorry. You wanna hug it out? Hugs and midol always helps your types. I love playing skylanders swap force or trap team. Nyains must of reallly pushed your sh!t in good for you to still be crying about it. They have given away so many districts. Let me guess, you run solo and becuz Nyains run in organized squads and rekt you ,,,you got to QQ like a woman. Well come here darlin,, I got a corner you can go turn tricks on.
Danger, Will Robinson! Thread derail imminent, change course!
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.06.12 19:47:00 -
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LOL KILLZ wrote:Hell NO!!! I've been shown NO mercy by the Mercs in so called TOP TIER CORPS. So I will thoroughly enjoy returning the favor by taking districts with my Amigos. See you all very,very, soon.
This is not a diss on anybody but I want no handouts. I've worked my way up and saved up so much damn ISK just to be told I'm going to get it for free.
I'll assume this also includes no "handouts" in the form of rules changes that come from CCP/Mr Anderson directly.
You are actually most empowered right now, from what you describe, since just 10M buys you a clonepack you can launch at anywhere, from anywhere, at any time.
So, quit talking and start doing! Molden Heath eagerly awaits you!
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.06.12 20:28:00 -
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Jade Dragonis wrote:So basically since PC owning corps can make enough money from broken mechanics they have to get paid to play? lol.....
Could you clarify/expand on this? I think I see what you're getting at but am unsure...
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.06.12 20:59:00 -
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LOL KILLZ wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:LOL KILLZ wrote:Hell NO!!! I've been shown NO mercy by the Mercs in so called TOP TIER CORPS. So I will thoroughly enjoy returning the favor by taking districts with my Amigos. See you all very,very, soon.
This is not a diss on anybody but I want no handouts. I've worked my way up and saved up so much damn ISK just to be told I'm going to get it for free. I'll assume this also includes no "handouts" in the form of rules changes that come from CCP/Mr Anderson directly. You are actually most empowered right now, from what you describe, since just 10M buys you a clonepack you can launch at anywhere, from anywhere, at any time. So, quit talking and start doing! Molden Heath eagerly awaits you! I am not just talking, Me lost my first Attack on a district  I'll have one and I will WIN IT.
Good Man, props to you o7
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.06.12 21:04:00 -
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Jade Dragonis wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Jade Dragonis wrote:So basically since PC owning corps can make enough money from broken mechanics they have to get paid to play? lol.....
Could you clarify/expand on this? I think I see what you're getting at but am unsure... With the new mechanics that CCP are bringing in Cap Acc wont be able to hold all the districts they currently hold. By selling them then helping the new corps fight they are still making loads of cash without having to hold the actual district. This seems a little desperate from them though. But to each his own.
I'm not involved with the internals on this effort so am NO authority on how it will proceed BUT there wasn't anything in the OP about corps purchasing districts to participate. I think the reference to compensation was to existing groups that may need relocation so the areas can be consolidated.
If Shepherd wanted to extort isk from newberries it would've started a loooong time ago.
But, again, I'm not involved in the internals of the whole thing currently and can only comment with an outside perspective based from prior inside experience.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.06.12 21:22:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:Disclaimer: I'm not a PC vet by no means and only offering a barely educated opinion... (Simply put, if you don't like what I have to say STFU)
Sounds like the top 1% is getting board of fighting each other, so how about they form the
Dust Concord Coalition or DCC
It can be a newmeta game allowing top corps to police molded heath as they see fit.
There will be prejudices, favoritism, and maybe perhaps even a little honor. All it would need to begin is for the top 5 powers to form the Security Counsel and they can choose when and if to act.
Corps acting outside of the counsel's preferences may or may not get they're attention and/or motivate them to act. This will add another layer to the metagame for those devious corps to pay off the right people...
And perhaps each of the members of the security counsel can be given over watch of a section of molden Heath. Each member can then have other strong corps who could agree to support the counsels efforts.
"We may have our differences, our wars, and our prejudices, but we must be willing to unite for our common good in these times of need to police our systems because God knows Concord won't."
-some random dumbass-
AKA me
The Top 1% do have the ISK and skills to patrol molden heath, they only need the leaders to orchestrate it. Let's out these "ringers to work as Peace Keepers
Red Meat> Donuts.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.06.12 21:38:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Jade Dragonis wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Jade Dragonis wrote:So basically since PC owning corps can make enough money from broken mechanics they have to get paid to play? lol.....
Could you clarify/expand on this? I think I see what you're getting at but am unsure... With the new mechanics that CCP are bringing in Cap Acc wont be able to hold all the districts they currently hold. By selling them then helping the new corps fight they are still making loads of cash without having to hold the actual district. This seems a little desperate from them though. But to each his own. I'm not involved with the internals on this effort so am NO authority on how it will proceed BUT there wasn't anything in the OP about corps purchasing districts to participate. I think the reference to compensation was to existing groups that may need relocation so the areas can be consolidated. If Shepherd wanted to extort isk from newberries it would've started a loooong time ago. But, again, I'm not involved in the internals of the whole thing currently and can only comment with an outside perspective based from prior inside experience. I would assume myself that this isn't what's happening. We have plenty of isk, why would we need more. Shep has always seemed more interested in the battles, not extorting money from smaller corps for personal gain.
^That.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.06.12 21:45:00 -
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Bright Steel wrote:el OPERATOR wrote:Bright Steel wrote:Disclaimer: I'm not a PC vet by no means and only offering a barely educated opinion... (Simply put, if you don't like what I have to say STFU)
Sounds like the top 1% is getting board of fighting each other, so how about they form the
Dust Concord Coalition or DCC
It can be a newmeta game allowing top corps to police molded heath as they see fit.
There will be prejudices, favoritism, and maybe perhaps even a little honor. All it would need to begin is for the top 5 powers to form the Security Counsel and they can choose when and if to act.
Corps acting outside of the counsel's preferences may or may not get they're attention and/or motivate them to act. This will add another layer to the metagame for those devious corps to pay off the right people...
And perhaps each of the members of the security counsel can be given over watch of a section of molden Heath. Each member can then have other strong corps who could agree to support the counsels efforts.
"We may have our differences, our wars, and our prejudices, but we must be willing to unite for our common good in these times of need to police our systems because God knows Concord won't."
-some random dumbass-
AKA me
The Top 1% do have the ISK and skills to patrol molden heath, they only need the leaders to orchestrate it. Let's out these "ringers to work as Peace Keepers Red Meat> Donuts. For it to work the top corps must be willing to challenge each other but at the same time be willing to have temporary cease fire to address concerns that may require a strong hand. Even if that means several members of the counsel have to slug another member in the jaw for screwing up.
Generally, what you're describing here, this occurs now and seems to be the sort of thing the OP is after.
Previously what you were describing has been shown historically to be very much a case of Art Imitating Life: The more layers of bureaucracy that exist, the farther from the original intent the results become.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.06.12 22:44:00 -
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Dust User wrote:Message Cuse Town333 in game for meetings regarding this thread.
The font on this needs to be bigger, IMO
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.06.16 19:03:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:
I don't get why people acting purely for themselves insist on sounding like they are supporting a cause.
Because they're petty and childish.
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.06.16 19:04:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Dalmont Legrand wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Something like this, needs to everyone on board.. so regarding TARTAVEN, the epeens need to be kept in your pants. It is not perfect, but it is a start, and I fully support a system for new corps, so when a new/undeveloped corp is given land, or even wants to come in and flip something, they can begin in a system with corps of similar skill levels, and progress.
I have tried something similar, intending to gain Osvetur as a EU PC zone.. as soon as QQuse was aware of this, he sent attacks to see it did not happen. After that I was not going to make a habit of building something the fat kids will break,
So if TARTAVEN is going to work, the supporters need to outnumber the trolls because no matter who sets this up, there will be trolls, the only way to defend vs that is if the community supports this proposal.
- As someone who has been on the receiving end from the corps involved, I urge more players to settle these differences.
Because this 'project' is not about Cap, or anyone else instigating it, it is about MH and making a 'safezone' where undeveloped corps can battle without having to deal with the scrubbiest of tryhards being you neighbours.
So to the players this may benefit, you can either hide under tinfoil hats and call BS on this..
Or you can get off your ass and be part of making the first healthy change to how MH functions (in my time)
No-one is being asked to buddy up, no-one is being asked for anything in return (bar respecting noobs in Tartaven)
Just take the fights somewhere else, leave this as the first step to growing PC, and draw blood/tears elsewhere You cannot trust those who break rules themselves, just by making few more. What is happening IMO is "I am bored and need attention. Hey, lets do pc faire so later we have someone to fight against.". Because what RUST intends is to have that all over MH, which is more than one place they aim and claim to make it a good bet. Yes I wasn't really present and aware, (my personal thanks to D1ck for doing nice in RUST btw, would be nice having you back in other circumstances) that some of our members decided to f..k our doctrine which is going to be epic buttocks warm-up from me, be sure. What is intended in our alliance is to join and have own land being a developing corp, aligned with developed ones, thing is nobody wants to play together because adversaries are needed, you can have them if you want but that needs LOWER BARRIERS TO ENTRY AND MORE SPACE NOT JUST MOLDEN HEATH. What Mr.Grey does is: tells he is so handsome in destroying a bigger opportunity just because he is not part of it and wants do some pathetic version of it. To do that he picks one of "valid" reasons that can be applied against his own company of comrades and applies publicly against us. How about joining RUST? This way we kill the dispute, give land to developing corps and have still pretty much a lot of enemies or no enemies at all, just sharing experience. If it is hardly imaginable for Mr. Grey then I must say this person cannot accept change and conditions in favour of those he claims to protect, sacrifice is hard but he is not the only one to do that. He has hard time doing that? Well if so maybe he is arrogant and wants to be "beloved" whilst destroying something better to have own ridicule version of it. Both sides are full of wrongdoings, however we do not deny it unlike them, and we tend to fix them, at least I do. Well, not joining RUST, which is a pretty good opportunity and way to influence easily "bad" corps, will show that Mr. Grey is showing off and is moved by his selfish ideals which will bring nothing but despair for those lads in future. If he has clear intention then he must contact me and we discuss that. D1ck, does it look to you now, like RUST is ready to settle difference and old fights for the commonwealth? Because for me it does. you are either crazy or just wrong pick one.
(E) All of the above
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el OPERATOR
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Posted - 2015.06.16 21:27:00 -
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Confirmed: Hard in head.
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