BTW, taking people's last/only districts is not a way to help... And people from the "big" PC corps being bored and ringing for anybody and helping them flip those districts also doesn't help. How are you planning to stop that? I've asked people to stop doing that ****, and they still do it anyway, because "bored".

Ringers don't win wars, corp teams do...

I haven't invested anything in PC (was a ringer before, however) because right now, it's just an ISK sink.

I'm speaking from both experience and common sense, which the rest of the community lacks: this is another one of the many threads that a powerful corp makes to stroke their e-peens, now with an added scam that even newer players should be able to see through.

My god the butt hurt is real in this thread.

Honestly, I never knew that ringers was such a hot topic issue in PC. I had one dude basically screaming at me like it's the most detrimental part of PC over in the PC discussion in the feedback section. And I see a ton here.

With the number of smaller corps involved in PC, are ringers seriously in every battle. Do the top corps really have that many people, that they can ring for smaller corps on a constant basis. I know many have been tied up with the war we had going on.

Am I wrong in assuming that perhaps the butthurt over ringers isn't nearly as bad as some make it out to be. Honestly, is every battle you have ever had in MH nothing but top corp ringers? I've been involved in many PC's over the years, and have never felt ringers were ever an issue.

Yes I've dealt with my fair share of "ringers", but more than anything poor communication, tactics, ect played a larger role in our loss than the people they brought to field. A great FC certainly makes a huge difference, and while Shep is quite the hard ***, he's def one of the best FC's around.

That's where I credit much of many corps success, leadership, in and out of battle. I've seen good teams, crumble, in the absence of their top dog FC. Great players are just one piece of the puzzle, and often times I feel good players play a much smaller part in the overall win, compared to what you have leading.

Honestly, get off the ringer crusade. With the advent of raiding (if done right) whenever new PC comes out, I'm hoping that corps are going to be more involved with their own holdings that they won't have the time to ring out for other battles.

Getting noobs into PC is all and good, and we can easily get them into it. Yet if they lack the drive or desire to do what it takes to hold that land, and give up the first time they see what they perceive as ringers, they clearly demonstrate they lack that desire or drive.

I well and understand that the noobs need a starting place, yet I have trouble believing that ringers magically appear in all the smaller corps PC's. I personally don't see how EVERY battle they ever did was comprised of "TOP CORP" ringers. Too many districts out there for this to hold true.

Even very good teams I've fought for cringed at the sight of ringers, starting this mentality that they are now going to lose because of it. It's pathetic, if you want to be a good and strong corp, then by god fight for it. I don't care if they brought the best team in dust, I'm going to put my full 110% into the fight. Win or lose, I'll come out better from it.

The main point though, if you aren't shooting for the top or giving your best effort, you don't belong. If one were to take a loss as the end, and view it as an impossibility for future because of ringers, then yes, get gud scrub. A strong corp that truly wanted to get a foothold in PC would take a loss, learn from it, and try again. I don't stand for quitters, man up or go home.

Want an easy time of it, PUBS and Factional are there. Want a challenge, then go PC. Learn from your mistakes and improve. We can hold their hands and carry them for a time, but eventually they have to learn to walk on their own. And if they lack the will to do so, then they never deserved it from the start.

If the top corps thought like this, they would have never made it to where they are.

Great deal of us earned our way into PC through virtual blood, tears, sleepless nights, and long periods of frustration. New Eden is a rough place. What they're doing is commendable, absolutely, but war is hell and there's nothing wrong with "making excuses for the problem". We made it - we're living proof that it can happen.

I know its not the complete picture, but I have plenty of matches on my channel where Shep FCs.