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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:

Balistyc Farshot wrote:

Here are 2 PR points that you OH and CA guys don't seem to get. I keep seeing venom in the responses as an indicator.

1. Stop talking about ringers.
- Everyone who was in PCs during some of the worst times has terrible experience with the billboard corps bringing in 14 ringers for the smash, being farmed, or having ringers from like allied or like corps **** people off. I saw more people leave corps due to ringing or leveraging ringers than any other driving force.
- You don't know the problem from where you are. Just be quiet about this issue. It is an issue or everyone wouldn't be so fing mad about it. Just acknowledge it is a problem, mention how it is less prevalent now (it is), and don't brow beat people for suffering from it.
- If you don't get this point then come meet me in any COD and I will ride you all day and you tell me if you hate my guts because I use exploits like crazy.

2. Focus on this being brand new. New corps don't see the past as rosy.
- The past exploits of the CBM is full of corruption.
- Focus on this being your new legacy and drive home how this is a new day and you are marshaling in the next era of PC with the top position driving for a new player controlled PC.
- You won't win districts for everyone, but you will start off as many "New" corps as you can into PC is the message.
- Your previous message about you gaining nothing is a good start but people will mistrust that post. Focus on why you are doing this. Everyone has motives. I think if you talked about them that would tell everyone see where you are coming from.
PC is an empty battlefield lately and this saddens you
Your corp has a bad rap just like Nyain San used to and you want to be better than that
Dust is losing player base and you have vested lots into the game and want to retain people in PC

Just a couple of suggestions. Like I said before, I support this movement but it requires new corps to risk everything (A few bad fights could burn out members and then the corp folds) on a benefactor they don't necessarily know. You are giving out district you don't even fight on so it costs you so very little. Think of new corps perspective.

Can you give some examples where the CBM was corrupt.

Also if you think the CBM was made to help PC it was not. CBM was made after a late night PC and a group of friends decided to have some fun. We never intended to actually do anything serious. After a while people started asking for help doing some stuff so we did what we could to make a good mix of philanthropy along side having fun so it would not be completely boring for us.

Also second question what did the CBM set out to do and how did they fail.

Because if you are comparing what shep is doing to what the CBM did you are off base on a few things.

"Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!" Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?


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Balistyc Farshot MONSTER SYNERGY 222	Posted - 2015.06.12 20:07:00 - [1] - Quote PC is in shambles due to the ringers farming isk not the entry expense issue. The CP portion should fix that a bit. Sorry, but CA can't fix this but I am glad to see their CEO has the nuts to come forth and acknowledge that there is a problem and his corp is going to try and clean it up. Applaud him and pity him because he is taking on a lot. CA - Piece of advice on this though. Don't ever claim to be saints in PC though. Your hands are dirty like everyone else. You are just trying to clean up the mess is the best stance. (IMO) "Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!" Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?
Balistyc Farshot MONSTER SYNERGY 224	Posted - 2015.06.15 14:45:00 - [2] - Quote Silver Strike44 wrote: Al the destroyer wrote: Shep, I think you should start an FC school for noob FCs. I'd be willing to bet they would learn some things lol. I know its not the complete picture, but I have plenty of matches on my channel where Shep FCs. I think this would be a step in the correct direction. As a past FC I can tell you it is a hard thankless job. You spend tons of time on your mini map and still have to fight and direct 3 squads of people. Whenever things hit the fan, you have to turn into the ahole who yells at everyone to shut-up and give intelligent information over comms. People talk about FW training but that is almost impossible because usually you steam roll the other team and learn so little about a real PC battle where you may be fighting out of one CRU. I miss PFC a little for training and I think CCP should read this demand for training. That is where I learned the most about how to counter some steep odds with less mercs. "Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!" Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?
Balistyc Farshot MONSTER SYNERGY 224	Posted - 2015.06.15 15:50:00 - [3] - Quote Here are 2 PR points that you OH and CA guys don't seem to get. I keep seeing venom in the responses as an indicator. 1. Stop talking about ringers. - Everyone who was in PCs during some of the worst times has terrible experience with the billboard corps bringing in 14 ringers for the smash, being farmed, or having ringers from like allied or like corps **** people off. I saw more people leave corps due to ringing or leveraging ringers than any other driving force. - You don't know the problem from where you are. Just be quiet about this issue. It is an issue or everyone wouldn't be so fing mad about it. Just acknowledge it is a problem, mention how it is less prevalent now (it is), and don't brow beat people for suffering from it. - If you don't get this point then come meet me in any COD and I will ride you all day and you tell me if you hate my guts because I use exploits like crazy. 2. Focus on this being brand new. New corps don't see the past as rosy. - The past exploits of the CBM is full of corruption. - Focus on this being your new legacy and drive home how this is a new day and you are marshaling in the next era of PC with the top position driving for a new player controlled PC. - You won't win districts for everyone, but you will start off as many "New" corps as you can into PC is the message. - Your previous message about you gaining nothing is a good start but people will mistrust that post. Focus on why you are doing this. Everyone has motives. I think if you talked about them that would tell everyone see where you are coming from. PC is an empty battlefield lately and this saddens you Your corp has a bad rap just like Nyain San used to and you want to be better than that Dust is losing player base and you have vested lots into the game and want to retain people in PC Just a couple of suggestions. Like I said before, I support this movement but it requires new corps to risk everything (A few bad fights could burn out members and then the corp folds) on a benefactor they don't necessarily know. You are giving out district you don't even fight on so it costs you so very little. Think of new corps perspective. "Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!" Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?
Balistyc Farshot MONSTER SYNERGY 224	Posted - 2015.06.15 17:39:00 - [4] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Balistyc Farshot wrote: Here are 2 PR points that you OH and CA guys don't seem to get. I keep seeing venom in the responses as an indicator. 1. Stop talking about ringers. - Everyone who was in PCs during some of the worst times has terrible experience with the billboard corps bringing in 14 ringers for the smash, being farmed, or having ringers from like allied or like corps **** people off. I saw more people leave corps due to ringing or leveraging ringers than any other driving force. - You don't know the problem from where you are. Just be quiet about this issue. It is an issue or everyone wouldn't be so fing mad about it. Just acknowledge it is a problem, mention how it is less prevalent now (it is), and don't brow beat people for suffering from it. - If you don't get this point then come meet me in any COD and I will ride you all day and you tell me if you hate my guts because I use exploits like crazy. 2. Focus on this being brand new. New corps don't see the past as rosy. - The past exploits of the CBM is full of corruption. - Focus on this being your new legacy and drive home how this is a new day and you are marshaling in the next era of PC with the top position driving for a new player controlled PC. - You won't win districts for everyone, but you will start off as many "New" corps as you can into PC is the message. - Your previous message about you gaining nothing is a good start but people will mistrust that post. Focus on why you are doing this. Everyone has motives. I think if you talked about them that would tell everyone see where you are coming from. PC is an empty battlefield lately and this saddens you Your corp has a bad rap just like Nyain San used to and you want to be better than that Dust is losing player base and you have vested lots into the game and want to retain people in PC Just a couple of suggestions. Like I said before, I support this movement but it requires new corps to risk everything (A few bad fights could burn out members and then the corp folds) on a benefactor they don't necessarily know. You are giving out district you don't even fight on so it costs you so very little. Think of new corps perspective. Can you give some examples where the CBM was corrupt. Also if you think the CBM was made to help PC it was not. CBM was made after a late night PC and a group of friends decided to have some fun. We never intended to actually do anything serious. After a while people started asking for help doing some stuff so we did what we could to make a good mix of philanthropy along side having fun so it would not be completely boring for us. Also second question what did the CBM set out to do and how did they fail. Because if you are comparing what shep is doing to what the CBM did you are off base on a few things. Viktor - Sorry to call the CBM corrupt. I never saw a charter for the CBM but I do know from some of my friend's corps I used to help (Not giving names) that they would fight against a corp who instigated a fight, then be beaten down after violating the last district policy while avenging same said offense performed by the corp. I was told the last district rule was started by the CBM and the enforcement is as always political. All politics involve some people lying and exploiting facts, hence my corruption correlation. There may be exceptions and probably good intentions that were involved. This is a game of battle and some perception is spread through people being angry they lost. There were other comments earlier about the CBM not being effective in the thread you did not respond to. Just curious why you called out mine? My statement wasn't even made for you but discussing general perceptions and helping top corps with PR. If I am at all wrong this was my ignorance entirely. But I know my view is a bit of the shared perception. The CBM has never harmed me directly. If the CBM was trying to police PC, like I hear it was trying to perform, then it would be considered failing right? Dude, you told another corp they shouldn't PC because they don't try super hard and you can't take a little failure comment. If you become a CPM be careful. Those guys received some serious flaming at times. Like character attacks. "Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!" Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?
Balistyc Farshot MONSTER SYNERGY 224	Posted - 2015.06.16 14:41:00 - [5] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I called out your post because i was not really keep up with this thread that actively because of real life stuff and when i logged on your post was the most recent. Last district rule was made preCBM era but all of the CBM corps supported it to some extent. But it was not policed by the CBM it was policed by the corps within the CBM. the reasoning behind that is that the last district rule was never made to be policed by a single entity(like the CBM) it was meant to be policed by the community. Thats why i say the corps in the CBM enforced the last district rule as part of their duty to the community not as a duty to the CBM. The one and only if i remember correctly CBM went out to do is stop district farming and encourage fighting instead of having districts locked 24/7. District farming was even an after thought of the CBM it was orginally created as a joke with no real purpose. There are many things that people think we set out to do and did incorrectly but they are wrong and during the era of CBM we generally did not correct them because we did not care to much what others thought of us at the time. You do know I have to call you out now? You are a CPM candidate and you talk both ways already. You should have come forth with a way better response than this IMO. You tote the CBM, but say it was a joke. You guard the charter or direction but say you did not fail or do anything wrong because you were aimless but were a gathering of powerful corps. You should have stuck to the, "We tried to enforce some order in PC. People got ruffled. Maybe I can make a difference in the CPM speech." Failure is ok, as long as you learn from it.Otherwise you come off as the person trying to be the try hard, "I fail nothing! It was all on purpose." "Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!" Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?