This i agree with this u might already have it set up for the corp and allance set up when u bring that play with the corp part as a place were the corp member can train and see how to work together as a team

do not give extra sp or isk for it at the same token do not take there gear away when they die

in a persistant and open world vr training does not make sense to me its basically the equivalent of your merc staying home and playing on the computer if you no what i mean. quick example someone mentioned a vr gun range, the way i would like to see it done would be some sort of public gun range located in the eve universe where any body could go and practice and compete based on speed, acuracy and what not hell you could even have the targets shoot back and kill you.
plus you have to remember there is going to be a market that relies on stuff getting blown up

Would rather have time spent on gladiator arenas being developed than training facilities.

why does it need to be public?
u are a MERCENARY corp.
What Army doesnt have private facilities to train?

who said stuff wont be gettin blown up?
Ppl will have to actually play matches to skill up and get ISK so if they want their character to keep advancing they need to actually get on the public matches and play.

then that defeats the purpose of training with your corp mates
why would u got to a public training area to practice strats and show randoms/possible enemies?

just doesnt make sense imo

lol can u read that was a quick example for something like a gunrange in hisec if you wana practice large scale combat do it on your own planet that you own. me thinks you dont understand the concept of a persistant open world.
so i will just say it please for the love of god ccp no private instances, dont cater to this new breed of filthy carebare

lol can u read that was a quick example for something like a gunrange in hisec if you wana practice large scale combat do it on your own planet that you own. me thinks you dont understand the concept of a persistant open world.
so i will just say it please for the love of god ccp no private instances, dont cater to this new breed of filthy carebare

clearly not understanding

lol @ callin me a carebear
dont know me very well but its ok, not your fault.

no you dont understand, im actually agreeing with you on what you want just you want vr where nothing is lost or gained i would rather see it done the way eve does it and im sorry for calling you a filthy carebear

then it defeats the purpose of training
if u are not gettin SPs or ISK via the training already but losing stuff that makes no sense and if u have rewards ppl will use it to boost.

So me and my corp gonna practice with proto fits and have a big battle and then have no rewards thats not very smart ppl wont even bother with it.

Ppl gotta understand what works in EVE wont always work in a SHOOTER.
Also the entire thing is about uppin the standard of play if u do like u are suggesting and attach a cost but no reward scrub clans wont ever try to get better, they wont bother with the training, the standard of play will still be low because ppl will resort to the good ole "hey lets pile everyone down 1 flank" aka zerg rush.

When i see a Zerg Rush that shows me the enemy is out of ideas and/or desperate. I wanna see good tactical play and good challenging fights, easy wins are never appealing to me i like to work and earn it. Thus these proposed VR training rooms will provide ppl a place to train Specific parts of their game which in turn makes avg ppl better thus uppin the competition lvl thus more fun for me playing against more good clans.


CCP i'll say this to u now.......DONT make the mistake other high profile games have made recently by not including a way to train. Tutorials are all well and nice for ppl picking up the game for the 1st time but u need more than just that

lolMAG no private setting, zerg rush is used by all clans as the go to tactic, standard of play low

Killzone 3 no private setting at launch (patched in months after the game died) standard of play low, ppl just runnin around like tdm in an obj mode

lolSOCOM 4 no party system or private setting at launch.....same as above. Zipper out of business now due to 2 high profile failures (MAG and SOCOM)

lolBF3 none at launch either, standard of play is again low, after it was added competition lvl rised

Any serious Competitive clan u are trying to lure to DUST will require this as some clans take practice seriously, some semi-serious. People like being prepared. It also provides a place for competitive clans to properly tryout recruits. Any pubstar can dominate unorganised randoms in a hisec pubmatch, make an impression against the clan u trying out for is a much better way to test recruits and is actually the way we test new recruits. Show us u can hang with us or do better than us not how u do against randoms in pubs.

the best reason i can give against vr is that nothing is lost, and i will admit i know nothing about economics but this cant be good thing for the market coz it would create low demand making everything dirt cheap if anyone knows better feel free to corect me. as for the you dont own any planets the npc corps could have a home planet so to speak which would make sense where you and your friends can try out fits and tactics but just like every body else in new eden you lose what you use

Great idea. Possibly very complicated to implement for the developers. Maybe something that could be done further down the road a bit, after the game is released.

It also bears mentioning that they've confirmed some sort of PvE versus drones or something. I forget the specifics. Having that would probably be sufficient to practice individual player's skills, but probably wouldn't do much to help corps practice strategy and coordination.

EDIT: Degren your argument does not make sense. Consider the largest persistent game universe ever made: EVE. There are A LOT of PvE missions and things that you can do to practice, learn game mechanics, and make some ISK when you are first starting out. This idea does have a precedent in the MMO world, and its in a game made by CCP!!!

One key difference is that in EVE you definitely had to use/spend your equipment in order to do these missions/training.

This is a request for a feature to be included making proper training modes/areas and not just basic tutorials in the release of the game or at least very soon after.

VR Training (Solo/Corp/Alliance perspective)

In a game like this with where ISK efficiency, Preparation, Strategy, Skill are all important i'd like to share my thoughts on a DETAILED IN-DEPTH VR Training area for all levels of players whether it be solo, corp, alliance.


This game requires gun game, not everyone has it and some who have potential can get alot better at it and even those who are good at it can use this suggested VR arena to stay sharp/warmup/even improve.

Octagon:
Taking a note from the Halo Gametype Octagon, this is a great 1v1, 2v2 arena where players can work on their aim, strafing etc which are all basic components which make up 1v1 and 2v2 small combat.

This arena should be able for a solo guy to do it 1v1 with different difficulty bots if he has no friends or just prefers it solo or have the option to invite friends and practice against them. As a competitive player one way i've always found myself to constantly keep improving is playing against better players and this VR mode the better players of a corp can train/practice with the weaker ones helping them improve their overall shot and strafe.


Team:
This VR arena should be just as its entitled a place where your Corp/alliance, as a whole (24v24), can run practice games, work on strats etc. This arena should be simulating what a real match would be like.


Vehicle:
This VR arena as the name suggests is strictly vehicle based. No one wants to spend a bunch of ISK on a dropship, tank, etc without knowing how the controls are and if its even worth it. People can practice Tank warfare, Tank and Dropship Warfare and strats.
With Fighters also confirmed as well this is a great arena where pilots will be able to dogfight against one another to keep their skills sharp and also improve.


Note:
NO SPs or ISK will be rewarded via these VR training areas, the only reward should be you knowing you are improving individually and team wise.

Reason an IN-DEPTH training area will be ideal is that PUB matches arent a good place to actually get better and practice, from my experience in various games public matches u dont even need tactics to beat an unorganised bunch of randomly assembled players on the other team. Its this reason why zerg tactics/rushes were the go to tactic on games like MAG. Why get better and improve the overall standard of play when you can just zerg objectives against randoms and win?

I'd like to see alot of high level play and tactics involved in DUST but CCP will need to provide the tools to encourage that and this VR Training Arena is one way they can do it.

This is a request for a feature to be included making proper training modes/areas and not just basic tutorials in the release of the game or at least very soon after.

VR Training (Solo/Corp/Alliance perspective)

In a game like this with where ISK efficiency, Preparation, Strategy, Skill are all important i'd like to share my thoughts on a DETAILED IN-DEPTH VR Training area for all levels of players whether it be solo, corp, alliance.


This game requires gun game, not everyone has it and some who have potential can get alot better at it and even those who are good at it can use this suggested VR arena to stay sharp/warmup/even improve.

Octagon:
Taking a note from the Halo Gametype Octagon, this is a great 1v1, 2v2 arena where players can work on their aim, strafing etc which are all basic components which make up 1v1 and 2v2 small combat.

This arena should be able for a solo guy to do it 1v1 with different difficulty bots if he has no friends or just prefers it solo or have the option to invite friends and practice against them. As a competitive player one way i've always found myself to constantly keep improving is playing against better players and this VR mode the better players of a corp can train/practice with the weaker ones helping them improve their overall shot and strafe.


Team:
This VR arena should be just as its entitled a place where your Corp/alliance, as a whole (24v24), can run practice games, work on strats etc. This arena should be simulating what a real match would be like.


Vehicle:
This VR arena as the name suggests is strictly vehicle based. No one wants to spend a bunch of ISK on a dropship, tank, etc without knowing how the controls are and if its even worth it. People can practice Tank warfare, Tank and Dropship Warfare and strats.
With Fighters also confirmed as well this is a great arena where pilots will be able to dogfight against one another to keep their skills sharp and also improve.


Note:
NO SPs or ISK will be rewarded via these VR training areas, the only reward should be you knowing you are improving individually and team wise.

Reason an IN-DEPTH training area will be ideal is that PUB matches arent a good place to actually get better and practice, from my experience in various games public matches u dont even need tactics to beat an unorganised bunch of randomly assembled players on the other team. Its this reason why zerg tactics/rushes were the go to tactic on games like MAG. Why get better and improve the overall standard of play when you can just zerg objectives against randoms and win?

I'd like to see alot of high level play and tactics involved in DUST but CCP will need to provide the tools to encourage that and this VR Training Arena is one way they can do it.

This is a request for a feature to be included making proper training modes/areas and not just basic tutorials in the release of the game or at least very soon after.

VR Training (Solo/Corp/Alliance perspective)

In a game like this with where ISK efficiency, Preparation, Strategy, Skill are all important i'd like to share my thoughts on a DETAILED IN-DEPTH VR Training area for all levels of players whether it be solo, corp, alliance.


This game requires gun game, not everyone has it and some who have potential can get alot better at it and even those who are good at it can use this suggested VR arena to stay sharp/warmup/even improve.

Octagon:
Taking a note from the Halo Gametype Octagon, this is a great 1v1, 2v2 arena where players can work on their aim, strafing etc which are all basic components which make up 1v1 and 2v2 small combat.

This arena should be able for a solo guy to do it 1v1 with different difficulty bots if he has no friends or just prefers it solo or have the option to invite friends and practice against them. As a competitive player one way i've always found myself to constantly keep improving is playing against better players and this VR mode the better players of a corp can train/practice with the weaker ones helping them improve their overall shot and strafe.


Team:
This VR arena should be just as its entitled a place where your Corp/alliance, as a whole (24v24), can run practice games, work on strats etc. This arena should be simulating what a real match would be like.


Vehicle:
This VR arena as the name suggests is strictly vehicle based. No one wants to spend a bunch of ISK on a dropship, tank, etc without knowing how the controls are and if its even worth it. People can practice Tank warfare, Tank and Dropship Warfare and strats.
With Fighters also confirmed as well this is a great arena where pilots will be able to dogfight against one another to keep their skills sharp and also improve.


Note:
NO SPs or ISK will be rewarded via these VR training areas, the only reward should be you knowing you are improving individually and team wise.

Reason an IN-DEPTH training area will be ideal is that PUB matches arent a good place to actually get better and practice, from my experience in various games public matches u dont even need tactics to beat an unorganised bunch of randomly assembled players on the other team. Its this reason why zerg tactics/rushes were the go to tactic on games like MAG. Why get better and improve the overall standard of play when you can just zerg objectives against randoms and win?

I'd like to see alot of high level play and tactics involved in DUST but CCP will need to provide the tools to encourage that and this VR Training Arena is one way they can do it.

great Idea I woulda loved to learn how to fly a dropship before trying in a match where it got shot down in like 10 sec I agree with the not losing anything in training because it would be VIRTUAL training but I would prefer if there was a small amount of skill points earned for this maybe a 2-3k low enough so it'd be stupid to spam but enough to permote training before going out into the real thing. and as was stated earlier maybe a way to scan enemy districts so your corp can run mock runs of their invasion and know the terrain before they invade.scaling difficulty bots to practice with new weapons... practice against different enemy tactics and try out new tactics all in a no risk zone. maybe have mock battles bettween members of your own corp to learn and grow as a team in a safe zone. no isk should be given out during this but as stated earlier a few k SP would be good cause it is training after all and your gaining skill as you train.... seeing how right now a good match for me nets me 50k SP and a eh match nets me 20k SP I don't see anything wrong with mock battles giving your 3k SP. just my 2 cents though

Yeah, new player here, but this is a good idea. I leave it to wiser heads than mine to figure out how to make it work in a realistic economy (the idea of paying to train makes sense to me).

This is a feature that organised gaming clans would definitely make use of.

[quote=Thomas Mills]great Idea I woulda loved to learn how to fly a dropship before trying in a match where it got shot down in like 10 sec I agree with the not losing anything in training because it would be VIRTUAL training but I would prefer if there was a small amount of skill points earned for this maybe a 2-3k low enough so it'd be stupid to spam but enough to permote training before going out into the real thing. and as was stated earlier maybe a way to scan enemy districts so your corp can run mock runs of their invasion and know the terrain before they invade.scaling difficulty bots to practice with new weapons... practice against different enemy tactics and try out new tactics all in a no risk zone. maybe have mock battles bettween members of your own corp to learn and grow as a team in a safe zone. no isk should be given out during this but as stated earlier a few k SP would be good cause it is training after all and your gaining skill as you train.... seeing how right now a good match for me nets me 50k SP and a eh match nets me 20k SP I don't see anything wrong with mock battles giving your 3k SP. just my 2 cents though

NO SPs earned.
This is pure training, dont need ppl using it to boost.
The reward is knowing you or your team are getting better

because training obviously doesn't make you more skillfull..... just a couple k points to give more reason to do it. you know how we are on 4x SP points right now make training -8x so we would barly get anything but we would get something out of it that way more people will do it because I donno how many people would do this if it ment no skill points at all I think extreamly reduced skill points is the way to go because after all you are training and it would be odd if you went to the shooting range and didn't learn anything about shooting a gun.....

*casual player alert!*

not sure if srs tbh.............
as i said NO SPs or ISK will be rewarded. If u dont wanna do it then fine, but competitive clans like to be organised and work on strats in a private setting, casuals obviously would not they would see no use for something like this unless they "get rewarded"

the purpose of VR training is NOT for u to farm SPs but instead get YOU as a player better, improving YOUR game not to get points to slot in a skill system and u still be terrible at tactics and gun game

Why do u think clans usually go in private servers and practice? because u cant do that properly in pubs with randoms and u dont need tactics to beat randoms. Im tryin to have tools in place to help elevate the overall standard of play

actualy I'm inbetween casual and hardcore.... but thanks for that.....lets agree to disagree... unless you can convince me training doesn't give you more skill..........I still think at like -8x regular SP gains no one in there right mind would grind VR training because you would get 8x the SP going to PvP. no isk is a givin not arguing that point but I still think that some SP should be givin I'll use it either way to get better at shooting and piloting vehicles having trouble navigating small roads with a tank(I think I just found the problem though....)

I love the idea of a VR training. Getting a feel for the weapon/vehicle before risking so much. In eve you can test fits against other corp mates or friend but no one will kill the other person but in the end you still pay for the repair of your ship after the little test fight.

They could include something as simple as a ISK fee per min/hour/death during the testing with out you losing the gear your testing. The person running the VR facility has got to make there money too right (even if its a NPC)?

the best reason i can give against vr is that nothing is lost, and i will admit i know nothing about economics but this cant be good thing for the market coz it would create low demand making everything dirt cheap if anyone knows better feel free to corect me. as for the you dont own any planets the npc corps could have a home planet so to speak which would make sense where you and your friends can try out fits and tactics but just like every body else in new eden you lose what you use

ok I starting to understand what you mean but I don't think haveing extreamly reduced SP gains in VR training will encurage boosting lets use numbers this time something along the lines of 100k SP for a PvP match and the exact same thing in a VR match would net you 12k SP. maybe it's the fact that I'm still pretty new to FPS's but really look at the difference any sane person would go to PvP to grind.

this is a FPS
private areas are STANDARD in FPS games. Its simple things like this that can make or break a game for hardcore players

Regardless of what ppl think of console players there are alot of us that take planning and tactics seriously. Why does a cost need to be attached? that pushes ppl away from using it, its a basic FPS requirement same as proper clan support

Just because "things arent free in EVE it shouldnt be in DUST" something as simple as this i would have to disagree very strongly. There are in the same universe but different games and last i heard EVE players can go on SiSi and practice, thats where alot of the EVE alliances practicing for the alliance tournament usually end up right? to try new fits etc

that doesnt affect their actual real character
ppl need to stop trying to always make DUST into EVE and realise there are 2 different games in the same universe so things will be handled differently at times for the 2 games

...make training -8x...

I have a thread of many requests, and one of them happens to be a training mode. Would you mind if Iinked to this thread to expand upon it?
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=25182&find=unread

OP has a good idea, but I'd be satisfied if it was simply a shooting range VR room for one person to access from their personal quarters.

Sure a full on practice arena with people would be better-but if it's easier to just make a space for me to test out weapons and fits before investing heavily in them, I'd be happy with that.

It would help a lot to be able to nail down things pre-combat/fit restocking for things like:
-how grenades/mass drivers arc
-gauge splash damage effective radius
-get a feel for charge timers on forge/snipers
-test fire rates and accuracy differences on burst/single fire/full auto variations
-ranged targets showing the range of effect for your guns
etc

CmdrWang confirmed a test server for Dust.
hell yes

Give up Mavado.
If they where interested they would have said you.

VR, though a great idea that I support 100%, will not see the light simply because it will takes time make/implement it, and more time to test it.
At this point in the developed cycle it is just too late for that.

then they clearly havent paid attention to other games' downfall which i have been trying to point out and have them avoid

good to know this will meet the same fate as other games that released with 0 private setting for clans to practice, clans will go elsewhere to more clan friendly games and conduct their business and this will end up just like MAG.......

Give up Mavado.
If they where interested they would have said you.

VR, though a great idea that I support 100%, will not see the light simply because it will takes time make/implement it, and more time to test it.
At this point in the developed cycle it is just too late for that.

Give up Mavado.
If they where interested they would have said you.

VR, though a great idea that I support 100%, will not see the light simply because it will takes time make/implement it, and more time to test it.
At this point in the developed cycle it is just too late for that.

I agree with a training area. When I played BF 2142 competitively we spent 80% of our time in game going over strategy and practicing amongst ourselves in our own unranked (meaning no rewards) server.

While I like the idea I think an entirely free mode goes against the EVE mindset. Small scale practice for one individual merc to learn to fly his new aircraft or whatever is great. But if you're going to have an area for large scale corp practices it should come at a cost.

Obviously make all training no risk, you don't deplete suits, mods, vehicles etc and gain no SP or ISK reward. However for large scale practices force a Dust corp that has no EVE corp affiliation to pay some ISK, lore explanation could be you're paying a use fee to a Npc corp. Then any Dust corp with affiliations to a 0.0 EVE corp that controls its own planets could either pay a similar use fee or use their planets for free to train based on whatever arrangement they come too.

I think this achieves the goal while still keeping with the EVE mindset.

talk about a old thread..... maybe we'll be able to go to SiSi once we get on tranquility to test things out there like EVE has

I stopped bumping my ideas long ago but you Mavado are relentless.
VR Training Room should come true simply to honor your effort.

Also guys I am not discouraging him, not seriously.
In my firs post here I suggested, among he other things, a VR training but then I found out others did it already so I was as happy; "I am not alone" I thought.
Now I am sad because in so much time CPC never, ever, even come out here saying "Sorry Mavado, it won't happen"

that sort of "givin up" mentality will see this game fail tbqh
if its something u see as being crucial to the game ill support it till the devs say otherwise. NO ONE can deny something like this is absolutely important to the game for both solo newbies, corps, individuals just wanting to get better.

I dont wanna see corp battles just turn out to be "zerg here!, zerg there!" i want to see corps/alliances put time in and develop proper strats, that is why i play FPS competitively for the strategic play involved along with the skill

As it stands right now this game will push ppl away rather than attract them with the current setup
NO ONE wants to spend millions of ISK just to get used to the dropship controls or tank controls
NO ONE wants to experiment with a tank fitting costing 3+ mill just to see if its feasible or garbage
all these things turn ppl off the game....blow a bunch if ISK trying to learn **** and u gotta grind to make it back up

if the devs cant see how important something like this is then they are ******** and the game will flop

as long as this isn't gonna be some solo SP/ISK grind thing, I agree with this. Definitely could use somewhere to practice the use of your new weapons besides the hard way. Think I died five times before I got to find out how the charged sniper rifle was like.

Vehicle:
This VR arena as the name suggests is strictly vehicle based. No one wants to spend a bunch of ISK on a dropship, tank, etc without knowing how the controls are and if its even worth it.

There will be PvE so....there will be your VR Training Room. You probably will have option of Solo/Corp missions.

Really hope we get something like this, if you want teams to develop real strategies and practice as a team this is a must.

TO EVE DEVELOPERS

I hope you're paying attention, cause this guy knows his ****.

In a game world where every death is reaching into your pocket we need to make SURE we know every aspect of the game inside out. That means having VR training on...

Character Controls - Basic introduction of character controls for new players

Car and Dropship physics - Do you really want to learn how to fly a dropship by paying 500 thousand ISK to fit one and then crash it or have a heavy blow it up -_-

Weapon Firing Range - A room for shooting NPC targets. We get feedback on how much damage we do and so forth. NPC targets can be beefed up on hit points and skills for feedback on fighting harder targets. Ect.

Kill-House (Obstacle Coarse) - Same as Firing Range, but also used for getting a feel of how your equipment and vehicles work.
Targets can be modified to shoot back, friends can be brought over to spar with you. Obviously nothing is ever spent in the VR.

War room - A VR training room for Corp use. Big room the size of very small map. Floor is devised of hexagons. The trainer can raise or lower the hexagons to create multiple battle scenarios, like Cliffside confrontations, mountain scaling, and so on (Use your imagination). He can even add installments like supply posts and turrets. Also, he can add elements like water, lava, acid, and wether conditions for training to fight on hostile worlds. Used by corps to promote teamwork and develop conditional strategies.

A long way away I know, but its up there on the wish list :D