the best reason i can give against vr is that nothing is lost, and i will admit i know nothing about economics but this cant be good thing for the market coz it would create low demand making everything dirt cheap if anyone knows better feel free to corect me. as for the you dont own any planets the npc corps could have a home planet so to speak which would make sense where you and your friends can try out fits and tactics but just like every body else in new eden you lose what you use

Great idea. Possibly very complicated to implement for the developers. Maybe something that could be done further down the road a bit, after the game is released.

It also bears mentioning that they've confirmed some sort of PvE versus drones or something. I forget the specifics. Having that would probably be sufficient to practice individual player's skills, but probably wouldn't do much to help corps practice strategy and coordination.

EDIT: Degren your argument does not make sense. Consider the largest persistent game universe ever made: EVE. There are A LOT of PvE missions and things that you can do to practice, learn game mechanics, and make some ISK when you are first starting out. This idea does have a precedent in the MMO world, and its in a game made by CCP!!!

One key difference is that in EVE you definitely had to use/spend your equipment in order to do these missions/training.

This is a request for a feature to be included making proper training modes/areas and not just basic tutorials in the release of the game or at least very soon after.

VR Training (Solo/Corp/Alliance perspective)

In a game like this with where ISK efficiency, Preparation, Strategy, Skill are all important i'd like to share my thoughts on a DETAILED IN-DEPTH VR Training area for all levels of players whether it be solo, corp, alliance.


This game requires gun game, not everyone has it and some who have potential can get alot better at it and even those who are good at it can use this suggested VR arena to stay sharp/warmup/even improve.

Octagon:
Taking a note from the Halo Gametype Octagon, this is a great 1v1, 2v2 arena where players can work on their aim, strafing etc which are all basic components which make up 1v1 and 2v2 small combat.

This arena should be able for a solo guy to do it 1v1 with different difficulty bots if he has no friends or just prefers it solo or have the option to invite friends and practice against them. As a competitive player one way i've always found myself to constantly keep improving is playing against better players and this VR mode the better players of a corp can train/practice with the weaker ones helping them improve their overall shot and strafe.


Team:
This VR arena should be just as its entitled a place where your Corp/alliance, as a whole (24v24), can run practice games, work on strats etc. This arena should be simulating what a real match would be like.


Vehicle:
This VR arena as the name suggests is strictly vehicle based. No one wants to spend a bunch of ISK on a dropship, tank, etc without knowing how the controls are and if its even worth it. People can practice Tank warfare, Tank and Dropship Warfare and strats.
With Fighters also confirmed as well this is a great arena where pilots will be able to dogfight against one another to keep their skills sharp and also improve.


Note:
NO SPs or ISK will be rewarded via these VR training areas, the only reward should be you knowing you are improving individually and team wise.

Reason an IN-DEPTH training area will be ideal is that PUB matches arent a good place to actually get better and practice, from my experience in various games public matches u dont even need tactics to beat an unorganised bunch of randomly assembled players on the other team. Its this reason why zerg tactics/rushes were the go to tactic on games like MAG. Why get better and improve the overall standard of play when you can just zerg objectives against randoms and win?

I'd like to see alot of high level play and tactics involved in DUST but CCP will need to provide the tools to encourage that and this VR Training Arena is one way they can do it.

This is a request for a feature to be included making proper training modes/areas and not just basic tutorials in the release of the game or at least very soon after.

VR Training (Solo/Corp/Alliance perspective)

In a game like this with where ISK efficiency, Preparation, Strategy, Skill are all important i'd like to share my thoughts on a DETAILED IN-DEPTH VR Training area for all levels of players whether it be solo, corp, alliance.


This game requires gun game, not everyone has it and some who have potential can get alot better at it and even those who are good at it can use this suggested VR arena to stay sharp/warmup/even improve.

Octagon:
Taking a note from the Halo Gametype Octagon, this is a great 1v1, 2v2 arena where players can work on their aim, strafing etc which are all basic components which make up 1v1 and 2v2 small combat.

This arena should be able for a solo guy to do it 1v1 with different difficulty bots if he has no friends or just prefers it solo or have the option to invite friends and practice against them. As a competitive player one way i've always found myself to constantly keep improving is playing against better players and this VR mode the better players of a corp can train/practice with the weaker ones helping them improve their overall shot and strafe.


Team:
This VR arena should be just as its entitled a place where your Corp/alliance, as a whole (24v24), can run practice games, work on strats etc. This arena should be simulating what a real match would be like.


Vehicle:
This VR arena as the name suggests is strictly vehicle based. No one wants to spend a bunch of ISK on a dropship, tank, etc without knowing how the controls are and if its even worth it. People can practice Tank warfare, Tank and Dropship Warfare and strats.
With Fighters also confirmed as well this is a great arena where pilots will be able to dogfight against one another to keep their skills sharp and also improve.


Note:
NO SPs or ISK will be rewarded via these VR training areas, the only reward should be you knowing you are improving individually and team wise.

Reason an IN-DEPTH training area will be ideal is that PUB matches arent a good place to actually get better and practice, from my experience in various games public matches u dont even need tactics to beat an unorganised bunch of randomly assembled players on the other team. Its this reason why zerg tactics/rushes were the go to tactic on games like MAG. Why get better and improve the overall standard of play when you can just zerg objectives against randoms and win?

I'd like to see alot of high level play and tactics involved in DUST but CCP will need to provide the tools to encourage that and this VR Training Arena is one way they can do it.

This is a request for a feature to be included making proper training modes/areas and not just basic tutorials in the release of the game or at least very soon after.

VR Training (Solo/Corp/Alliance perspective)

In a game like this with where ISK efficiency, Preparation, Strategy, Skill are all important i'd like to share my thoughts on a DETAILED IN-DEPTH VR Training area for all levels of players whether it be solo, corp, alliance.


This game requires gun game, not everyone has it and some who have potential can get alot better at it and even those who are good at it can use this suggested VR arena to stay sharp/warmup/even improve.

Octagon:
Taking a note from the Halo Gametype Octagon, this is a great 1v1, 2v2 arena where players can work on their aim, strafing etc which are all basic components which make up 1v1 and 2v2 small combat.

This arena should be able for a solo guy to do it 1v1 with different difficulty bots if he has no friends or just prefers it solo or have the option to invite friends and practice against them. As a competitive player one way i've always found myself to constantly keep improving is playing against better players and this VR mode the better players of a corp can train/practice with the weaker ones helping them improve their overall shot and strafe.


Team:
This VR arena should be just as its entitled a place where your Corp/alliance, as a whole (24v24), can run practice games, work on strats etc. This arena should be simulating what a real match would be like.


Vehicle:
This VR arena as the name suggests is strictly vehicle based. No one wants to spend a bunch of ISK on a dropship, tank, etc without knowing how the controls are and if its even worth it. People can practice Tank warfare, Tank and Dropship Warfare and strats.
With Fighters also confirmed as well this is a great arena where pilots will be able to dogfight against one another to keep their skills sharp and also improve.


Note:
NO SPs or ISK will be rewarded via these VR training areas, the only reward should be you knowing you are improving individually and team wise.

Reason an IN-DEPTH training area will be ideal is that PUB matches arent a good place to actually get better and practice, from my experience in various games public matches u dont even need tactics to beat an unorganised bunch of randomly assembled players on the other team. Its this reason why zerg tactics/rushes were the go to tactic on games like MAG. Why get better and improve the overall standard of play when you can just zerg objectives against randoms and win?

I'd like to see alot of high level play and tactics involved in DUST but CCP will need to provide the tools to encourage that and this VR Training Arena is one way they can do it.

great Idea I woulda loved to learn how to fly a dropship before trying in a match where it got shot down in like 10 sec I agree with the not losing anything in training because it would be VIRTUAL training but I would prefer if there was a small amount of skill points earned for this maybe a 2-3k low enough so it'd be stupid to spam but enough to permote training before going out into the real thing. and as was stated earlier maybe a way to scan enemy districts so your corp can run mock runs of their invasion and know the terrain before they invade.scaling difficulty bots to practice with new weapons... practice against different enemy tactics and try out new tactics all in a no risk zone. maybe have mock battles bettween members of your own corp to learn and grow as a team in a safe zone. no isk should be given out during this but as stated earlier a few k SP would be good cause it is training after all and your gaining skill as you train.... seeing how right now a good match for me nets me 50k SP and a eh match nets me 20k SP I don't see anything wrong with mock battles giving your 3k SP. just my 2 cents though

Yeah, new player here, but this is a good idea. I leave it to wiser heads than mine to figure out how to make it work in a realistic economy (the idea of paying to train makes sense to me).

This is a feature that organised gaming clans would definitely make use of.

[quote=Thomas Mills]great Idea I woulda loved to learn how to fly a dropship before trying in a match where it got shot down in like 10 sec I agree with the not losing anything in training because it would be VIRTUAL training but I would prefer if there was a small amount of skill points earned for this maybe a 2-3k low enough so it'd be stupid to spam but enough to permote training before going out into the real thing. and as was stated earlier maybe a way to scan enemy districts so your corp can run mock runs of their invasion and know the terrain before they invade.scaling difficulty bots to practice with new weapons... practice against different enemy tactics and try out new tactics all in a no risk zone. maybe have mock battles bettween members of your own corp to learn and grow as a team in a safe zone. no isk should be given out during this but as stated earlier a few k SP would be good cause it is training after all and your gaining skill as you train.... seeing how right now a good match for me nets me 50k SP and a eh match nets me 20k SP I don't see anything wrong with mock battles giving your 3k SP. just my 2 cents though

NO SPs earned.
This is pure training, dont need ppl using it to boost.
The reward is knowing you or your team are getting better

because training obviously doesn't make you more skillfull..... just a couple k points to give more reason to do it. you know how we are on 4x SP points right now make training -8x so we would barly get anything but we would get something out of it that way more people will do it because I donno how many people would do this if it ment no skill points at all I think extreamly reduced skill points is the way to go because after all you are training and it would be odd if you went to the shooting range and didn't learn anything about shooting a gun.....

*casual player alert!*

not sure if srs tbh.............
as i said NO SPs or ISK will be rewarded. If u dont wanna do it then fine, but competitive clans like to be organised and work on strats in a private setting, casuals obviously would not they would see no use for something like this unless they "get rewarded"

the purpose of VR training is NOT for u to farm SPs but instead get YOU as a player better, improving YOUR game not to get points to slot in a skill system and u still be terrible at tactics and gun game

Why do u think clans usually go in private servers and practice? because u cant do that properly in pubs with randoms and u dont need tactics to beat randoms. Im tryin to have tools in place to help elevate the overall standard of play

actualy I'm inbetween casual and hardcore.... but thanks for that.....lets agree to disagree... unless you can convince me training doesn't give you more skill..........I still think at like -8x regular SP gains no one in there right mind would grind VR training because you would get 8x the SP going to PvP. no isk is a givin not arguing that point but I still think that some SP should be givin I'll use it either way to get better at shooting and piloting vehicles having trouble navigating small roads with a tank(I think I just found the problem though....)

I love the idea of a VR training. Getting a feel for the weapon/vehicle before risking so much. In eve you can test fits against other corp mates or friend but no one will kill the other person but in the end you still pay for the repair of your ship after the little test fight.

They could include something as simple as a ISK fee per min/hour/death during the testing with out you losing the gear your testing. The person running the VR facility has got to make there money too right (even if its a NPC)?

the best reason i can give against vr is that nothing is lost, and i will admit i know nothing about economics but this cant be good thing for the market coz it would create low demand making everything dirt cheap if anyone knows better feel free to corect me. as for the you dont own any planets the npc corps could have a home planet so to speak which would make sense where you and your friends can try out fits and tactics but just like every body else in new eden you lose what you use