Those that have followed the discussions here, know that

1) of course it would be better to have original assets - there are both memory issues and asset issues
2) the community was asked whether they wanted this intermediate and it was overwhelmingly approved

I rather work effort go elsewhere to more immediate concerns.

Thanks for the clarification, represents another interesting feature of GAAS model that quality can be impacted by group think

Still if you are happy with this route, thats cool bro.

Thanks for the clarification, represents another interesting feature of GAAS model that quality can be impacted by group think

Still if you are happy with this route, thats cool bro.

Like using our 3D artists to create virtual skanks for our quarters? or war barges? What could possibly be more immediate of a concern for the art team?

How long do you think it will take to create Minmatar and Amarr small and large turrets, LAV's, HAV's, Dropships, and Heavy weapons with the existing size of the Art team? A year? 2?

How long can DUST survive without migrating platforms? A year? 2? Can't you see why they need to make this a priority?

I think it boarish of me to actually give time estimates due to my position. You wouldn't like my numbers anyways.

How long do you think it will take to create Minmatar and Amarr small and large turrets, LAV's, HAV's, Dropships, and Heavy weapons with the existing size of the Art team? A year? 2?

How about this:

X = time required to produce all of the assets necessary to have a "complete" game for a relaunch on x86, so it doesn't get another round of crappy reviews
Y = time left in DUST on the PS3

is it:
1. X > Y?
2. X = Y?
3. X < Y?

Considering it took me 8 hours to make a 3-d rendered rocket cycle following paint-by-numbers premade ttutorial instructions?

Considering one of my buddies did a render of the original star trek enterprise that has over 100 hours in it, and he's still cleaning up the poly counts and textures for smooth rendering?

The damn thing looks amazing by the way.

I'd say modeling, rendering and texturing can take a pretty goddamn lomg time.

And my rocket cycle wasnt even completed. I ran out of time. No textures, nothing. Just a basic gretscale frame and base engine with little to no fine detail.

It's great that we want art assets. Yay.

But art assets are going to chew the everliving crap out of system resources faster than any new mechanics calculations Rattati's team can cook up. So the art asset resource problem is very real on top of the time it takes yo invest.

And the warbarge is a basic twtwo-d image animated with a gif style setup like that stupid rainbow poptart cat.

Compared to the design, build and optimizing for rendering, the warbarge is the equivalent of a five minute doodle that doesn't eat system resources. In short, it's ideal for a visual add on in the PS3 as a placeholder.

I've been screaming for using placeholder assets precisely BECAUSE I have worked to learn 3d models and rendering.

We can get parity and engaging gameplay NOW... or we can be perfectionist snobs who b*tch incessantly about parity while refusing to accept an option that gives us exactly that.

Ever wonder why so many suit variants (logi, assault, med frame) are just reskins?

Because slapping preloaded textures on a rendered model takes no resources compared to what is required to render an assault next to a fatty with it's own unique physics and textures.

If given the choice of something or nothing, I'll pick something, especially when it can be iterated on.

How about this:

X = time required to produce all of the assets necessary to have a "complete" game for a relaunch on x86, so it doesn't get another round of crappy reviews
Y = time left in DUST on the PS3

is it:
1. X > Y?
2. X = Y?
3. X < Y?

We get it, you want racial parity. An average fps player does not know EVE, and all its depth. Neither does a game reviewer unless they are EVE players. Racial parity was not even on the top 10 (20) list of our collected feedback from the Launch reviews, that I studied diligently, trying to find the most bang for the buck. I have, and will continue to fix the game with what I believe is the right prioritization.

updated pics with large turrets and hulls

I say nothing til we can actually get working models in there.

As far as the CPM goes, they've had YEARS to get additional racial diversity
in DUST vehicle-wise. Your lack of vision, intentional or otherwise,
is idiotic.

We've been with this game for a long time, vehicle operators.
We were sold on this idea of additional vehicles being added.

But nothing, NOTHING, but what, the ADS?
In fact, it has been nothing but TAKING and
killing our DIVERSITY. Took away the Marauders, Gave and then
took away the Enforcers. Promised to bring back Marauders/Enforcers,
gave us the utterly useless Mardok/Gladius. I mean
the latest patch has made armor useful again, but that
isn't NEW content, besides some additional modules,
a few that aren't used competitively, and nerfs on our
EHP.

A simple paint job on existing models and calling it MIN/AMARR without truly new turrets reflecting their racial preference
is a slap in the face, just as the loading screen which shows the multiple vehicle class's icons irks my inner tanker.

I got into this game because I believed it had promise. I believed that the vehicles would be expanded upon.
From beta to now, I cannot honestly say that there has been much in the way done substantially that doesn't
feel like some switch flipped on a spreadsheet. I mean, we do have the tiers between the tanks now, but why
isn't there a color difference between tiers? Infantry suits receive different colors between tiers.

We need to return the Logistics vehicles of all tiers back. We need to return remote repairs for armor and shield.


But I doubt anything will actually be done.

I disagree. Better for them to finish the damn project than give us additional USELESS vehicles that are pretty much just Madrugar/Caldari in nature.

I mean, they just giving turrets, the same ones by the way, with new colors.


I think I've been damn patient with this game.

Not some new person off the street.

Been with the game since BETA.




So, after all the promises of parity, we get repainted madrugar/gunnlogi as "Amarr/Minmatar".
It is a letdown.

And if there is a problem, CCP needs to actually hire a rendering team, no insult to Rattati,
who can get this done within a reasonable period of time.

I disagree. Better for them to finish the damn project than give us additional USELESS vehicles that are pretty much just Madrugar/Caldari in nature.

I mean, they just giving turrets, the same ones by the way, with new colors.


I think I've been damn patient with this game.

Not some new person off the street.

Been with the game since BETA.




So, after all the promises of parity, we get repainted madrugar/gunnlogi as "Amarr/Minmatar".
It is a letdown.

And if there is a problem, CCP needs to actually hire a rendering team, no insult to Rattati,
who can get this done within a reasonable period of time.

We get it, you want racial parity. An average fps player does not know EVE, and all its depth. Neither does a game reviewer unless they are EVE players. Racial parity was not even on the top 10 (20) list of our collected feedback from the Launch reviews, that I studied diligently, trying to find the most bang for the buck. I have, and will continue to fix the game with what I believe is the right prioritization.

Nothing is ever good enough for someone.

Better to have a placeholder than nothing.

Question to the Rat person:
Are the new turret colors just what the current turrets will look like when put on the new tanks, or are they new turret types?

Question to the Rat person:
Are the new turret colors just what the current turrets will look like when put on the new tanks, or are they new turret types?

We made new skins for each, so that we can create new types, add those skins to those types and edit those types however we want.

The Minmatar Blaster could have 2x the ROF etc, not sure that's what I want to do but it's possible.

So how is the SKIN system coming along?
Any news on that?
Did it indeed improve performance as you theorized?


And did you give vehicles a SKIN slot like for dropsuits?

The only way to measure that is through crowd testing (as in just deploy it), it's a much better UX for the player anyway and lets us customize our proto suits as well, without breaking the game with proto BPO's.

Yeah, it's working so far. Dev Blog maybe.


Vehicles do not have SKINs (yet)