cool. front the yearly salary of a 3D modeler to work on DUST assets. Until that goes into the budget, not happening.

Uh, thanks for the development insight? I offered this step to balance the hulls and offer some variety, but I would fix a 100 other things before making racial hulls a priority, plus we are very memory constrained on additional 3d assets. Honest truth.

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And since we're being told CCP's current ability is limited when it comes to new art assets and such, I'd rather have place holders than never seeing new weapons/vehicles/equipment/etc.

In a perfect world, they'd have the resources and manpower to get the new models in, but they don't, and I support creative workarounds 100%.

And I also agree with Rattati that there are other priorities than art assets. I don't know if it's on the docket for fixing, but imagine if we could get the redline fixed, so it does become a safe place to stage breakouts and other assaults from, rather than a place to camp and snipe with relative impunity?

Imagine that! That would fix complaints about entire CLASSES of weaponry! (mostly railgun tanks and snipers, and the occasional FGer)


EDIT: My response was to an earlier post, I can agree with what you posted above me here.

Placeholders in DUST 514 on the PS3 does not equate to placeholders on a new platform, for precisely the reason you mention. It will be worth the investment to add art assets for any placeholder items when DUST is ported to a new platform. Moving to a new platform will also make a lot more RAM available.

Now, creating art assets for items what are not already in the game... not so much of a priority. So if you want it on the next platform, you better support the placeholder in the current game!

I just like how everyone talks like this will be ported any time soon.

I think by the time it would be released it would still be buried by the competition, but only time will tell.

There are basically no meaningful losses because ISK is so abundent, infinite fittings is a joke since most fits have a "best" fitting, or the other options offer such small variation that it's more or less like borderlands saying it has infinite guns. Yea, it has a lot, but the differences between them all are rather small. Persistent ownership of a district that makes no difference in EVE, can't be influenced by you in any way, and offers no in game incentive or reward other than the option to open up the 5th game mode, which is really exactly the same as the others, with extra lag.

The competition is the Industry that shows no signs of slowing down, and will gobble up whatever innovations this game may have made, and assimilate it into a higher quality more streamlined project.

CCP has shown that they're out of their depth when it comes to programming an FPS, so I'm disinclined to believe that a better system will alleviate their management issues that have plagued this game from day 1

I've played chess plenty of times where we use coins to replace missing pieces. Given the choice between playing with holder assets vs playing without a piece entirely, I know what I would choose.

It wouldn't be any longer than it would be if they didn't add them in at all.

Except, instead of having all that time to try and balance them (and we all know how stellar THAT endeavor has gone), they'll have to start balancing in 2 years when they can finally afford an art team and more assets to add them into the game. Plus all the time it'll take them to sort out the bugs once they put whole new assets into the mix.

I rather work effort go elsewhere to more immediate concerns.

I think it boarish of me to actually give time estimates due to my position. You wouldn't like my numbers anyways.

Considering it took me 8 hours to make a 3-d rendered rocket cycle following paint-by-numbers premade ttutorial instructions?

Considering one of my buddies did a render of the original star trek enterprise that has over 100 hours in it, and he's still cleaning up the poly counts and textures for smooth rendering?

The damn thing looks amazing by the way.

I'd say modeling, rendering and texturing can take a pretty goddamn lomg time.

And my rocket cycle wasnt even completed. I ran out of time. No textures, nothing. Just a basic gretscale frame and base engine with little to no fine detail.

It's great that we want art assets. Yay.

But art assets are going to chew the everliving crap out of system resources faster than any new mechanics calculations Rattati's team can cook up. So the art asset resource problem is very real on top of the time it takes yo invest.

And the warbarge is a basic twtwo-d image animated with a gif style setup like that stupid rainbow poptart cat.

Compared to the design, build and optimizing for rendering, the warbarge is the equivalent of a five minute doodle that doesn't eat system resources. In short, it's ideal for a visual add on in the PS3 as a placeholder.

I've been screaming for using placeholder assets precisely BECAUSE I have worked to learn 3d models and rendering.

We can get parity and engaging gameplay NOW... or we can be perfectionist snobs who b*tch incessantly about parity while refusing to accept an option that gives us exactly that.

Ever wonder why so many suit variants (logi, assault, med frame) are just reskins?

Because slapping preloaded textures on a rendered model takes no resources compared to what is required to render an assault next to a fatty with it's own unique physics and textures.

We get it, you want racial parity. An average fps player does not know EVE, and all its depth. Neither does a game reviewer unless they are EVE players. Racial parity was not even on the top 10 (20) list of our collected feedback from the Launch reviews, that I studied diligently, trying to find the most bang for the buck. I have, and will continue to fix the game with what I believe is the right prioritization.

You think this is why Devs don't like telling us things. "Hey look we whipped up some of those skins we mentioned a while back, what do you guys think?" "OH MY GOD WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT BEFORE DOING WHAT I PERSONALLY WANT FIRST?!"

Racial parity is something which is only in your (and some others') mind.

It is just an artificial limitation you are setting onto yourself.

Lore you say? Lore is a very mild reason to do anything. Also, who's to say every empire faction has symmetrical developement of assets. So there goes the lore.

You know he has no control over the prior management, right? They canned the previous EP for a reason: he was promising **** that the team could have never delivered on.

What art team?

Want my HAV or ADS to go down in one Swarm clip? I'm cool with that, as long as it doesn't cost me more than the suit their using.