As a pure Caldari, this is a topic I have thought much about.

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Pulses don't work. Had them on shield tanks of old. They will be garbage, and people won't use them after the release rush.

Same for active equipment suggestions. They will be clunky and annoying to use.

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Considering that in EVE both Shield Logistics and Armour logistics are both very important and viable roles and both let players tank a similar amount, I feel we are MASSIVELY overdue for a shield repair mechanic.

It always feels like there is some sort of resistance to having shield repairs and I have never understood why....

However it may be, I welcome shield repair with open arms.

Please elaborate on why you believe this to be true about each one. The more details presented the more issues could be worked around or others persuaded as to why those options should be bypassed in favor of others.

Looking forward to hearing back from you on the specifics

~Cross

As long as shield suits are flying through the air, i don't see the point really. I wouldnt carry a shield rep tool anyway because shield suits except the caldari heavy are nowhere near the dirtiest fights, unless they are jumping all over the place.

All the crying over amor suits, like there arent plenty of ways to take down one of those as well. Rail Rifles and Combat rifles do as much damage vs Armor, and those ARs dont tickle either. But hey its the Dust forums so i'm getting ahead of myself.

Besides, my little shielded ones, you forget how much shields the Amarr and Gallente suits can fit. A adv caldari assault cant fit 500+ shields tanked. An adv Amarr heavy can match that (shields lvl 5 + 2 enhaced extenders = 550 shield)

What ever it is you want to add that will make the shield reppers behave like the armor, remember that the armor suits can abuse it too, and still have the massive armor buffer to fall back on. Leaving you back at square one.



Would i mind if there was some sort of way to help shield tankers? No of course not. But it has to be done smartly, and a shield rep tool isnt smart.

Would be nice if we could get a shield recharger tool and a logi that matches that. Maybe change the Caldari Logi bonus from nanohives to something like this:

-Caldari Logistic
+10% additional range for shield recharger tools and +5% shield regen rate per lvl

Shield recharger tool lineup with name, dropsuit shield regen, vehicle shield regen and range (in that order):

STD:
-Shield recharger tool/ 20HP/50HP/ 10m
-Flux shield recharger tool/ same stats as the basic but 15m range

ADV:
-CLT-2 shield recharger tool/30HP/75HP/15m
-CLT-5 axis shield recharger tool/ 22.5HP/100HP/15m
-CLT-8 Triage shield recharger tool/ 37.5HP/60HP/15m

PRO:
-Kaalikiota shield recharger tool/35HP/90HP/15m
-Ishukone Flux shield recharger tool/35HP/90HP/22.5m
-Wyrkomi Triage shield recharger tool/44HP/75HP/15.m
-Focussed shield recharger tool/62.5HP/ 110HP/7.5m

The base regen stats are low cause when pointed at a dropsuit it stacks with their native shield regen. Cause neither do i or the competetive community see a point in having a bonus to nanohives cause we can carry 6 of those allready at ADV lvl. It would make the suit aswell more popular cause if we are honest here all the other logis have something to keep you going while the caldari only has ammo, which every 1 can now carry tons of it to begin with.

What ever it is you want to add that will make the shield reppers behave like the armor, remember that the armor suits can abuse it too, and still have the massive armor buffer to fall back on. Leaving you back at square one.

And add matar logi you creating OP camp. change damage mod. and plates in your caldari fit. to recharge, regulator and energizer

Yeah right while i wait for my shields to recharge the amarr assault closes in with his repslave and 900HP armor and instapops me as soon he turns around the corner. And if you use shield and armor logis on a mainly armor tanked squad you are wasting your time. Logis should focus on either shield or armor. Use both and you are devaluaing the logistic power.

The question of WP earnings deserves it's own focus IMO so here goes.


If we have a shield transporter that functions identical to the current rep tool then we can simply apply the current earnings logic.
So that's simple enough.

However we have heard cases made for very different mechanics for how a shield transporter could function, and it begs the question how would WP be assigned in those cases?

What would be the earnings mechanism for a transporter that did not actually rep but just turned on the native rep of the suit?
(and how would higher tiers of such an equipment mod provide enhanced functionality?)

What would be the earnings mechanism for a transporter that used the 'active bubble' method to apply shield reps?

Should the WP earnings for both "rep tools" be reworked to one unified method with the addition of shield reps or is having differing mechanics grand different earnings types be the most appropriate option?

Thoughts?

EDIT: "It's weird, he has all these questions and side bars... creepily like he's been thinking about this for awhile."

Earning is based on aHP gained per second( guesstimating because lower level reps take longer to get triage points.)

If shield tools lowers delay (turning on native sHP/s) then what's the sense? Like... Great a regulator... But if in my honest opinion if it's a regulator, it needs a lil more something something... Like a reg + extend, etc

-Caldari Logistic
+10% additional range for shield recharger tools and +5% shield regen rate per lvl

Shield recharger tool lineup with name, dropsuit shield regen, vehicle shield regen and range (in that order):

STD:
-Shield recharger tool/ 20HP/50HP/ 10m
-Flux shield recharger tool/ same stats as the basic but 15m range

ADV:
-CLT-2 shield recharger tool/30HP/75HP/15m
-CLT-5 axis shield recharger tool/ 22.5HP/100HP/15m
-CLT-8 Triage shield recharger tool/ 37.5HP/60HP/15m

PRO:
-Kaalikiota shield recharger tool/35HP/90HP/15m
-Ishukone Flux shield recharger tool/35HP/90HP/22.5m
-Wyrkomi Triage shield recharger tool/44HP/75HP/15.m
-Focussed shield recharger tool/62.5HP/ 110HP/7.5m.

what about having it be like a shield booster vs shield repping. like it recharges shield every 2-4 seconds at this rate

using those stats as a maxed level 5 caldari logi?

if you think back the logi shield LAVs had a shield rep on it but that was before we had the caldari sentinels. well before we had most suits. lol

My bad, did I say invincible walls of heavies pushing forward? I meant heavies pushing forward as myofib assaults/scouts leap in and out of the "shield tool/bubble/eq" with everyone taking little to no damage, and if in the unlikely case the logi is killed or disabled it won't really matter since there will be enough armor on someone to either buy the time for respawns OR needle that logi back up (at 100% both shields and armor, potentially).

that why I said works like a shield booster on vehicles one rep every 2-5 seconds and cut back the boost rate alittle

the Logi LAVs were removed for being murder taxis. lol those were some very tough lavs lol my favorite thing were to put a line of proximity mines on a road and watch as the driver and riders were killed but the lav survived. lol

a ridiculous number of posts (That much back back to back?!)

ok then you love the caldari logi bonus even though it don't help with the needle? ok what about no suit gets a bonus to shield rep/booster? fyi I would love to use my caldari commando in more ways than just snipping.

The bias is dripping like syrup on pancakes.

Well, yeah, I can go on a tear especially if addressing multiple points. No bias denial either, hell it's clearly stated above above when I say I do NOT want to lose my hive bonus for another leash duty.

But for everyone else...

Ok so Dust is a virtual Chimera of weak asymmetric gameplay elements. (I forget who posted a link to that video discussing it a few months back but it was really good. Kudos!)

For that to work things have to be equal even if not the same. Shields are arguably equal in that they are designed to be better than armor at skirmisher style battles (whether they actually ARE better at skirmisher battles or not is debatable --> they didn't get a regen buff when all suits got slot buffs letting armor regen at rates it previously could not when shield regen rate was originally hammered out) -- however, EVEN if shields are the equal of armor in that one area -- the gap between the two is HUGE at CQC.

Quite simply shields can't stand up to armor in CQC. Well they shouldn't necessarily have to really. A different design is a different design. However, since the vast majority of all hack points in the objective game modes are indoors -- shield suits are simply not suited for winning matches. That's unfair to them. It ruins immersion. And it hurts FW -- the shield races can't BE loyalist and win! (all other things being equal)

I disagree, been in CalFW many times and won. We call that **** the F-Train. Its definitely more a "TW is OP" thing than a "Power of Loyalists" thing.

A shield rep tool that functions like an armor reptool would still be less effective than an armor reptool because of the lower HP pool available. Shields have less ehp. For the same reason you don't armor reptool a Cal Sent, you would find a shield tool to be less effective on said Cal Sent than an armor tool on an Amarr because the Amarr has a bigger HP pool to tank from.
Pool size isn't going to matter that much tho if theres a sustained regen factor like repping provides, especially in cqc where the closer proximity limits the amount of fire clones are under. I have this problem when running beams on heavies who like to chase kills all the time. They overextend themselves from good positions thinking the corefocused will protect them and they gat totally shredded because from being shot from 2 directions to 7.

However, that shield rep tool would help shield suits
survive a bit better in CQC while still providing armor suits a CQC advantage.

So what I want to know is, why people think that would be OP in any way that the armor rep tool is somehow not OP
I've heard ONE good response to this ever (in this thread actually) and even then it is still not enough to decide a shield reptool would be unfair. All the people arguing against it appear like they don't want a fun or fair game.

Seriously though I don't support it as a armour and shield tanked player with 2 logis with 1 shield and 1 armour rep tool would be OP (hence my NAMELESS post)

I would mind a shield booster like on tanks though.

Aaaand the Limbus lives on as the best example why, from the "it'll be OP" perspective, shield repping is a bad idea. Theres a reason they were removed, and it wasn't for being UP or ineffective.

These ideas are all theorycrafting fun-n-games till they become invincible walls of heavies pushing forward.

CalLogi hive bonus is awesome .
#ggb4qqing

They were removed because it was all on the same rep tool, you would give shield and armor at the same time making the merc invincible.