There is no issue with healing the "first layer" of defense of a dropsuit. Amor tanked suits make usage of damage mods. And you gotta keep in mind that objective type games allways require you to go CQC and thats where the fatal flaw lies with shield suits. Shield tanked heavys cannot receive any support at all when defending/attacking a objective while the amarr sentinel can bricktank with 4 plates, have a damage mod and a logi repping him for over 100HP/s. Same scenario goes aswell for assault suits.

Armor has way too many advantages. They can be repped, they have feroscale plates which give more HP then shield extenders, they can fit damage mods without having a drawback on their main tank. What does shield have? Mobility and shield regulators which only lower the shield recharge delay.

basically shields are lacking:
-firepower
-survivability
-logi support

All 3 are keys to attack a objective. And the fact that there is no rifle which annihilates armor suits like the scrambler does it to shields is aswell a problem. Throwing nanohives and spamming core locus grenades is not to be accounted as logi support. Cause every 1 can do that without the need of a proto cal. logi.

They were removed because it was all on the same rep tool, you would give shield and armor at the same time making the merc invincible.

But when they were it would become a gang of indestructible heavies surrounding the LAV walking one end of the map to the other. Freakin' awesome. And OP as ****.

Some more reasonable stuff plus

Consider this, again bearing in mind that my problem is the removal of the hive bonus for this idea:

There's 2 "layers" of hp, shield and armor. When taking damage, shield goes first, especially when the combatant just stands and "toe-to-toes". After shields are gone repping armor becomes less about having a suit just stand and take fire and more about extending that suits ability to finish its most immediate confrontation ie. 10m targets and then get into cover so full regen, shields and armor can occur. Granted different situations have different outcomes like a logi'd heavy push vs assaults OR logi'd speedtanked MinHeavies vs logi'd bricktank Amarr heavies (<- very much your dps/hp pool contest). Its all relative EXCEPT that the repped layer is the 2nd.

And thats where the OP argument gains steam. If the 1st layer becomes suddenly almost permanently sustainable AND the second layer behaves as it does now there very literally are the conditions for near-impervious or insurmountable (OP) fits and combos able to be created. Shield repping becomes something only viably balanced with a complete redraw of armor repping as well.

Considering the amount of time, effort, fighting and crying its taken to get the balance we have it's probably just not worth it considering what will happen. Its either "OP" or we lose a good chunk of the work of years to get us here doing it. For a system that may or may not actually provide any more worthwhile gameplay. But could create less.

Shield have an advantage in mobility, cqc or open spaces. Granted thats better in the latter. Use it.
Shields extenders , I think, were due a buff a while back and idr if that ever happened or not. I remember plates being done but am unsure if extenders got anything.
My instinct is no but I'm not positive. If they did then maybe some buffing to rechargers and energizers is in order.

Personally, for my CalLogi, I'd much rather have my hive bonus AND better/more efficient regen mods than the same mods and another stick-a-repper-on-it role.



btw the Antishield repper channel btw IS totally called, "We Want All the Fun of Being a DragChute for Ourselves"

Shield booster tool lineup with name, dropsuit shield regen, vehicle shield regen and range (in that order):

STD:
-Shield recharger tool/ 20HP/50HP/ 10m
-Flux shield recharger tool/ same stats as the basic but 15m range

ADV:
-CLT-2 shield recharger tool/30HP/75HP/15m
-CLT-5 axis shield recharger tool/ 22.5HP/100HP/15m
-CLT-8 Triage shield recharger tool/ 37.5HP/60HP/15m

PRO:
-Kaalikiota shield recharger tool/35HP/90HP/15m
-Ishukone Flux shield recharger tool/35HP/90HP/22.5m
-Wyrkomi Triage shield recharger tool/44HP/75HP/15.m
-Focussed shield recharger tool/62.5HP/ 110HP/7.5m

What about a shield recharger that had a cool down and would act like an old vehicle shield booster, a small injection of shields and kick starts the recharging of shields if broken or delayed.

What about a shield recharger that had a cool down and would act like an old vehicle shield booster, a small injection of shields and kick starts the recharging of shields if broken or delayed.

No it should be a equipment that the cal. logi gets a bonus for. Not some nonesense thing that is more of a gimmick and useless for teamplay.

Thats why the OP made the stats he posted cause it works allmost identical like a reptool but instead for shields. Its a concept that has proven to work under allmost all circumstances. Get the latch onto a friendly and hold the button down to rep him. Simplistic but efficent, we do not want some over complicated stuff. It should be easy to use and beneficial for the team.

ok so what kind of equipment? a nanohives, a shield rep tool, or what? remember it needs to be a model in the game already. well that is what CCP Rattati said a while back. however I do agree the first post stats on shield rep tool was too high, that is why I said HALF of that rate, only every 2-4 seconds (though it could be 1-2 seconds if lower than half) and plus it will NOT start the shield auto regen, so the delay penalty is still there.

Honestly without changing anything, we could just have more open points (level design folks!) and that right there would be a solid indirect buff to shields. Regardless, it is silly to say a rep tool for shields is magically different than a rep tool for armor. It isn't, and in case you didn't notice, rep tools are a tad powerful in general.

Well, now that it seems like we're done trying to screw my CalLogi out of my bonus, yeah, sure add a shield "device". More toys for me.

My personal preference would be an AoE regen booster based on a hive. CalLogi existing bonus could apply, all frames could carry it and in deep combat its use isn't predicated on the loss of a gunman.

I'm not saying it'd be drastically different, I'm saying the argument it'd be OP stems from the reality that it'd be used identically to armor reppers ( "tad powerful") and in conjunction with them which would create some serious OP circumstances. Especially in CQ where the immediate wipe of entrenched defenders' shields is critical to actually breaching an area and clearing it.

I'd like to see something more original than just a blue rep tool. I would like it to have some sort of functional difference

Using a deployable equipment is bad for defending and pushing objectives. 1 flux/core locus and your fancy equipment gets destroyed. Thats why nobody with half a braincell is using the caldari logi with rephives. If i want to rep somebody i would use a repair tool which can be used indefenetly. The thing that nanohives are good for is ammo and everybody can allready carry 6 X-3 quantum nanohives so the existing Cal. Logi bonus is 100% useless.

I dont need the help of a cal. logi to spam core locus nades 24/7 and thats why nobody uses it. So stop trying to pretend as if the hive bonus has any meaningfull role. The only purpose of that suit is to put 5 myofibres on and spam drop uplinks on highgrounds.

Which we can no longer do

Thats why i didnt specced into Cal.Logis cause of the obvious nerf hammer that was about to hit them. So again the Cal.Logi has no purpose. It even got worse since every 1 and their mother can carry 6 compact hives.

Thats why i didnt specced into Cal.Logis cause of the obvious nerf hammer that was about to hit them. So again the Cal.Logi has no purpose. It even got worse since every 1 and their mother can carry 6 compact hives.

Just played dom as a amarr sentinel (dominus with 100% free fit) on the gal. research facility. had 3 random logis repping me while i went 32/2 and got ranked 4th, the 3 logis got over 4000 WP each. Yeah right how are shield suits supposed to deal with this? And yes i even survived beeing core locus spammed so thats not the solution to it.

That's always the funny thing for me about that argument.

Just played dom as a amarr sentinel (dominus with 100% free fit) on the gal. research facility. had 3 random logis repping me while i went 32/2 and got ranked 4th, the 3 logis got over 4000 WP each. Yeah right how are shield suits supposed to deal with this? And yes i even survived beeing core locus spammed so thats not the solution to it.