Thats problematic cause dropsuit shields act the same way like vehicles. Once you have some kind of forced regen it kickstarts the natural regen aswell. Prime example are shield boosters cause once the boosted amount gets added to your shields it aswells forces the vehicle to start regen aswell.

Don't make it the same tool!!

I'm not a logi, but i do have proto tools... I've thought about it honestly... And why not separate the tools.

I don't think coding and clientside updates are that big of an issue. We have had clientside updates recently, we had new stuff which had to be coded first, Rattati talked about adding a new gamemode in the next clientside update, and even something something AI drones on training maps.

It's true but also kinda sad and stupid. The goal should be to be useful to the team and help win matches by doing logi stuff, not just generate WPs for OBs.

It's the same reason why it seems few people use scanners in pubmatches even though they are probably the most useful equipment for supporting your team in fights.

(Also, I honestly think that the triage WP generation needs to get toned down a bit. Just my 0.02 ISK.)

Generating WPs with the kind of shield tool I proposed also is an issue that can be solved by coding. Just make it so you get triage points for each shield regen pulse done on the suit you are repping and we are good to go when it comes to generating WPs.

Sure, it might take a bit longer to make this kind of tool and there are issues to solve, but I'm willing to wait if at the end we get something that is new instead of a reskinned reptool for shields.

Otherwise we might as well just make new reptool variants that regen shields instead of armor, or even reptools variants that regen shields AND repair armor (at a reduced rate of course). Less exciting but it'll do, I guess.

No. It allows use without needing to skill and allows us to just go along with it rather than changing whatever we were working on like say an HMG or Grenades to get going and just do what people want the logis to be doing.

Edit: by saying no I mean don't separate the tool skills, separate tools are just fine.

So player x, y, and z skill into the shield rep tool and all use it to help win the match, not only is it sp they put somewhere they didn't plan on orriginally but it also gained them no WP or SP so their investment isn't paying for itself, their invested SP is then worthless.

Sorry but WP for triage needs to be paid.

shield recharge tool will never happen imagine any suit with 1 shield and 1 armour rep tool repairing would = imortal

shield recharge tool will never happen imagine any suit with 1 shield and 1 armour rep tool repairing would = imortal

shield recharge tool will never happen imagine any suit with 1 shield and 1 armour rep tool repairing would = imortal

I'm not opposed to shield recharger tools, but I think it would be kinda boring if they worked just like armor rep tools for shields.

Why not make them a bit different?

Instead of giving them a set number of shield hp/s I think it would be interesting if shield tools worked kinda like a combined recharger + regulator.

(Just some numbers out of my ass so you get what I'm talking about. Totally not balanced.)

PRO Shield Modulator Tool
target receives:
+65% shield regen
-35% shield depleted delay

Cal Logi could get a bonus to those tools, e.g. 25% bonus to regen = 81.25%; 50% to delay = 52.5%

In that example a Cal Sentinel with 3x extenders + 1x energizer + 1x regulator could have a regen rate of ~95hp/s, with a delay of ~1.16s while still having 830 shields and 100% mobility.

The idea behind that is that shield suits couldn't just stack a ton of extenders and run around with a 0s delay shield rep, but instead continue to work like shields usually do.

The shield user can make the shield tool more useful by using rechargers/energizers + regulators on his suit, but he has to give up hp for it.

So you want a piece of equipment that's still hilariously underpowered compared to proto repair tools? Proto rep tools are usually more than twelve times better than a single complex rep, provide that rep for minimal powergrid and cpu costs and provide that repair from a range, to multiple targets.

All I have to say right here is **** your idea of 'balance', that shield 'rep tool' is barely equivalent to two complex shield modules..

Ever tried to kill a fully plated amarr sentinel whos getting repped by 2 minlogis? Yeah good luck with that and every decent player knows you should focus on your primary tank and not your secondary. It makes no sense for example to regen shields on a amarr assault cause he has only like 180HP shilds while having around 650-850HP armor.

-every decent slayer focuses on either shield or armor on their suits
-every decent tanker focuses on either shield or armor on their tanks

You just simply dont want that a armor exclusive feature gets ported over to shields. A good fit for heavy-logi combo is to have the heavy buffer tank with as much armor as he can (extends reaction time for the heavy and the logi to catch on reps) and a logi with a decent reptool. Shield suits are massively underpowered and in my opinion putting a shield logi into the game would patch that hot topic by quite some marging.

Cause in the end of the day when you play skirmish you have to get face to face with the enemy to take a point and not shot him from 100m+ with a rail rifle. Armor wins matches while shields get 0 support and you end up dead after 7 shots from a proto scrambler on a amarr asault with tripple damage mods.

can you imagine the wp generated from a dual rep tool logi, what about an amar with 2 extenders and a bunch of armour repairers and reactive plates hybrid tanking will be the new fotm .

for example if you just made polar opposites of the armour rep tools (I know unrealistic) it would constantly buy you 1 extra second of armour repair ~doubling the effects of the armour rep tool by also using a shield repair tool. (more affective than two armour reps)

what happens when you are being repped by a shield tool how can your suit identify delay .

How will this affect vehicles? remember logi lav's with shield transporting how op did that make infantry

where do you draw the line of balance can I dual rep with a shield rep tool? can my core shield repair rep @ 130+hp/sec, how do you balance two tools that act similar that are not comparable because armour and shield work different(100 shield Gëá 100 armour hp)

if you r e trying to head on with shields your doing it wrong, they are flank/cover while a firing team advances,

better solution to shield repairers make a/b type suits for all races (or make basic frames work the opposite of specialist ie caldari medium basic frame would be hybrid or armour focused)

Would be nice if we could get a shield recharger tool and a logi that matches that. Maybe change the Caldari Logi bonus from nanohives to something like this:

-Caldari Logistic
+10% additional range for shield recharger tools and +5% shield regen rate per lvl

Shield recharger tool lineup with name, dropsuit shield regen, vehicle shield regen and range (in that order):

STD:
-Shield recharger tool/ 20HP/50HP/ 10m
-Flux shield recharger tool/ same stats as the basic but 15m range

ADV:
-CLT-2 shield recharger tool/30HP/75HP/15m
-CLT-5 axis shield recharger tool/ 22.5HP/100HP/15m
-CLT-8 Triage shield recharger tool/ 37.5HP/60HP/15m

PRO:
-Kaalikiota shield recharger tool/35HP/90HP/15m
-Ishukone Flux shield recharger tool/35HP/90HP/22.5m
-Wyrkomi Triage shield recharger tool/44HP/75HP/15.m
-Focussed shield recharger tool/62.5HP/ 110HP/7.5m

The base regen stats are low cause when pointed at a dropsuit it stacks with their native shield regen. Cause neither do i or the competetive community see a point in having a bonus to nanohives cause we can carry 6 of those allready at ADV lvl. It would make the suit aswell more popular cause if we are honest here all the other logis have something to keep you going while the caldari only has ammo, which every 1 can now carry tons of it to begin with.

1. if it does not "repair its not a repair tool its a shield transporter

2. this is dust not eve IDC what eve is or says or laughs at

3(yeah your numbers had no thoughts but here an idea how op it would be) if your shield is repairing @ 106.35)hp/s base (proto cal sentinel with 2 complex energisers and 1 basic energiser) and you are getting 10.38 native armour reps(using the transporter delay decreased idea) you would roughly be getting 175.48 shields/ second in less than 1 second. for the second handheld shield transporter how would that calculate +65% on base......175.48-106.35= 69.13 would make recharge 244.61in half second for 2 tools

It would be OP.
Imagine a cal sent, with 80 or even more shield recharge and no delays.

Bump cause i dont want to make another thread about this. And because shields vs armor is still imbalanced and the cal. logi is useless.

2X core focused reptool= 312HP/s armor repaired when used on a minlogi. So the amarr sentinel has 1344HP AND regens with more then you claimed. So how is my idea again "OP" when the sentinel in question that you posted has only 612HP on shields which is less then 50% of the amarr sentinels armor. Point proven that you want this to be a armor exclusive thing. Any further discussion with you is pointless cause all your arguments are invalid.

I've heard it suggested that the Shield Transporter should be an active mod (new code required)
That would function, very simply put, as an active mod that created a "reverse Flux" effect for a limited time span.

Thus restoring friendly shields by a substantial amount with an AoE centered around the Logi player for a brief span before going back on cool down.

This would allow for a unique more mobility / hit and run playstyle for shields (vs armor) while still giving enhanced utility.
It would also be a very active tactical role because the timing of use would be very key in certain contexts.