CalLogi hive bonus is awesome.
I could use some cpu and pg.
I'd love a sidearm tho.

... I think we'd have a decent chance of Ratatti balancing them, right after he gets around to buffing logi survivability.


:D Soon.

What ever it is you want to add that will make the shield reppers behave like the armor, remember that the armor suits can abuse it too, and still have the massive armor buffer to fall back on. Leaving you back at square one.

Yeah right while i wait for my shields to recharge the amarr assault closes in with his repslave and 900HP armor and instapops me as soon he turns around the corner. And if you use shield and armor logis on a mainly armor tanked squad you are wasting your time. Logis should focus on either shield or armor. Use both and you are devaluaing the logistic power.

Earning is based on aHP gained per second( guesstimating because lower level reps take longer to get triage points.)

If shield tools lowers delay (turning on native sHP/s) then what's the sense? Like... Great a regulator... But if in my honest opinion if it's a regulator, it needs a lil more something something... Like a reg + extend, etc

what about having it be like a shield booster vs shield repping. like it recharges shield every 2-4 seconds at this rate

using those stats as a maxed level 5 caldari logi?

if you think back the logi shield LAVs had a shield rep on it but that was before we had the caldari sentinels. well before we had most suits. lol

that why I said works like a shield booster on vehicles one rep every 2-5 seconds and cut back the boost rate alittle

the Logi LAVs were removed for being murder taxis. lol those were some very tough lavs lol my favorite thing were to put a line of proximity mines on a road and watch as the driver and riders were killed but the lav survived. lol

ok then you love the caldari logi bonus even though it don't help with the needle? ok what about no suit gets a bonus to shield rep/booster? fyi I would love to use my caldari commando in more ways than just snipping.

The bias is dripping like syrup on pancakes.

Well, yeah, I can go on a tear especially if addressing multiple points. No bias denial either, hell it's clearly stated above above when I say I do NOT want to lose my hive bonus for another leash duty.

But for everyone else...

Ok so Dust is a virtual Chimera of weak asymmetric gameplay elements. (I forget who posted a link to that video discussing it a few months back but it was really good. Kudos!)

For that to work things have to be equal even if not the same. Shields are arguably equal in that they are designed to be better than armor at skirmisher style battles (whether they actually ARE better at skirmisher battles or not is debatable --> they didn't get a regen buff when all suits got slot buffs letting armor regen at rates it previously could not when shield regen rate was originally hammered out) -- however, EVEN if shields are the equal of armor in that one area -- the gap between the two is HUGE at CQC.

Quite simply shields can't stand up to armor in CQC. Well they shouldn't necessarily have to really. A different design is a different design. However, since the vast majority of all hack points in the objective game modes are indoors -- shield suits are simply not suited for winning matches. That's unfair to them. It ruins immersion. And it hurts FW -- the shield races can't BE loyalist and win! (all other things being equal)

I disagree, been in CalFW many times and won. We call that **** the F-Train. Its definitely more a "TW is OP" thing than a "Power of Loyalists" thing.

A shield rep tool that functions like an armor reptool would still be less effective than an armor reptool because of the lower HP pool available. Shields have less ehp. For the same reason you don't armor reptool a Cal Sent, you would find a shield tool to be less effective on said Cal Sent than an armor tool on an Amarr because the Amarr has a bigger HP pool to tank from.
Pool size isn't going to matter that much tho if theres a sustained regen factor like repping provides, especially in cqc where the closer proximity limits the amount of fire clones are under. I have this problem when running beams on heavies who like to chase kills all the time. They overextend themselves from good positions thinking the corefocused will protect them and they gat totally shredded because from being shot from 2 directions to 7.

However, that shield rep tool would help shield suits
survive a bit better in CQC while still providing armor suits a CQC advantage.

So what I want to know is, why people think that would be OP in any way that the armor rep tool is somehow not OP
I've heard ONE good response to this ever (in this thread actually) and even then it is still not enough to decide a shield reptool would be unfair. All the people arguing against it appear like they don't want a fun or fair game.

They were removed because it was all on the same rep tool, you would give shield and armor at the same time making the merc invincible.

There is no issue with healing the "first layer" of defense of a dropsuit. Amor tanked suits make usage of damage mods. And you gotta keep in mind that objective type games allways require you to go CQC and thats where the fatal flaw lies with shield suits. Shield tanked heavys cannot receive any support at all when defending/attacking a objective while the amarr sentinel can bricktank with 4 plates, have a damage mod and a logi repping him for over 100HP/s. Same scenario goes aswell for assault suits.

Armor has way too many advantages. They can be repped, they have feroscale plates which give more HP then shield extenders, they can fit damage mods without having a drawback on their main tank. What does shield have? Mobility and shield regulators which only lower the shield recharge delay.

basically shields are lacking:
-firepower
-survivability
-logi support

All 3 are keys to attack a objective. And the fact that there is no rifle which annihilates armor suits like the scrambler does it to shields is aswell a problem. Throwing nanohives and spamming core locus grenades is not to be accounted as logi support. Cause every 1 can do that without the need of a proto cal. logi.

Honestly without changing anything, we could just have more open points (level design folks!) and that right there would be a solid indirect buff to shields. Regardless, it is silly to say a rep tool for shields is magically different than a rep tool for armor. It isn't, and in case you didn't notice, rep tools are a tad powerful in general.

Just played dom as a amarr sentinel (dominus with 100% free fit) on the gal. research facility. had 3 random logis repping me while i went 32/2 and got ranked 4th, the 3 logis got over 4000 WP each. Yeah right how are shield suits supposed to deal with this? And yes i even survived beeing core locus spammed so thats not the solution to it.