DUST Search - Why is there so much bad player behavior in Domination?

KingBabar wrote:

@ MAD S

- Again, stop being childish and post your personal missconceptions as thruth. I have never Q-synced in Pub games, well, except for FW, (which I hardly ever play) does that even count?

- And I do "play as I preach", its not always fun being a 3 man group going up against for example a very good Prima Gallicus squad in skirmish, we normally get utterly stomped. Though many of them really hates me, I doubt they'll claim I'm a player that don't give it all I have. Many of those games I barely go positive, its hard and frurstrating mostly fighting 2-3 highly skilled betavets in full proto vs 1, but very much fun!

- And again, I am so very tired of repeating this point but you guys just can't seem to let it go. Stop pretending that I am always in a very strong 6 man squad up against a bunch of random noobs. Sometimes we are the ones with half a squad or indeed with a relatively weak squad being put up against 2 protosquads and our team is the one getting utterly stomped. Stop pretending that its all so one sided. Being on the receiving end however, don't make me or indeed most of my friends camp on a rooftop taking the occational potshot for 20 minutes, at least we try.

- For me, this game is indeed not for KDR, ISK and SP. Its about WL/R, friendship and achieveing something as a group that we can't do as individuals. As I said earlier, if people cared more about their WL/R and less about their KDRs, more action and less stat-padding, I think Dust would be a much more fun game to play for all.

- Thank you for calling me a scrub. Its the nicest insult I've gotten so far in this thread.


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Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 460	Posted - 2015.02.25 12:25:00 - [1] - Quote KingBabar wrote: I see it in way too many battles, a team loses the intial push for the objective and 20 minutes of utter boredom follows. "Lets place our links on this tall building close to our redline and try to snipe and FG for the rest of the game, that'll show them who can play!" This is a game mode with 1 , let me repeat: 1 objective. And you can't even be bothered to try, not even a little. If desperately trying to survive on some rooftop is your goal for this game, please do so in Ambush. Then atleast we can kill you all off, end the game and hope we face someone better the next game. The same scenario in Skirmish is not quite so bad, at least the game will end fairly quick. After playing Warhawk for some years, followed by MAG, Dust clearly has the worst playerbase of the 3 games. What is your reasoning for this behavior? Is it really any fun for you? Do you really think you will improve your gungame or indeed your tactical play by virtually doing nothing? Can anyone make sence of it? I really try to inderstand but I fail misserably... You Sir are a SCRUB! Let me elaborate... This game is about three things, KDR, ISK and SP. Most of your newfound corpmates are KDR whores. You yourself are a Protostomper par excellence! All you guys drown in ISK and can run Proto with no real impact on your wallet. You camp uplinks and hunt down militia suits as if it would show that you are a good player... LOL You have the impertinence of complaining that the average Dust player can't run at you in proto, and doesn't want to run at you in militia 24/7? You are just a pathetic tryhard and will always be one. You don't get that it's no fun whatsoever to play against q-synced proto squads in pub games. As long as you don't constantly stomp pub games in Militia/BPO suits, you will have no respect from me, since only then you would show your skill! You have never been playing against players with waaaayy more SP than you have, since you are one of the original lolvets in this game. You had the chance to grow into this game with nobody way above your SP level. That is a big difference to the average low SP (sub 20 mil SP) guy in this game. The game doesn't reward pushing for objectives, so why bother, especcially since a lot of top corps value kdr very high instead of W/L ratio. So spoiling your KDR while being a low level player, won't help you being accepted into the lolvet corps you guys are running. The only thing that will solve your problem, is either you stop being a tryhard, and run low level suits with your q-syncing buddies, or CCP banns high meta gear from pub games. I would prefer the second option, since I know that you lolscrubs will never run anything less than proto in pub games. Just like in EVE, where you can't run Titans in high sec, it shouldn't be allowed to run proto gear in high sec pub games. You might say that you guys would still stomp the **** out of everybody, well, that might be the case, but it would be less of a having no chance to even try situation.
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 463	Posted - 2015.02.25 13:20:00 - [2] - Quote KingBabar wrote: @ MAD S - Again, stop being childish and post your personal missconceptions as thruth. I have never Q-synced in Pub games, well, except for FW, (which I hardly ever play) does that even count? - And I do "play as I preach", its not always fun being a 3 man group going up against for example a very good Prima Gallicus squad in skirmish, we normally get utterly stomped. Though many of them really hates me, I doubt they'll claim I'm a player that don't give it all I have. Many of those games I barely go positive, its hard and frurstrating mostly fighting 2-3 highly skilled betavets in full proto vs 1, but very much fun! - And again, I am so very tired of repeating this point but you guys just can't seem to let it go. Stop pretending that I am always in a very strong 6 man squad up against a bunch of random noobs. Sometimes we are the ones with half a squad or indeed with a relatively weak squad being put up against 2 protosquads and our team is the one getting utterly stomped. Stop pretending that its all so one sided. Being on the receiving end however, don't make me or indeed most of my friends camp on a rooftop taking the occational potshot for 20 minutes, at least we try. - For me, this game is indeed not for KDR, ISK and SP. Its about WL/R, friendship and achieveing something as a group that we can't do as individuals. As I said earlier, if people cared more about their WL/R and less about their KDRs, more action and less stat-padding, I think Dust would be a much more fun game to play for all. - Thank you for calling me a scrub. Its the nicest insult I've gotten so far in this thread. You are welcome... lol My gripe is not purely against you Babar, but against the group of high SP/loads of ISK Players in this game who can afford to run Proto 24/7 without breaking a sweat. I myself have been an all in player for the longest time in this game (though I don't run proto in pubs usually). I have reduced that in the last 4-7 month because it's not that much fun if you are one of the few who push at all. I still do it when I run in a squad, but if I run solo, I usually spread uplinks in medium to high positions (but only if it's possible to push from said high positions) and often end up protecting said links in a minmando with swarms. I love to run into objectives in a 'Renegade' Minmando just to cause mayhem and take out as much links and damage as much reds to give the blues an incentive to rush an objective. But I still don't like unbalanced games and Pubs with loads of proto on one side and way less on the ohter or with squads on one side and single players on the other. These are just no fun and there is not much of an incentive to push objectives in those situations. I think I know where you come from, but I also think you underestimate the wallet that allows you to waste 1-2 mil in a game just to keep the pressure up. The average non PC playing Duster can't do that. I know because I tried, and running proto is no option for me. I only have a steady income since I got my APEX suits, which allow me to stay in a lost game without too much ISK loss. I will however leave a Factional where I see two Q-synced Negative Feedback squads on the other side with no squad on my side. It's just a waste of time in factional, since you don't get the payout if you loose. So as long as there is no punishment for leaving those games early, I'll just do the logical thing and leave you guys to your thing. I would prefer if the guys who can run Proto all day would be pushed into their own little corner where they could duke it out against each other... Oh wait that corner is called PC, and that's where you guys should go with your shiny suits, so that the average player can have fun in pubs.
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 468	Posted - 2015.02.25 17:42:00 - [3] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: We do not run proto in factions I don't allow it. I'm sure 1-3 guys do but when we Qsync there should be no proto.. That's actually something I appreciate... I also appreciate that you guys kick of factional games by deploying two squads for Amarr recently. I still don't see the point trying to win against two q-synced squads of one of the highest ranking (lifetime sp + PC experience corps in the game). It's just a waste of time... And I doubt it's a lot of fun for you guys, even if most of you run basic gear. It would be cool if scotty could put you into a game of at least two squads of the same caliber to make it an even fight. But to get to that point we need more players to stick to the game, and to get there, they need to have fun in the basic game modes, also knnown as pub games.
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 470	Posted - 2015.02.25 18:32:00 - [4] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Mad Syringe wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: We do not run proto in factions I don't allow it. I'm sure 1-3 guys do but when we Qsync there should be no proto.. That's actually something I appreciate... I also appreciate that you guys kick of factional games by deploying two squads for Amarr recently. I still don't see the point trying to win against two q-synced squads of one of the highest ranking (lifetime sp + PC experience corps in the game). It's just a waste of time... And I doubt it's a lot of fun for you guys, even if most of you run basic gear. It would be cool if scotty could put you into a game of at least two squads of the same caliber to make it an even fight. But to get to that point we need more players to stick to the game, and to get there, they need to have fun in the basic game modes, also knnown as pub games. I understand I just wanted to point out we don't proto qsync.. We usually do caldari/amarr. And supposedly a new game mode is coming out so maybe that'll spice things up. Most groups qsync min/gal so we try to fight them but sometimes it doesn't work that way. That's cool anyway, since FW is supposed to be a all in gamemode where you bring your best and give it all for your faction. I hope we will get something like a corp battle mode, where the big corps can duke it out against each other without spoiling the fun for the less organized players.