[quote=Nothing Certain]

Granted, as people have mentioned, they could deploy their assault, put down uplinks in it, then switch to the same assault with active equipment instead of deployable, thereby cheating the system.

For the record, I don't think that is cheating at all. That's just smart. I do the exact same thing in my logi suit once I have reached my bandwidth threshold. It's a totally legit thing to do as it adheres to the limitations placed upon us by the bandwidth system.

Let's not mistake ingenuity with foul play.

Spam away everyone. The team with the most spammed equipment on the field while its not on their present fitting wins should be a game mode.

I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Logistics
noun

definition: the detailed coordination of a complex operation involving many people, facilities, or supplies.

military usage: the organization of moving, housing, and supplying troops and equipment.

Bandwidth is allowing logis to truly be the masters of the supply line and quantity matters just as much quality. If you're a true logi, you should be thrilled by this and thriving in your intended role.

I shall do "slayer fit logi"

"What ho good sir, I have just dropped all of my hives and will now swap to my tanked fit with cheap equipment and help you push the objective!"

*enemy comes around the corner, sees bright yellow and opens fire. Bullets are exchanged, but alas, the logi fails to have the mobility or firepower of the enemy Assault and dies.*

"Must have been a fluke! Here we go again!"

*fatty belly flops on him*

"will..." *primaried, respawns.*

"you..." *primaried, respawns.*

"Bastards." *primaried, respawns.*

"Quit" *primaried, respawns.*

"Shooting..." *primaried, respawns.*

"Me..." *primaried, respawns.*

First..." *primaried, respawns.*

yeah. flashy yellow suits. Slayer fit logis are a HUGE worry as you can see with their lower tank than assaults.

I really don't think anyone here is saying a logi is switching to a slayer logi. It is the assaults that can have 4 uplinks active while being slayer assaults.

I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Logistics
noun

definition: the detailed coordination of a complex operation involving many people, facilities, or supplies.

military usage: the organization of moving, housing, and supplying troops and equipment.

Bandwidth is allowing logis to truly be the masters of the supply line and quantity matters just as much quality. If you're a true logi, you should be thrilled by this and thriving in your intended role.

I have to disagree with you on this.

If you are a true logi, you always carry your nanohives with you, to better expedite ammo to team-mates in need. You always carry your uplinks with you so you can create a new spawn point as the battlefield changes and enemy positions change.

Spamming as much equipment as BW lets you then changing to pure active equipment is not, "a true logi." Deployable equipment isn't about having as many as you can on the field, it's about placing them is appropriate locations at appropriate times, and you are doing neither if you place it all at once in relative close proximity to each other.

This is, simply put, the mentality of a WP farmer.

I have to disagree with you on this.

If you are a true logi, you always carry your nanohives with you, to better expedite ammo to team-mates in need. You always carry your uplinks with you so you can create a new spawn point as the battlefield changes and enemy positions change.

Spamming as much equipment as BW lets you then changing to pure active equipment is not, "a true logi." Deployable equipment isn't about having as many as you can on the field, it's about placing them is appropriate locations at appropriate times, and you are doing neither if you place it all at once in relative close proximity to each other.

This is, simply put, the mentality of a WP farmer.

There is advanced deployment and ongoing support. They are both necessary.

Advanced deployment happens less now because role-switchers are doing less of it. As a Logi, it made me all "jelly" to see a speed scout race in ahead and drop links and hives, then switch to a Sentinel for the rest of the battle. That job, I thought, was what a dedicated Logi should be doing and getting "credit" for. It just so happened that folks who did this also tended to spam those links and hives when they could get to a supply depot because they didn't take the role seriously and took advantage of every "feature" of the system. Perhaps only 25% of what they deployed was team-useful. Bandwidth threw this 25% out with the spam. Perhaps more Logi's will enter the game and make up the difference, but I certainly see less advance-deployed equipment now than before. I used to NEVER see a map that didn't have at least one uplink to fall back on. Now it happens, and the rare dedicated Logi is sore pressed to make up the difference when it does.

The ongoing support duty you describe is also essential to the team, and my favorite aspect of being a squad-support Logi. But it is very difficult to do given the harsh limits on # carried (not deployable) of equipment. There are several threads which suggest increasing this, particularly for Logi suits or skills. I think that needs to happen. It was suggested that a Logi revamp would happen right after Bandwidth, and would include something along those lines. Still waiting...

There is advanced deployment and ongoing support. They are both necessary.

Advanced deployment happens less now because role-switchers are doing less of it. As a Logi, it made me all "jelly" to see a speed scout race in ahead and drop links and hives, then switch to a Sentinel for the rest of the battle. That job, I thought, was what a dedicated Logi should be doing and getting "credit" for. It just so happened that folks who did this also tended to spam those links and hives when they could get to a supply depot because they didn't take the role seriously and took advantage of every "feature" of the system. Perhaps only 25% of what they deployed was team-useful. Bandwidth threw this 25% out with the spam. Perhaps more Logi's will enter the game and make up the difference, but I certainly see less advance-deployed equipment now than before. I used to NEVER see a map that didn't have at least one uplink to fall back on. Now it happens, and the rare dedicated Logi is sore pressed to make up the difference when it does.

The ongoing support duty you describe is also essential to the team, and my favorite aspect of being a squad-support Logi. But it is very difficult to do given the harsh limits on # carried (not deployable) of equipment. There are several threads which suggest increasing this, particularly for Logi suits or skills. I think that needs to happen. It was suggested that a Logi revamp would happen right after Bandwidth, and would include something along those lines. Still waiting...

Looking back at my replays.. just about ever game I play now is one-sided. I think band with is allowing better players to easily predict how a game is evolving and squash it earily. It removes them wildcard players that can turn battles around.

I think if you wanted easy mode the band with has really changed the game into a stomp or be stomped play style.

I see lots more players disconnecting from battles not just the players whom care about k d.

Nothing to adapt into I agree the new play style is only fun for logins.. boring otherwise.

You are still going on with the bandwidth whining? Adapt.

In reality, bandwidth requires a team to have good role composition now. You can't have a super slayer player also pull double duty as a logi by flinging a dozen uplinks everywhere at the beginning of a match. With bandwidth in place the team needs that super slayer AND an accompanying player running logi to fling those uplinks, repair tool, etc.

The best way to ensure this is to join a squad OH NO I SAID THE "S" WORD!

In a squad, you and your squadmates can talk pre-match.

"I'll pack uplinks and so will Steve."
"I'm going to run scout with a scanner this time."
"Good. I'm going assault with needles."

You have done the pre-planning necessary to ensure the team has what it needs to earn a victory.

But solo players, they just derp around trying to guess what the team needs when half of the blueberries probably don't even speak your native language.

Or everyone drop uplinks then switch to slayer assault. that seems to be what im seeing.

Bandwidth is here for good. The days of being able to have your cake and eat it too are over. Don't whine. Adapt.

But seriously, you play your way and I'll play my way. My squads appreciate what I do--having numerous well placed proto uplinks placed on the field at all times, non-stop dual proto scanners, proto repping, frequent orbital strikes, etc.--and that's all the proof I need to support and justify my play style.

No offense intended.

[...] then you are cheating the game, since it conflicts with the game designer's intentions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxi-IUnCN_8

If CCP intended for the game to work in a particular way, then they should have put controls in place to ensure that the game works that way.

There is no cheating; only what a man can do and what a man can't do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxi-IUnCN_8

If CCP intended for the game to work in a particular way, then they should have put controls in place to ensure that the game works that way.

There is no cheating; only what a man can do and what a man can't do.

You are a gentleman and a scholar.

Thing is, the way you play vs the way I play is irrelevant. The topic of discussion when you quoted me for the first time was cheating BW by changing to all active equipment, and it is cheating. Allow me to explain.

Ask yourself this. What was it that BW was implemented for? To stop someone from playing multiple roles by deploying large sums of equipment as a logi and then changing to a slayer? To stop equipment spam? To buff logi's? I'd say all of the above.

Now, obviously CCP was the one who put BW in the game, and continuing along that thought, that means CCP does not condone playing multiple roles at once, and continuing even farther with that thought, then if you are playing multiple roles at once, then you are cheating the game, since it conflicts with the game designer's intentions. Logical, right?

So, with the tactic you described, what are you doing if not playing multiple roles at once? At most, a logi will hold 4 equipment. If you use a logi with 4 equipment for your tactic, then you have 8 equipment at once. Therefore, you are playing the role of two logi's at one time. And with the previous paragraph's conclusion, that means it is cheating.

Undoubtedly your team likes your playstyle, how is that any justification to have it in the game? I liked my team-mates' playstyles when they spammed tanks in the days of god-tanks, did that justify god-tanks? No, it just means I liked it because I won the game with them on my team. Just like I hated it when they were on the enemy team.