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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.12.29 13:23:00 -
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NextDark Knight wrote:But I can tell you that 80% of the time I'm put on a losing team with the new bandwidth changes. Are you solo queuing? If so, that's why. Stop solo queuing and you will start winning matches.
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Posted - 2014.12.29 14:55:00 -
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Clone D wrote:I AM NOT SAYING THAT BANDWIDTH FORCES US TO PLAY ONE ROLE. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PUSH FOR OUR BEING FORCED TO PLAY ONE ROLE. So what? There are people who believe the moon landing was faked There are people who believe a lot of silly stuff. The people you are addressing are a minority of players.
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Posted - 2014.12.29 15:54:00 -
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voidfaction wrote: But you can keep some of the EQ you drop even if the fitting you swap to does not have any EQ. So YOU CAN play 2 roles. 1 drop EQ 2 switch to HP stacked proto weapon fitting with no EQ that you would not be able to use if you had EQ on your suit. 3 gain effects of 2 roles in 1.
You are still an assault though. Even with the equipment deployed and proto weapon, you are an assault. Your role is the same.
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Posted - 2014.12.29 16:30:00 -
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NextDark Knight wrote:Didn't have to squad up before to be a deciding factor in a battle. Adapt and overcome. If you are not willing to adapt to a changing battlefield you were doomed to fail from the start.
While Dust 514 can technically be played solo, it is best enjoyed in a squad. You don't even have to mic up, just be listening. Join an active corp or channel with people you enjoy playing with. Join a few channels so that when you login you can LFS in a few at once; saves a lot of time.
If you are okay with occasionally having to listen to a squeaky 12 year old, try the squad finder. I've meet a few interesting mercs in squad finder and I still squad with them to this day.
NextDark Knight wrote:Now I'm either part of the grinder or part of the meat. I can go 20 and 1 from fighting on our redline and still have no effect on the battle. If you went 20/1 then you helped you team and definitely effected the battle, regardless of if you earned a victory.
NextDark Knight wrote:But Bandwidth makes a select few very happy... for me it just makes the game a little duller. It prevents rampant WP spam. If reducing WP spam makes the game more dull for you then so be it
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Posted - 2014.12.29 18:40:00 -
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LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:Again, the mentality is looking at the long range. If an assault switches to double swarm commando to take out a passing dropship, and then back to assault. they were able to project power that an assault suit couldnt. A double swarm commando has zero anti infantry ability. Why should an anti infantry assault suit be able to gain for 20 seconds heavy AV power, and then, once my dropship is shot down, switch back to assault and go after my clone? Because the player is only able to occupy a role at a time. When you are in that commando dropsuit you don't get [insert assault dropsuit command bonuses]. When you are in an assault dropsuit you don't get the commando's two light weapons, higher eHP, etc.
LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:Basically everyone else gets to have fun and meet situations accordingly. Not me. if I do such a thing, since im frequently the only guy with uplinks, now my team has to spawn out of the redline. A invisible scout can go to a 1200HP HMG suit, clear out a squad, and then go back to being an invisible scout. People can switch roles the second theirs is obsolete. Run with a squad. Designate who will carry uplinks. Pray the blueberries don't drop many uplinks so you and your squad get mad WP's. Enjoy.
Also, why don't people realize you can fit uplinks to a suit other than a logi? I fit uplinks to my assault fittings frequently and it works great. If I see the blueberries are dropping uplinks then I switch to a needle fitting.
LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:Also, Proto assaults and scouts can put out as much equipment as a STD logi, despite being not a logistics. Where is your justification in that? Because they are in a proto dropsuit. It's one of minor advantages of a proto dropsuit: more bandwidth. The logis remain kings of bandwidth when you compare them against the appropriate tiers; standand logi vs. standard assault, proto logi vs. proto assault.
LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:I respect your choice to be in a squad, it would be nice if you could respect my choice to not be in one. http://dust514.com/game/faq/
"Combat in DUST 514 is tactical and squad-based"
Solo play is only allowed because forcing people into squads makes people yell and scream. Being a solo player is willingly accepting a handicap and bringing your team down, potentially causing a defeat.
Please squad up so if we happen to be on the same team you will be useful. Please squad up so if you are on my opposing team you will present a challenge.
P.S. - All of the generalizations you described on squad comms won't happen if you find squadmates you enjoy playing with. Sounds like you have had some poor experiences before. That sucks. Find higher quality people to squad with.
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.12.29 18:54:00 -
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Z3dog wrote:Assaults and scouts running rep tools are performing multiple roles at the same time.
Assaults and scouts running uplinks are performing multiple roles at the same time.
Assaults and scouts running nanite injectors are performing multiple roles at the same time.
Assaults and scouts running swarms (or plasma cannon), AV grenades, and a non AV side arm are performing multiple roles at the same time. Logis can run multiple pieces of equipment, and higher tier equipment due to their PG/CPU reduction bonus. If I'm an assault I can only have one deployable in play and then one non-deployable in play (assuming I am willing to spend the time switching fittings).
If I'm a logi I can field multiple deployables and non-deployables at once. The equipment I bring to the table also receives a bonus that assaults can't take advantage of (e.g. more rep range on the Minmatar logi).
So yeah, the argument isn't bullshit. It's 100% valid.
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.12.29 19:25:00 -
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LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:As for the assaults dropping uplinks, I see that as infringing on a logis territory. Its bad enough that I have to stay in my suit. Now other suits can do my role too? Kind of ridiculous. You are hilarious. I'm not infringing on a logi's role by fitting a single uplink An Amarr logi's uplinks are faster and last longer than mine, and he can fit more of them.
LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:At this point I've asked you politely several times to leave me alone with telling me to join a squad. The next time I decline to be in a squad, I will be much more abrupt in my reply. Please, respect my choice. The answer to a squad now is no, tomorrow its no....its always no. Thank you.
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.12.29 19:51:00 -
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Z3dog wrote:You completely ignored what the statement was saying. Which is probably why you didn't include it in the quote. The statement addresses playing multiple roles at the same time. Not the effectiveness different suits have at performing those roles.
Also (the rep tool as an example) any non logi suit with an equipment slot can run the rep tool as well as 3/4 of logistics suits.
The fitting bonus logis receive is only worthwhile when their are multiple equipment slots being filled. A single equipment slot is negligible. Scouts make up for their poor fitting bonus with speed. Their speed actually making them better than logistics at running certain equipment. A scout will never be as good at supporting their team with equipment as a logi. This isn't a debate. The speed might help in certain situations, but it does not trump the increased effectiveness logis receive with their tools of the trade.
Logis need more eHP to increase their survivability a tad. That is mostly unrelated to the topic but needs to be said.
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Posted - 2014.12.29 21:07:00 -
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Z3dog wrote:I don't need to site a source on that claim I only need to play the game. In PC (an extreme minority) games are completely squad based. In FW there is an increase in squads, but its still a toss up. It is undeniable in public contracts that the majority are solo players and even if they weren't a squad wouldn't protect them from squads of Protostompers which is likely a large factor in them quitting. IF they quit. Still no data or source to back up what you are saying then? Just purely anecdotal "evidence". Understood.
Z3dog wrote:"Please provide a screen capture of a scout dropsuit that gives a passive bonus to equipment other than a cloaking device." Oh man this is a gem. "Provide a screen capture of a scout getting a bonus to equipment other than the piece of equipment I say!" Because the scout's bonus with a cloak doesn't support his team in the same way a logi's bonus with uplinks, nanohives, repair tools, or active scanners does. It mostly helps the scout himself survive when crossing wide breaks in cover or flank unsuspecting hostiles. While the cloak is active the scout's scan radius actually drops, removing any shared passive squad scans.
Sure, logis get bonuses with equipment and scouts technically do to, but it's not comparing apples to apples and you know it, homie
Z3dog wrote:And scouts AREN'T required to use a cloak. The two equipment slots are available for any equipment they want. Yes, but the scout's bandwidth is purposefully gimped so they can't fit two deployable equipment. He also doesn't recieve a single bonus with the deployable equipment he carries.
I'll also say again, if a scout wants to drop higher tier equipment he is going to eat through his CPU/PG. This won't leave nearly as much resource left to tank or fit decent weapons. In short, he's sacrificing much for the ability to carry two pieces of equipment that he doesn't even get passive bonuses for.
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.12.29 21:51:00 -
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Z3dog wrote:You seriously disagree that solo players make up the majority of public contracts? I never declared it to be evidence it is clearly stated as an experience. I have no data to make a statement one way or another. I don't interview every blueberry post-patch to see if they were in a squad or not. I simply don't know and neither do you.
Z3dog wrote:I know its not apples to apples, but you said it yourself "logis get bonuses with equipment and scouts technically do to" you cannot say that scouts do not get a bonus to equipment. Yet someone who is a scout can drop uplinks and equip a rep tool (perform two roles at the same time) and that is apparently ok when a scout does it. A scout can fit a repair tool but he is going to suck in a big way. An assault can fit a nanohive, but those hives will never perform as well as those dropped by a Caldari logi.
Z3dog wrote:A logi cannot run high tier equipment and expect to tank effectively either. Or equip decent weapons. Caldari logi I threw together vs. Caldari scout I threw together
Logi: 625.7 eHP, 6 total hives functioning with more nanites and higher resupply/repair rate plus an advanced needle for when the hives run out. Enough bandwidth to deploy 5 hives at once.
Scout: 582.2 eHP, 6 total hives with no bonuses, no needle for when the hives pop. Enough bandwidth to deploy 2 hives at once...
Scout walk/strafe: 5.43m/s Logi walk/strafe: 4.61m/s
So you are saying that scouts are as good as being a logi because of... 0.82m/s walk/strafe speeds and an advanced weapon?
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Posted - 2014.12.31 17:11:00 -
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NextDark Knight wrote:Looking back at my replays.. just about ever game I play now is one-sided. I think band with is allowing better players to easily predict how a game is evolving and squash it earily. It removes them wildcard players that can turn battles around.
I think if you wanted easy mode the band with has really changed the game into a stomp or be stomped play style.
I see lots more players disconnecting from battles not just the players whom care about k d. You are still going on with the bandwidth whining? Adapt.
In reality, bandwidth requires a team to have good role composition now. You can't have a super slayer player also pull double duty as a logi by flinging a dozen uplinks everywhere at the beginning of a match. With bandwidth in place the team needs that super slayer AND an accompanying player running logi to fling those uplinks, repair tool, etc.
The best way to ensure this is to join a squad OH NO I SAID THE "S" WORD!
In a squad, you and your squadmates can talk pre-match.
"I'll pack uplinks and so will Steve." "I'm going to run scout with a scanner this time." "Good. I'm going assault with needles."
You have done the pre-planning necessary to ensure the team has what it needs to earn a victory.
But solo players, they just derp around trying to guess what the team needs when half of the blueberries probably don't even speak your native language.
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Posted - 2014.12.31 17:56:00 -
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NextDark Knight wrote:Nothing to adapt into I agree the new play style is only fun for logins.. boring otherwise. Are you aware that commandos, scouts, and assaults get equipment too? Sure, it won't perform as well as a logi, and you can't field a dozen deployables. It still nets you WPs and helps your team/squad.
Or are you willingly ignoring that fact?
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Posted - 2014.12.31 18:43:00 -
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voidfaction wrote:Or everyone drop uplinks then switch to slayer assault. that seems to be what im seeing. It's a good tactic. Open with the deployable assault, then switch to the needle/active scanner assault. Switch back to deployables if you notice your uplinks have popped.
/me rolls in WPs.
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Posted - 2014.12.31 19:49:00 -
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SirManBoy wrote:Bandwidth is here for good. The days of being able to have your cake and eat it too are over. Don't whine. Adapt. Goooood, gooood. Let the hate flow through you. Use it to punish the logi tourists.
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Posted - 2015.01.02 13:49:00 -
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NextDark Knight wrote:After you cut though the bullshit Bandwidth was something fun they wanted to implement. It's a broken mechanic that just shoe horns this game into more of a lobby shooter then a MMO monster it should be. Bandwidth allows logistics dropsuits to be useful beyond the first 2 minutes of a match, before you swap to your slayer assault, scout, or sentinel fitting You are so butthurt because you can't do this anymore that is a adorable.
NextDark Knight wrote:This buffs squad play to a new level of overpowered and no love for us solo players. Music to my ears
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Posted - 2015.01.02 15:46:00 -
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NextDark Knight wrote:People like Ripple that want to force people to play the game only the way they see it and limit players options. I'm not against players having options, but I am against options that negate a role entirely. No role should have it's bonuses used, then be able to be tossed aside. Imagine if you could fit a sentinel dropsuit, receive the resistance and splash damage reduction bonuses, plus fit heavy weapons to your dropsuits, then switch to a scout.
The sentinel wouldn't be very useful, would it?
Players would use it as a means to receive perks then switch to other dropsuits. That is what was happening to logi dropsuits. It was bullshit, and you know it.
NextDark Knight wrote:and the internal CCP staff and external CCP consultants that want to see this game burn to the ground. Yes, a business wants to see a source of profit "burn to the burn"... /s
Also, "Ripple"? I love it. It's my new nickname. Check the sig.
Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley.
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