Bandwidth has already made the game much more boring already.

Please don't force us to play one role, you controlling despots.

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Granted, as people have mentioned, they could deploy their assault, put down uplinks in it, then switch to the same assault with active equipment instead of deployable, thereby cheating the system.

Spam away everyone. The team with the most spammed equipment on the field while its not on their present fitting wins should be a game mode.

I have to disagree with you on this.

If you are a true logi, you always carry your nanohives with you, to better expedite ammo to team-mates in need. You always carry your uplinks with you so you can create a new spawn point as the battlefield changes and enemy positions change.

Spamming as much equipment as BW lets you then changing to pure active equipment is not, "a true logi." Deployable equipment isn't about having as many as you can on the field, it's about placing them is appropriate locations at appropriate times, and you are doing neither if you place it all at once in relative close proximity to each other.

This is, simply put, the mentality of a WP farmer.

There is advanced deployment and ongoing support. They are both necessary.

Advanced deployment happens less now because role-switchers are doing less of it. As a Logi, it made me all "jelly" to see a speed scout race in ahead and drop links and hives, then switch to a Sentinel for the rest of the battle. That job, I thought, was what a dedicated Logi should be doing and getting "credit" for. It just so happened that folks who did this also tended to spam those links and hives when they could get to a supply depot because they didn't take the role seriously and took advantage of every "feature" of the system. Perhaps only 25% of what they deployed was team-useful. Bandwidth threw this 25% out with the spam. Perhaps more Logi's will enter the game and make up the difference, but I certainly see less advance-deployed equipment now than before. I used to NEVER see a map that didn't have at least one uplink to fall back on. Now it happens, and the rare dedicated Logi is sore pressed to make up the difference when it does.

The ongoing support duty you describe is also essential to the team, and my favorite aspect of being a squad-support Logi. But it is very difficult to do given the harsh limits on # carried (not deployable) of equipment. There are several threads which suggest increasing this, particularly for Logi suits or skills. I think that needs to happen. It was suggested that a Logi revamp would happen right after Bandwidth, and would include something along those lines. Still waiting...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxi-IUnCN_8

If CCP intended for the game to work in a particular way, then they should have put controls in place to ensure that the game works that way.

There is no cheating; only what a man can do and what a man can't do.

Thing is, the way you play vs the way I play is irrelevant. The topic of discussion when you quoted me for the first time was cheating BW by changing to all active equipment, and it is cheating. Allow me to explain.

Ask yourself this. What was it that BW was implemented for? To stop someone from playing multiple roles by deploying large sums of equipment as a logi and then changing to a slayer? To stop equipment spam? To buff logi's? I'd say all of the above.

Now, obviously CCP was the one who put BW in the game, and continuing along that thought, that means CCP does not condone playing multiple roles at once, and continuing even farther with that thought, then if you are playing multiple roles at once, then you are cheating the game, since it conflicts with the game designer's intentions. Logical, right?

So, with the tactic you described, what are you doing if not playing multiple roles at once? At most, a logi will hold 4 equipment. If you use a logi with 4 equipment for your tactic, then you have 8 equipment at once. Therefore, you are playing the role of two logi's at one time. And with the previous paragraph's conclusion, that means it is cheating.

Undoubtedly your team likes your playstyle, how is that any justification to have it in the game? I liked my team-mates' playstyles when they spammed tanks in the days of god-tanks, did that justify god-tanks? No, it just means I liked it because I won the game with them on my team. Just like I hated it when they were on the enemy team.

Basically all that you've said is, "even though the introduction of BW points all signs to the developers not wanting a single person to play multiple roles, they've spoken to me and only me, and that isn't the case, so just trust me."

As if you've ever at any point earned the trust of the community by doing anything at all. I've never even seen you making a presence in any thread besides this one and another dev thread where all you posted was, "In." Obviously I haven't read every thread ever made, but even the small number of threads I do read, I regularly see IWS, Soraya, and Zatara, and they actually contribute to the discussion instead of just saying, "I know what the devs want, and this isn't it."

As to one of your specific statements, "A good way to tell if your actions violate the rules of the system is to observe whether or not your equipment starts popping," you see, I already broke that argument when I responded to Clone D. You aren't even arguing that I'm wrong(because you can't), you are just arguing that the game doesn't prevent you from doing it.

I would've thought you would have understood that I was implying that there should be a fix implemented to this problem, like adding BW to active equipment as well, but maybe that went over your head.

To top all of this off, you've stated that you use this tactic for your own benefit, so there's a conflict of interest if there ever was one. Obviously you wouldn't want a fix when you are actively gaining from this tactic. Maybe call up one of your CPM buddies to read my argument, and if they disagree they can actually give me an argument rather than, "I"m CPM I know what the devs want."