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Clone D
Grundstein Automation
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Posted - 2014.12.28 22:31:00 -
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I have seen forum entries that speak to forcing people to pick one role and stick to it.
This frightens me in a n.a.z.i kind of way.
1. There is not enough team level communication prior to a match in order to designate how many of each role will be played. For instance, I wouldn't want to end up on a team with ten snipers, five logis and one assault. Allowing players to change roles during a match allows a team to naturally balance itself in accordance with the needs particular to that battle. If a needed role is absent, someone should be able to change into that role in order to support the team.
2. There are various situations where multiple roles are needed. Sometimes, only one soldier is left behind to defend an objective. That soldier may want to lay some proxies and then change into a dropsuit more conducive to a gunfight. There is nothing inherently or philosophically wrong with that. Only highly regimented and scary tyrants want to take away the individual's right to self expression in multiple facets.
3. Humans have what is called need for competence, which essentially means that when you master one skill, then you GET BORED if you don't progress to mastering another skill. If you force people to just play one role in a match, or all of the time, then you will effectively create a BORING game. Thanks for making life mundane.
Bandwidth has already made the game much more boring already.
Please don't force us to play one role, you controlling despots.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.12.28 22:33:00 -
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Clone D wrote:
3. Humans have what is called need for competence, which essentially means that when you master one skill, then you GET BORED if you don't progress to mastering another skill. If you force people to just play one role in a match, or all of the time, then you will effectively create a BORING game. Thanks for making life mundane.
Humans are rarely if ever competent.
Band width only affects one role and all it does is suggest if you want to be able to use the benefits of that role you need to keep using it.
You cannot swap out of being a heavy but keep your Heavy Machine Gun. You cannot swap out of scout and keep your Cloak and bonuses, nor can you swap out of Assault and have your magazine or heat build up bonuses.
If you want the benefits of Logistical suit bandwidth you need to remain in a Logisitcs role on the field until your role is complete or you die.
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
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Posted - 2014.12.28 22:34:00 -
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Nobody forces you...
You could always switch to Assault during the match. The team and you probably won't like spawning at the MCC every time you die though...
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Sequal's Back
Les Desanusseurs
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Posted - 2014.12.28 22:40:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Nobody forces you...
You could always switch to Assault during the match. The team and you probably won't like spawning at the MCC every time you die though... Which means that you are forced to stay as a logi.. nice.. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.12.28 22:47:00 -
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Bandwidth doesn't get in my way of switching roles. If I play as a logi and set a bunch of uplinks, I can switch to an assault when I feel my team is doing alright enough, and still keep 2 of those uplinks active (an assault can support 2 uplinks). Often the value of the equipment deployed is outweighed by the value of the role you're switching to, so don't worry so much about losing some equipment, and just switch roles if you really feel you need to.
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Clone D
Grundstein Automation
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Posted - 2014.12.28 22:51:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Bandwidth doesn't get in my way of switching roles. If I play as a logi and set a bunch of uplinks, I can switch to an assault when I feel my team is doing alright enough, and still keep 2 of those uplinks active (an assault can support 2 uplinks). Often the value of the equipment deployed is outweighed by the value of the role you're switching to, so don't worry so much about losing some equipment, and just switch roles if you really feel you need to.
Some people in the forums are saying that people should be limited to playing only one role. That is what this thread is about.
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gustavo acosta
Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.28 22:55:00 -
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Clone D wrote: Some people in the forums are saying that people should be limited to playing only one role. That is what this thread is about.
Who says that? And on what subjects?
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.12.28 22:57:00 -
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Bandwith is a good idea.....I switch to many roles in pubs and pcs. Not being allowed to do everything at once is good for balance. There is nothing in this game that requires anyone to be limited to one role besides sp (and that increases as you play).
Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
11843
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Posted - 2014.12.28 22:57:00 -
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Clone D wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Bandwidth doesn't get in my way of switching roles. If I play as a logi and set a bunch of uplinks, I can switch to an assault when I feel my team is doing alright enough, and still keep 2 of those uplinks active (an assault can support 2 uplinks). Often the value of the equipment deployed is outweighed by the value of the role you're switching to, so don't worry so much about losing some equipment, and just switch roles if you really feel you need to. Some people in the forums are saying that people should be limited to playing only one role. That is what this thread is about. If that's the case, I don't see the point of this thread because that would NEVER happen. Its extremely unpopular, it would require so much changes to the game's progression and fitting system, it would require SP refunds, and it would mean a lot of people would run out of things to spend SP on.
Please link those supposed comments and threads where the "despots" are asking for players to be locked in a single role. I'm having trouble believing you.
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Clone D
Grundstein Automation
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Posted - 2014.12.28 23:00:00 -
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gustavo acosta wrote:Clone D wrote: Some people in the forums are saying that people should be limited to playing only one role. That is what this thread is about.
Who says that? And on what subjects? Here is one of a few examples I have seen recently:
LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:Alot of the community had the mentality that "you pick a role and you stick to it". Im looking forward to seeing this mentality spread out to more classes. No more using scout speed and invisibility to get to a depot and switch to a heavy. No more assaults switching to dual swarm commando. In the New Year, these are some changes I intend to push hard for.
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Timtron Victory
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.12.28 23:02:00 -
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I am liking the whole bandwidth idea. I was defending an objective myself and tried to drop repair nanohives and switch to a heavy but the nanohives disappeared. I actually had to play smart and didnt "cheat", it makes it impossible for one player to defend an objective against an army of players which is a superb idea. If only CCP can fix redline sniping I would love this game.
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
685
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Posted - 2014.12.28 23:17:00 -
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Clone D wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Bandwidth doesn't get in my way of switching roles. If I play as a logi and set a bunch of uplinks, I can switch to an assault when I feel my team is doing alright enough, and still keep 2 of those uplinks active (an assault can support 2 uplinks). Often the value of the equipment deployed is outweighed by the value of the role you're switching to, so don't worry so much about losing some equipment, and just switch roles if you really feel you need to. Some people in the forums are saying that people should be limited to playing only one role. That is what this thread is about.
I agree bandwidth is the worst addition ever!
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Chimichanga66605
Vader's Taco Shack
270
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Posted - 2014.12.28 23:21:00 -
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This is why I got 5 PRO suits & 2 ADV. Variety is the spice of life. Oh, I have yet to be affected by bandwidth. Not really sure what peoples' problems are with it, seems fine to me.
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gustavo acosta
Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance
635
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Posted - 2014.12.28 23:43:00 -
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When someone says to stick to one role it generally means to get good at one role before branching off into other suits/roles. The guy who did want to force people into one role does not reflect the community as far as I can see.
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LAVALLOIS Nash
QcGOLD
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Posted - 2014.12.29 00:16:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
Humans are rarely if ever competent.
Band width only affects one role and all it does is suggest if you want to be able to use the benefits of that role you need to keep using it.
You cannot swap out of being a heavy but keep your Heavy Machine Gun. You cannot swap out of scout and keep your Cloak and bonuses, nor can you swap out of Assault and have your magazine or heat build up bonuses.
If you want the benefits of Logistical suit bandwidth you need to remain in a Logisitcs role on the field until your role is complete or you die.
You arent comparing it properly though. The logi role is a premeptive role, the other roles are more reactive. The equipment i put out is all passive, and it might only be useful minutes from now. It might get destroyed, ect.
When someone puts on a cloak scout and runs to a depot, then switches to an HMG, they have benefited from the role without being a user of it. If someone wanted to rush a point with an HMG, they should have spawned with one and got there. Someone who switches to a double swarm commando just to take out a dropship and then switches back to their assault is also doing the same thing.
No one else has to be dedicated HMG, or dedicated scout, or dedicated AV. Yet I have to be dedicated logi and other non logi suits can still deploy equipment. Thats the problem here. If i have to be locked to a role because "logis should stay logis", why should an assault get instant smashing AV power for a few seconds and then back to assault? Why can a proto assault put out as much equipment as a standard logi? This needs a balance rework.
It wasnt my idea to lock people to one role. But since folks like you want to see that happen, it should happen consistently. If I have to make sacrifices in the name of role purity, so should you.
Clone D wrote: Some people in the forums are saying that people should be limited to playing only one role. That is what this thread is about.
Who says that? And on what subjects? [/quote] Here is one of a few examples I have seen recently:
LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:Alot of the community had the mentality that "you pick a role and you stick to it". Im looking forward to seeing this mentality spread out to more classes. No more using scout speed and invisibility to get to a depot and switch to a heavy. No more assaults switching to dual swarm commando. In the New Year, these are some changes I intend to push hard for. [/quote]
The reason i said that is because people who benefit from multiple roles still can, but my role has been nerfed. i feel that if everyone has to share a similar pain, it would wake people up as to the hypocrisy of one role being locked but not of another.
If you made this entire thread because of that comment, thats unfortunate, as I hate the limitations that the bandwidth system has placed on me. |
Clone D
Grundstein Automation
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Posted - 2014.12.29 01:03:00 -
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LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:If you made this entire thread because of that comment...
No, bro. I have read other comments of players saying that they want to lock players into a single role as well. Just trying to stamp out the fire before it starts.
Knowing CCP, a few comments like this can turn into v1.11 real fast.
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ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game RUST415
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Posted - 2014.12.29 01:10:00 -
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loads of equipment used belongs to the logi not to every other role. if you want to change role do it. but you are not going to keep your previously role aswell.
people are not talking about forcing people to play only 1 role. they are talking about making sure people who play a role don't get to play other roles at the same time which is exactly what we used to have before bandwidth. before bandwidth anyone including vehicle users and heavies could be a logistics without fielding the suit at all or by changing out of it just by spamming all their equipment. this was wrong and to me is 1 player playing 2 roles. all bandwidth has done is ensured players only play one role at a time. they are not intending for players to only ever be able to play a single role on the battlefield.
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.29 01:38:00 -
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Clone D wrote:LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:If you made this entire thread because of that comment... No, bro. I have read other comments of players saying that they want to lock players into a single role as well. Just trying to stamp out the fire before it starts. Knowing CCP, a few comments like this can turn into v1.11 real fast. I agree with you. I've seen far too many peeps who want to lock peeps into roles and it bothers the hell out of me.
It's more worrisome and soul-destroying than the tiericide faction, imo.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1601
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Posted - 2014.12.29 01:40:00 -
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LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:
The reason i said that is because people who benefit from multiple roles still can, but my role has been nerfed. i feel that if everyone has to share a similar pain, it would wake people up as to the hypocrisy of one role being locked but not of another.
If you made this entire thread because of that comment, thats unfortunate, as I hate the limitations that the bandwidth system has placed on me.
I understood where you were coming from and I believe so did Clone D and I believe that we three are in agreement about this topic .
You mentioned what he quoted in one of his posts but there are people who love the idea of a logi being " locked " into there role .
I for one can agree that this should be across the board then , all roles should function this way and if someone is in a scout suit and they see the enemy coming , they decide to switch suits to a heavy to counter , then that heavy suit should start with the scouts HP's and same for any other role or suit .
This should be the standard since it's basically only regulated to logistics where one can only place a certain amount of materials in play , the same should be for everyone .
Lock into one role it should be for all , not just logistics .
If your in a suit with a small amount of HP's and switch at a depot to confront an encounter then they should start with the previous suits HP's . If your in a larger HP suit and switch then you should have full health if you haven't taken on any damage .
This might be stretching it but since were on this topic , I would rather NO ONE should be able to switch suits at a storage depot , they remain in the suit that they choose until they die or suicide .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
1601
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Posted - 2014.12.29 01:42:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote: I agree with you. I've seen far too many peeps who want to lock peeps into roles and it bothers the hell out of me.
It's more worrisome and soul-destroying than the tiericide faction, imo.
Agreed .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Operative 1174 Uuali
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
192
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Posted - 2014.12.29 01:51:00 -
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TL:DR but,
You can create multiple playstation accounts and then have separate DUST accounts. I have four accounts with my main sniper/ADS/infantry character then a Cal tank, Gal tank, Cal Assault/logi and Amarr gear characters.
What's the problem? Well, other than proto vet players being pitted against newer, less versatile players.
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robin williams' ghost
whisky tango foxtrot sir
380
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Posted - 2014.12.29 02:13:00 -
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I'm one of those guys who will tell you to pick a role and stick with it. What is more effective in battle? Someone who is full proto in a single role who can do their job effectively, or someone who has a little of everything but isn't good at any of them? The answer should be obvious. Sure, once you get a specific role maxed out you can spread out to another role then another and so on, but I've seen too many people that think having every weapon and every suit early on will make them better and it is so not true. So I will continue to tell people they should stick with one role until they are proficient in it.
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Meee One
Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki
1424
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Posted - 2014.12.29 06:07:00 -
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Clone D wrote:I have seen forum entries that speak to forcing people to pick one role and stick to it.
This frightens me in a n.a.z.i kind of way.
1. There is not enough team level communication prior to a match in order to designate how many of each role will be played. For instance, I wouldn't want to end up on a team with ten snipers, five logis and one assault. Allowing players to change roles during a match allows a team to naturally balance itself in accordance with the needs particular to that battle. If a needed role is absent, someone should be able to change into that role in order to support the team.
2. There are various situations where multiple roles are needed. Sometimes, only one soldier is left behind to defend an objective. That soldier may want to lay some proxies and then change into a dropsuit more conducive to a gunfight. There is nothing inherently or philosophically wrong with that. Only highly regimented and scary tyrants want to take away the individual's right to self expression in multiple facets.
3. Humans have what is called need for competence, which essentially means that when you master one skill, then you GET BORED if you don't progress to mastering another skill. If you force people to just play one role in a match, or all of the time, then you will effectively create a BORING game. Thanks for making life mundane.
Bandwidth has already made the game much more boring already.
Please don't force us to play one role, you controlling despots. 10/10 Lol
Good one OP. You almost had me,right up until i figured out you were complaining your assault/scout can't deploy as much as my logistics.
No one is 'forcing' you or anyone else to stay as logistics. You have just gotten so stuck in your ways that changing inconveniences you,so you complain.
You are the one that is forcing you to stay in a logistics suit.
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Kuruld Sengar
Kuruld Galain
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Posted - 2014.12.29 06:30:00 -
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Sequal's Back wrote:LUGMOS wrote:Nobody forces you...
You could always switch to Assault during the match. The team and you probably won't like spawning at the MCC every time you die though... Which means that you are forced to stay as a logi.. nice.. Forced? You are implying that the average player cares about the success of their teammates? Hell no, I'm in it for me |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.12.29 06:38:00 -
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Bandwidth is not forcing you to stay one role.
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Coincidental Jones
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.29 09:57:00 -
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I don't get the "locked in" logo mentality. If I run Logo, I drop a couple of Uplinks, use my Rep Tool and Needle to keep my squad running, and have some Hives in reserve. By the time my squad's needing ammo, one of my links is probably either exhausted or destroyed anyway.
And if they're not, it's because my team doesn't need both of my uplinks running.
Plus, this system lets me hot-swap at a depot, or change to a more directly offensive suit without too much worry. |
SirManBoy
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
728
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Posted - 2014.12.29 10:55:00 -
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Clone D wrote:
Bandwidth has already made the game much more boring already.
Please don't force us to play one role, you controlling despots.
I am having the total opposite experience. Bandwidth has made playing logi amazing again. I am once again being rewarded for my dedication to my role and it feels great.
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Clone D
Grundstein Automation
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Posted - 2014.12.29 11:39:00 -
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Meee One wrote:10/10 Lol Good one OP. You almost had me,right up until i figured out you were complaining your assault/scout can't deploy as much as my logistics. No one is 'forcing' you or anyone else to stay as logistics. You have just gotten so stuck in your ways that changing inconveniences you,so you complain. You are the one that is forcing you to stay in a logistics suit.
I added this to the OP:
I AM NOT SAYING THAT BANDWIDTH FORCES US TO PLAY ONE ROLE. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PUSH FOR OUR BEING FORCED TO PLAY ONE ROLE.
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NextDark Knight
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.29 13:07:00 -
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I haven't put as much game time is as I would like.. but I can tell you that 80% of the time I'm put on a losing team with the new bandwidth changes.
Matches are defiantly one sided now and if there is going to be a flip of power you see it coming and there is no surprise.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
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Posted - 2014.12.29 13:23:00 -
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NextDark Knight wrote:But I can tell you that 80% of the time I'm put on a losing team with the new bandwidth changes. Are you solo queuing? If so, that's why. Stop solo queuing and you will start winning matches.
My advice to you, playa...
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