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Clone D
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Posted - 2014.12.28 22:31:00 -
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I have seen forum entries that speak to forcing people to pick one role and stick to it.
This frightens me in a n.a.z.i kind of way.
1. There is not enough team level communication prior to a match in order to designate how many of each role will be played. For instance, I wouldn't want to end up on a team with ten snipers, five logis and one assault. Allowing players to change roles during a match allows a team to naturally balance itself in accordance with the needs particular to that battle. If a needed role is absent, someone should be able to change into that role in order to support the team.
2. There are various situations where multiple roles are needed. Sometimes, only one soldier is left behind to defend an objective. That soldier may want to lay some proxies and then change into a dropsuit more conducive to a gunfight. There is nothing inherently or philosophically wrong with that. Only highly regimented and scary tyrants want to take away the individual's right to self expression in multiple facets.
3. Humans have what is called need for competence, which essentially means that when you master one skill, then you GET BORED if you don't progress to mastering another skill. If you force people to just play one role in a match, or all of the time, then you will effectively create a BORING game. Thanks for making life mundane.
Bandwidth has already made the game much more boring already.
Please don't force us to play one role, you controlling despots.
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Posted - 2014.12.28 22:51:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Bandwidth doesn't get in my way of switching roles. If I play as a logi and set a bunch of uplinks, I can switch to an assault when I feel my team is doing alright enough, and still keep 2 of those uplinks active (an assault can support 2 uplinks). Often the value of the equipment deployed is outweighed by the value of the role you're switching to, so don't worry so much about losing some equipment, and just switch roles if you really feel you need to.
Some people in the forums are saying that people should be limited to playing only one role. That is what this thread is about.
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Clone D
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Posted - 2014.12.28 23:00:00 -
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gustavo acosta wrote:Clone D wrote: Some people in the forums are saying that people should be limited to playing only one role. That is what this thread is about.
Who says that? And on what subjects? Here is one of a few examples I have seen recently:
LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:Alot of the community had the mentality that "you pick a role and you stick to it". Im looking forward to seeing this mentality spread out to more classes. No more using scout speed and invisibility to get to a depot and switch to a heavy. No more assaults switching to dual swarm commando. In the New Year, these are some changes I intend to push hard for.
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Posted - 2014.12.29 01:03:00 -
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LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:If you made this entire thread because of that comment...
No, bro. I have read other comments of players saying that they want to lock players into a single role as well. Just trying to stamp out the fire before it starts.
Knowing CCP, a few comments like this can turn into v1.11 real fast.
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Posted - 2014.12.29 11:39:00 -
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Meee One wrote:10/10 Lol Good one OP. You almost had me,right up until i figured out you were complaining your assault/scout can't deploy as much as my logistics. No one is 'forcing' you or anyone else to stay as logistics. You have just gotten so stuck in your ways that changing inconveniences you,so you complain. You are the one that is forcing you to stay in a logistics suit.
I added this to the OP:
I AM NOT SAYING THAT BANDWIDTH FORCES US TO PLAY ONE ROLE. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PUSH FOR OUR BEING FORCED TO PLAY ONE ROLE.
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Posted - 2014.12.29 18:14:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Wow, this thread.
Bandwidth doesn't stop you from changing your roles, it just stops you from WP whoring via playing multiple roles at one time. You are welcome to change to assault at any time during the match, but you have to be assault if you are going to be assault, not assault plus all of the equipment you laid down as logistics, ya dig?
This thread was not intended to become a bandwidth discussion. It was meant to argue against being forced to play only one role, either one role per match, or one role all of the time period. There are some people saying that you shouldn't be able to change roles during a match, or that there should be consequences if you do.
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Posted - 2014.12.30 04:31:00 -
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voidfaction wrote:How are they sacrificing cpu/pg when they drop there equipment then switch to a scanner/repair/injector or no equipment fitting while the uplinks/hives dropped before keep working? They are getting the benefits of the equipment without the cpu/pg sacrifice. Logi can do the same thing. start in full uplink/hive/proximity fitting and drop all equipment then switch to a 2x scanners/repair/injector fitting and have tons of equipment on the field while not having to sacrifice nothing with the benefits of 4 different equipment. Its not just a assault and scout getting benefits of eq after switching.
Yes, logis are ten fold more touristy than any other role now. They just wanted exclusive rights to WP w horing.
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Posted - 2014.12.31 05:23:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:People are fighting over bits and pieces of WP. The entire display is rather despicable.
WPs are the most material incentive of the game, as they directly affect SP and character development. Don't we all wish we could develop our characters faster? Of course there is a WP tug of war.
Within our own teams we compete with each other for WP, everyone racing to beat the next team mate to the kill, and encouraging shady team play, like letting another person put forth a lot of effort and then sweeping in for the WP right at the end. WPs encourage back stabbing within the team, causing distrust. WPs encourage w horing and imbalance of roles within the team. Ever been on that team where everybody wants to be an uplink w hore?
WPs drive our behavior. If you ever find a reprehensible behavior occurring on the battlefield, look for the WP incentive.
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Posted - 2014.12.31 20:54:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:[...] then you are cheating the game, since it conflicts with the game designer's intentions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxi-IUnCN_8
If CCP intended for the game to work in a particular way, then they should have put controls in place to ensure that the game works that way.
There is no cheating; only what a man can do and what a man can't do.
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Posted - 2014.12.31 23:09:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Clone D wrote:Logi Bro wrote:[...] then you are cheating the game, since it conflicts with the game designer's intentions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxi-IUnCN_8If CCP intended for the game to work in a particular way, then they should have put controls in place to ensure that the game works that way. There is no cheating; only what a man can do and what a man can't do. You would think so, wouldn't you? And yet we had the ability to recover all of our health by switching our fits at a supply depot for years, and CCP only just recently fixed it. God-tanks. Grenade spam. Slayer logi's. Swarm launchers that locked on to people. All were things that you were able to do, but CCP made changes to the game to prevent you from doing them, since you either weren't supposed to do it, or you were doing it too well.In a game like this, where updates and constant and never-ending, there are most certainly cheats and exploits. As another example: I don't play EvE, but I believe I have heard that you can be permanently banned from the game for evading Concord, since you aren't meant to be able to do it.
Sorry, I didn't know that you expected a response to this Logi Bro. I can respect your position that you hold a higher set of ideals; a code of ethics that you nobly live by. That shows integrity, an immeasurable virtue. I have my own as well. But that's the thing. If your conscience is clear and SirManBoy's conscience is clear, then all you have is a disagreement. It doesn't mean that one person is right or wrong. All that matters is what you are willing to do. Kudos to you for standing up for your opinion.
I am guessing that your conscience is not clear, since you are trying to convince someone else that they are cheating and that they should apply your standards to their system of values. I hope that you can come to terms with the fact that other people may not consider a behavior cheating just because you do.
With respect, D.
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